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  1. 7 points
    bootstrap

    I Look Back Now and Wonder

    I wasn't sure where to put this, so the powers that be can move it if they see fit. I put it here for anyone who is just starting out and wondering what it really takes to become part of that elite club of profitable traders. I lurk on several trading forums. I join a few and make a few posts. One thing that I rarely see is the painful path one took to becoming successful. So for all you beginners here is what becoming successful took. For my fellow brethren that are already in the club have a good laugh. The markets had always lured me as a kid. I would read the paper and make predictions. Sometimes they were right; sometimes not. Then one day I got that famous commodity-trading flyer, sent my money off and took the plunge. My first stab at trading was commodities and I started with $5k in 1991. I was using the strategy as outlined by the guru. The account was gone within a few months. Well that didn’t work. I thought, people do this everyday and make money why not me. So off to the library. I read every book the Memphis library had on trading and investing. I paper traded the strategies I found while I built my bankroll back up. I learned exits, set-ups, position, expectancy, market psychology, and portfolio management. I soon realized that I was reading the same thing over and over no matter which book I checked out. Time to build my strategy. I am ready to do this. I bought a new computer, Metastock Pro 6.0, and opened an account with $30k. Its 1995, and this is my shot. By 1997 I was toast again. The family life went to hell in a hand basket, and I thought I could trade through the difficult times. The result was an account with a balance of $2500. Back to the drawing board. Took care of the personal stuff. Lived like a monk raising capital. Worked nights and watched the market during the day. Took a second job on the weekends to raise more money. Then one day out of the blue, the little red and green candles started to make sense. I saw patterns develop over and over in the same spots. I placed a trade and made a profit. But I had done this before. I removed the MACD from my charts. Placed another trade and made a profit. Maybe I am on to something. Removed the channel indicator that I stumbled across. I could still see the action and new what the MACD was doing and where the action was in the channel without them even being on the chart. I even stopped drawing trend lines. It was just me and the screen. I planned every trade. I knew exactly when, where, and why I entered and exited. I was patient. I became a predator. Lurking and waiting. I took every shot the market gave me. If it started to go wrong, I got out quick and waited. If the market did not give me an opening, oh well. There is always tomorrow. By the fall of 1999, I was consistently profitable and have been ever since. For those that are waiting for the sales pitch, there isn’t one. For those that are waiting for me to expose some great secret, well there isn’t one of those either. What I will give you are a few simple pointers that I learned the hard way. And the sad part is, most will stilll learn these the hardway. 1)Take everything you read with a grain of salt. That includes this post. 2)Never pay for a system. It is just not that easy. 3)If something comes up in your life that is distracting, stop trading. 4)Plan every aspect of your trade down to the smallest detail, and plan for every possible outcome. 5)Develop your own strategy. Don’t let someone tell you that you can’t trade a simple moving average if you truly believe you can. 6)Test the strategy in the market that you will be trading. If you like the results, trade it in another totally unrelated market and see if it still holds up. 7)Paper trading is ok, but there is nothing that truly tests the strategy like hard earned cash. 8)You will have to make sacrifices in order to make it. I still do. In the middle of my learning period I was working 18 hours a day during the week and 12 on the weekend. 9)You are responsible for everything when it comes to trading. That includes stop running, bad fills, limit moves, your PC crashing. I mean everything. See #4 10)And last but probably most important, don’t be afraid of failure. Just do like Edison and go, “Well that didn’t work”. Good trading to you all.
  2. 3 points
    LindsayBev

    Best Candlestick Book / PDF??

    Donald, here is the pdf version of the book, if you are interested. While a bit "salesman-like" in its approach (all of what he claims cannot possibly be true or it would be the Holy Grail), it was packed full with pictures, commentary and helpful information. Enjoy. Profitable_Candlestick_Trading-HERE.pdf
  3. 3 points
    rangerdoc

    Wyckoff Resources

    I'm not one to make a habit of bumping old threads, but based on earlier discussion, this is clearly the best place to post a link to the original Wyckoff course: The Richard D Wyckoff Method of Trading and Investing in Stocks: A Course of Instruction in Stock Market Science and Technique. Wyckoff - Course.pdf
  4. 2 points
    bootstrap

    Why Screen Time Is Important

    Here is something that should get pretty lively.. Since everyone keeps telling you that screen time is important, there has to be something to it. But nobody is telling you what you should be looking for. What is it going to teach you? There has to be something that those who do this for a living see that you don’t. Well there is. And just like the magician that exposed the secrets to magic tricks on national TV, I am going to tell you what we see. But before I do remember one thing. Take everything you read in a forum or book, or hear from a guru or in a seminar with a grain of salt. Question everything. Only when you prove it to yourself, does it become the rule. What I am about to share can be found on thousands of sites and in countless books. If you have done any research at all, you have come across Dr. Elder’s triple screen, or some permutation of it. You understand the principles behind using multiple frames of reference. What has most likely not been explained to you is why it works or how to apply it correctly. In most cases you are only given a single example. Single example you say? Yes, when most first stumble across using multiple time frames, they follow the rules of: Use the upper time frame to identify the trend, the middle time frame for the set-up, and the lowest time frame to enter. If by chance you are not familiar with the triple screen just goggle “triple screen +elder”. Trading instruments exhibt three different types of market action in any given frame of reference. You use multiple frames of reference (i.e. Time or ticks) to identify the current market environment. These markets are: Trending, Trading, and Volatile. Why screen time is so important is that all instruments do not exhibit the characteristics of Trending in the upper time frame, Trading in the middle, and Volatile in the lower at all times. They can be in any one of the following combinations at any given time: Trending/Trading/Volatile Trending/Volatile/Trading Trading/Volatile/Trending Trading/Trending/Volatile Volatile/Trending/Trading Volatile/Trading/Trending Or any one of 84 possible market combinations if you consider Volatile/Volatile/Volatile. Like the major pairs in Forex, the combinations I listed are what I consider the major market combinations. The elusive secret that you are looking for, and what screen time teaches you, is to identify which market combination you are in and then how to trade what you see. Or better yet, when to stay on the sidelines. Each combination requires a different strategy, and some may not be tradeable at all. If you are trading across a broad range of instruments, you only need to master one. The fewer instruments you trade, the more market combinations you may have to learn. But you have to learn them one at a time and only add the next one once the first is mastered. But you ask what about Trending/Trending/Trading? Or how about Volatile/Volatile/Volatile? Or if I use Weekly/Daily/Hourly I get Trending/Trading/Volatile but if I use Daily/Hourly/Min I get Trading/Volatile/Trending. One step at a time grasshopper. One step at a time. As I mentioned there are 84 possible combinations. Multiply this across thousands of instruments and countless frames of reference, and I hope you get the picture. You do not have to learn them all. You only have to learn the few that fit you, your chosen instrument and frames of reference. Find the market combinations that are most prevalent and learn to trade only those. This is why it takes screen time to learn to do this, and why each trader is different. It is also why three traders in the same instrument will be doing something different. Trader A will scalp, trader B will be a buyer, and trader C will be seller, and they all make money. They are using different frames of reference and therefore see a different market
  5. 2 points
    To become a full time traders, it will take years. Full time trader is smiliar to becoming a lawyer, Doctors, etc. The problem is many people believe day trading es is "get rich quick." If it takes 5 yrs to become a doctor, it will take 5 yrs to become a full time trader. I have no clue why people believe they can become a full time trader less than 1 yr. If that is true, why does it take a long time to become a doctor, lawyer, etc. According to the Gov report, 97% of the people lose trading in the futures market. One of the reason they lose is, they failed to understand trading futures involves substantial risk and only risk capital should be used. All brokerages and few trading school websites have those risk disclaimer. But for some reason, most people FAILED or ignore the risk disclaimer. For those who are a successful full time traders took them yrs to get there. Plus, they fully understood that trading es is NOT A GET RICH QUICK and trading futures involves SUBSTANTIAL RISK!!!!!! hope this help
  6. 2 points
    DbPhoenix

    Trading The Wyckoff Way

    Put simply, support is the price at which those who have enough money to make a difference are willing to show their support by retarding, halting, and reversing the decline by buying. Resistance is the price at which those who have enough money to make a difference attempt to retard, halt, and reverse a rise by selling. Whether one calls this money professional or big or smart or institutional or crooked or manipulative or (fill in the blank) is irrelevant. If repeated attempts to sell below this support level are met by buying which is sufficient to turn price back, these little reversals will eventually form a line, or zone. Ditto with resistance. A swing high or low represents a point at which traders are no longer able to find trades. Whether that point represents important support or resistance will be seen the next time traders push price in that direction. But everyone knows this point, even if they aren't following a chart. It exists independently of the trader and his lines and charts and indicators and displays. It is the point beyond which price could not go. Hence its importance, both to those who want to see price move higher and those who don't. The first two posts to this thread address these matters, as do others here and there. However, finding S&R in real charts in real time takes more than just a couple of posts. But one must understand the nature of support -- and resistance -- itself before he begins to look for it. Otherwise, he will find what he thinks are S&R in some very peculiar places. Before coming to any conclusions about what “works” or “doesn’t work”, and thus does or does not provide an edge, one ought to keep in mind that a given event -- such as price seemingly finding support or resistance at a trendline (or moving average, candlestick, Pivot Point, Fib level or whatever) -- may be only incidental to what is truly providing that support or resistance. A fundamental misunderstanding of how "indicators" are calculated and what they're supposed to do can lead to all sorts of off-task behavior. We think we see the indicators indicating something, or not, and believe we have made an important discovery. We then devote our efforts to improving the hit rate and the probability of whatever it is we think the indicator is indicating when our efforts ought to be focused on determining whether or not the indicator is actually indicating what we think it's indicating. In most if not all cases, it isn't. Consider the virgin being tossed into the volcano: sometimes it results in a great crop, sometimes it doesn't. Maybe tossing her in earlier or later will change the probability of a healthy crop. Maybe two virgins are better than one. Maybe six. Maybe tall virgins are more effective than short ones. And surely age is important. But does the robustness of the crop really have anything to do with tossing the virgin into the volcano in the first place? The money under the pillow is not evidence of the existence of the tooth fairy, and spring will arrive regardless of whether the virgin is tossed into the volcano or not. (Db)
  7. 1 point
    Hi Folks, I thought it would be interesting if we had a thread where we could all post charts of potential price moves in real time. These do not have to be actual trades you are taking. The purpose would be for us to learn from one another how to recognize these opportunities in real time. Therefore, when you post a chart, be sure to clearly state the direction in which you anticipate price to move, and the reason you are interpreting price action in that manner. This is not a thread for secrets, show-offs, or salespeople selling systems. I'll start off with the GBPUSD here soon after the markets have reopened for trading this Sunday evening. Looks like a potential short trade if there is a break of 1.6421 (For the record, I am not trading this). The first red arrow would have been a nice short entry as the Cable put in a 1-2-3 top per Trader Vic (easy to see after the fact). The second red arrow swas a second chance short entry on the retest of the break of the "2" point on that 1-2-3 top (also easy to see in hindsight). The third red arrow is the current market as price is trying to find support. If that support does not hold, a test of 1.6389 - 1.6406 would be next. I have some family time now, so I'll check in later and update the chart. Best Wishes, Thales
  8. 1 point
    Investing in Forex is not a game, it is something serious and study, experience, patience and a lot of discipline. It can be a very profitable business if you are careful and never get greedy.
  9. 1 point
    alexa-moore

    Forex signals

    The forex market is like boxing, if you train well and are good you can earn a lot of money and have free time. But if you go there without training you will be very bad, places to invest there are many, and while they are regulated you will not have fraud problems, however even if you have the best broker in the world if you do not know how to analyze markets, you will hardly avoid losing your money.
  10. 1 point
    landorra

    Best Forex Broker?

    The most important aspect by far is the regulation backing that broker. I prefer a more expensive but decently regulated broker than a cheaper one in Belize/Cyprus/other places like that.
  11. 1 point
    zdo

    ,,,just Sayin...

    Reflexivity So let’s go ‘beyond’ ... Yet if you review his trades, including normal trades and his outlier ‘country killer’ trades, and dig a little bit, rather than developing a knack at ‘narrative trading’ it turns out in each instance he had agents providing inside knowledge previous to the emergence of the situation, and he then spent considerable resources buying influence to manipulate each situation to the trade’s advantage. Rich and famous, he “felt obligated” to write books about it, but (What I’m just sayin’ is) - he is lying in his books. If some permutation of the concepts have not already occurred to someone engaging in narrative trading, the term and concepts of Reflexivity may help one conceptualize narrative trading better and maybe even help to participate more fully in the middle of moves... but they will not help in (instigating) and participating at the beginning... or in pressing and assuring that the outcomes go to extremes ... and the painful truth is many trend traders go broke 'successfully' participating in the middle of moves.
  12. 1 point
    Hello traders, I am interested in order flow trading and I will post some trades and predictions, some articles and ideology of a bit different understanding how price moves and why. May be this forum will be the right place. So, for the start I have couple of charts of recent trade on oil. Also I did some comparison of two different software. Would be great to meet some traders who use order flow too. Lets see. I have a lots ideas and strategies to share. I don't use any traditional indicators, because just numbers are important for me.
  13. 1 point
    zdo

    free dumb

    Are you constitutionally illiterate? https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/john_whiteheads_commentary/suspending_the_constitution_in_america_today_the_government_does_whatever_it_wants ... btw, the 'statists' started whittling away on the 'constitution'/ concept on day one... centuries ago... no surprise 'it' is in jeopardy now...
  14. 1 point
    ethanscott

    Market Volatility.

    I agree. Share prices change because of supple and demand. If more people want to buy a stock (demand) than sell it (supply), then the price moves up. Conversely, if more people wanted to sell a stock than buy it, there would be greater supply than demand, and the price would fall.
  15. 1 point
    "Moving Averages, Oscillators, Woodie Are the only indicators that i like to use for trading.
  16. 1 point
    Gamera

    Testing Times.

    Actions for the 31st. Volume seemed to be all over the place along with the PA.
  17. 1 point
    Gamera

    Testing Times.

    Actions for the 16th. Price was choppy and indecisive and I knew it at the time but tried to make something out of nothing, all trades scraped the bottom of the barrel.
  18. 1 point
    Hi, I am Nameeta Patel. I have just started trading and I hope to learn and share about it in this forum.
  19. 1 point
    WildPete

    Reading Charts in Real Time

    Stopped for the full -1R. God Bless.. WP
  20. 1 point
    WildPete

    Reading Charts in Real Time

    No trigger on long GBPUSD, pulling Buy Order. God Bless.. WP
  21. 1 point
    Scams have made headlines since the inception of the internet and with the advent of cryptocurrency, the topic is still trendy. The scam in the cryptocurrency space, both recorded and unrecorded continues to multiply on a daily basis with recent updates suggesting that about $9 million is lost daily to cryptocurrency scams. The most popular types include Ponzi schemes, fraud, phishing, initial coin offering (ICO) scams, hacking, fake application, and even theft. Although this is heartbreaking, it is believed that individuals who indulge in this awful activities both the investors and the operators of the schemes are forced to do so by their station and financial status. Cryptocurrency enthusiasts hope that the scams in the industry will be reduced to a minimal level as technology advances rapidly. However, it is clear that with the advancement scams also advances in frequency and sophistication. New strategies to scam investors are devised on a regular basis and the population of individuals who engage in these schemes grows bigger. It is believed that the scams in the cryptocurrency industry are what has set the government of many nations as well as financial institutions and experts against the notion of digital coins. In recent times, financial institutions and even search engines and social media platform have taken active steps to reduce or ban transactions and ICO ads from their platform.Financial experts have also dedicated time and resources to educate investors across the globe of the risk involved in putting cash into digital coins. Meanwhile, the number of investment in this virtual currency continues to multiply. A few financial experts have taken a different stand, stating that investors are not to blame for putting their money into something as uncertain as cryptocurrency investment, rather their impecuniosity should be seen as the culprit. It is true that a substantial proportion of the population has closed to zero investment opportunities. The heat of this situation can be safely blamed when such individual decides to invest in get-rich-quick schemes in the cryptocurrency space or even partake in such activities. For instance, Ponzi schemes promise to reward its investors with a substantial amount of money within a short period of time, which sounds exciting to individuals who tirelessly search for ways to make ends meet. It is believed that the risk in the cryptocurrency space is not half as much as that in the lotto and gambling industry, yet the government legalize it and forbid cryptocurrency transactions. Statistically, it is estimated that about half of United States adult play the lottery, with official lottery data providing that the population who participate in betting regularly is about 3 million in the Republic of Philippines. This a large number and if an average lottery player wages a dollar daily, it will amount to $365 annually, which is a guaranteed net loss. This invariably means the average amount spent on lottery by bettors in the Philippines is the annual amount spent by an individual multiplied by three million which amount to $1.095 billion lost annually. It is important to state that this figure does not include the money spent betting on illegal gambling schemes such as cockfighting and Jueteng where the figure may be quadrupled. Cryptocurrency, on the other hand, is believed to be a risky exercise that offers no guarantee or consumer protection, but this point can be safely argued otherwise. A smart and intelligent cryptocurrency investor can convert a meager capital into a substantial sum of money in the digital coins space, but no matter how disciplined a gambler is, the improbabilities in the betting industry are unimaginable. There are over 800 cryptocurrencies and this number is rapidly increasing on a daily basis. After calculating the possibility of growth and profit, an investor can easily purchase the digital coin he desires to own right from the comfort of his home with no intermediaries or involvement of any governmental or financial institutions. Cryptocurrency investment provides ample unprecedented opportunities for investors. Storing cryptos in vaults or online wallets, waiting for its value to multiply may sound like a child’s play to many financial experts but it is better than the lotto as it gives individuals a total control over their assets. Furthermore, no matter how little your investment or how risky cryptocurrency investment is, a skilled and hardworking person can make substantial returns in no time. New investment opportunities continue to evolve in the cryptocurrency space. This even gets better as digital coins are now easily procured with the development and installation of cryptocurrency automated teller machines (ATM). In March, reports states that two cryptocurrency ATMs where installed in Georgia in other to make the exchange of bitcoins and Litecoins hassle-free with support for Ethereum and Dashcoin expected in the nearest future. Many online stores now allow customers to pay for goods with digital coins with lower fees compared to the traditional currencies. In addition, a new concept known as Bitcoin IRA provides investment opportunities for retirees. It helps to create a cryptocurrency IRA investment account that can be benefited from at retirement. Retirees will only have to pay fewer fees compared to that of the traditional currency plus, they just have to sit and watch their investment grow in the cryptocurrency space. Cryptocoins are rapidly growing in terms of awareness, acceptability, and investments. It can now be used to make payments for products from local and international stores ranging from the purchase of groceries to the management of online contents as well as the procurement of digital assets. Even with the risks, high volatility, scams and hacking activities in the cryptocurrency space, it still provides innumerable investment opportunities for its users and it is believed by many cryptocurrency enthusiasts that this is just the beginning. The industries are projected to grow like wildfire over the next 15 years, providing new investment opportunities and revolutionizing financial institutions in ways that were practically impossible with the traditional currencies. Digital coins provide everybody with equal opportunity to own it and take part in the growth of the industry over a period of time.
  22. 1 point
    What I've learned so far that you really should have a record of what you've done on the market. Not necessary every position and detail, but the outcome, mindset and the triggers of your actions. This way you can examine your motivation behind following a plan or a gut feeling etc. This way you won't only have numbers, but the documentation of what was going on in your mind while you made a given trade.
  23. 1 point
    Guess I would add to have a trading journal. Which helps you have a better understanding of the other rules and help closing out emotions.
  24. 1 point
    The answer to this question is relative. I mean, it depends upon you. It depends how quickly you understand the market and the company in which you invest. If you study the life of successful traders, it is analyzed that it took them years.
  25. 1 point
    Oh you have! Glad you liked it, and good luck to us then. I have learned a lot from them so far. Be patient and keep learning!
  26. 1 point
    Losing because your analysis was wrong. Losing because your impatience, greed or fear stepped in. Those are the losses you can get rid off, by training self-discipline.
  27. 1 point
    daveyjones

    Trading for a Living

    You can't reinvest everything you make. Eventually, you will need to take money out of your trading accounts and pay bills, take your family on vacation, etc. But how often and how much should you transfer from your trading accounts to your personal accounts? Should you take out a fixed amount each month or a percentage of your earnings? What if your accounts are currently sitting lower than your opening balance? Should you wait until you move above that point before you reward yourself with a salary?
  28. 1 point
    mitsubishi

    The obscene practice

    Black=white Peoples Party= There's a few million reasons why I'm not into collectivism You see, this is why Farage is such a giant in politics. What he instigated with Brexit is difficult to measure at this point in time. It may be the beginning of the end of the one way street that is the tyranny of politics. History says the victory will be fleeting. There are certain things that you can count on continuing throughout your life time. THE BASIC RULES OF POLITICS 1- The truth is irrelevant. Therefore liars do well in politics. 2- The goal is to maintain power regardless of the human/monetary cost. Therefore socipaths do well in politics. 3- The working practices of power are to carry out the agenda at the expense of the people. Therefore pedophiles and anyone open to blackmail do well. 4- The only way to remove a political party is to replace it with another one. History has shown that this is an utterly futile process. There literally is no difference between one pedo or sociopath or KLEPTOMANIAC to another. 5- The only way to keep the people in this pointless voting charade is to allow a few human beings into the mix occasionally - just enough to give people hope that things might change. However, this is risky as we have seen with Farage. (I'm tempted to mention Trump but only because of how shocked the system was to see him win, not because he will change anything more than Obama did) 6- There is a way to defeat this endless negative cycle but most people believe somebody else will come along and do the job for them. When humanity realizes that real change begins with the individual, things wiill change. (Hence why collectivism is the go to system for all parties regardless of what they call themselves). However. the longer we leave it the more difficult the task will be -The prison is becoming ever more sophisticated at an alarming rate. 7- The trend can continue for longer than you can stay alive. There are only 2 choices at this point in time. 1- Help to change things, regardless of the personal cost. Thanks for your sevice Nigel. 2- Learn to love your slavery.
  29. 1 point
    zdo

    ,,,just Sayin...

    ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBmp8OOJ8sE Everything to the right on your chart is free information
  30. 1 point
    mitsubishi

    ,,,just Sayin...

    Apparently, the murdering psychopussy military industrial complex is suffering from 'Middle East Fatigue'. Oh dear, the poor little lambs must be bored of killing 500k innocent people and displacing 10 million others all based on a pack of never ending lies. Obviously, you won't need the host to give you a blow by blow account of how you're being treated like a 5 year old..
  31. 1 point
    zak.gibb

    Forex Trading on Smartphone / Iphone

    I've been using my iPhone 7 since the release of this phone. So I was trading for about a year now, and I never had a problem using my broker's mobile platform.
  32. 1 point
    zdo

    ,,,just Sayin...

    I love trading... just sayin’... After all these years I’m out of practice, but I’m more adept at taking money on the short side ... and I enjoy it more... just sayin’ ... ... https://www.oftwominds.com/photos2018/ikigai-chart2.jpg ... just sayin’
  33. 1 point
    bakrob99

    Trading With Market Statistics - LINKS

    I have put this thread together because I wanted a place which had all the links for J.Perl's TRADING WITH MARKET STATISTICS threads for easier access. Trading With Market Statistics I. Volume Histogram Trading With Market Statistics.II The Volume Weighted Average Price (VWAP) Trading with Market Statistics III. Basics of VWAP Trading Trading with Market Statistics. IV Standard Deviation Trading with Market Statistics V. Other Entry Points Trading with Market Statistics VI. Scaling In and Risk Tolerance Trading with Market Statistics VII. Breakout Trades at the PVP Trading with Market Statistics VIII. Counter Trend Trades in Symmetric Distributions Trading with Market Statistics IX. Scalping Trading with Market Statistics X. Position Trading Trading with Market Statistics XI. HUP
  34. 1 point
    Atti2dTrader

    Reading Charts in Real Time

    NZDUSD reached its profit target. Best, AT
  35. 1 point
    dbelov275

    Forex Trading Vs Stock Trading

    Thank you so much. it was really helpful. I think i should think about my level of risk tolerance before making a final decision.
  36. 1 point
    Patuca

    Beyond Taylor

    Capt bob i will do this just to show that i can trade bigger trends using taylor (since all here view me as a stupid scalper) AND to show that taylor trading does work. I trade all kinds of environments..ways..tactics..strategies...etc.. I do not just scalp two ticks to 4 points in the ES and NQ at a time but i do admit i like the fast action scalping 10 or 20 lots...i get bored as a chicken in a hog pen on day to day swing trading....like mr taylors (may he rest in peace) Give me a few days to get primed up and in the mood....and to determine which instruments i will trade. May be more than one..Probally will. I use to use Taylors methodolgy exclusively with stocks but gave up my stock scan program and stock data so i am not sure how well it will work with futures. I have no stock data feed nowdays. If anybody uses TC2000 for stock data could you send me a daily ascii file (export)on say 15 stocks of my choosing. I can instruct exactly how to export the data file for my purposes from tc2000 in the form i need it. Quite easy and quick to do. It really is just a small file. Just need it everyday at end of market close. I will give a list of the stocks. Takes about 5 minutes each day to export it to a file and email it to me. Who can do this? i have a certain engagement that must needs be fullfilled sept 12 thru 18th (kentucky)... But say around the 19th i will plan on doing the first mr taylor (may he rest in peace) trade. Remember now, i will be using rather large stops so do not get alarmed. I will post the basic strategy and plan for the next day before hand after the close each day. Since i use tape reading for the final entry decision (as mr taylor did ...may he rest in peace) i will post my entry as i make it. Is that agreeable to you? I also, recalculate the days under certain market conditions (my secret) so you may see that a day changes from a buy to sell day IF certain conditions take place in the market. That is, the day may start out on the open as a buy day but change to a sell day under certain conditions which I will not divulge at this point in my earthly existence. However, if there is a change in the day i will post that change and the new tactic based upon that change BEFORE i take a position. Then i will tape read and make my entry base on the new day and will post the price of my entry...stop loss...etc. Are those conditions acceptable? I may make or lose money but will most likely make money:haha: I will not divulge my taylor secrets so i hope no one wastes my time or theirs trying to wheezle it out of me....but any other general Taylor questions i will try and answer as i have time and if i am able. Just to show mr taylors method can work adapted for todays markets... I am a taylor purist except for certain adaptations.......which i will not divulge..but which can be discovered and implemented by anyone.....perhaps... Ole windbag Why? knows Taylor really well. I personally know mr. windbag...(i call him that because of his incessant yada yada yada)...but he does know all of Taylors secrets...you might could go to honduras and wheezle them out of him..just don't offer any money or he may really get good and pissed and start on his ole ...there is more to life than money sonny...speech..which will embarrass you and may take a couple of hours of your time for his lecture..leaving you filling like a naughty child who put his hand in the cookie jar.... Patuca
  37. 1 point
    Lets put it this if you're going to study the way of Gann you're better be able to put the Universe right in your head. Some are unable and quit farewell quickly because they do not have the soul for it. Infact if I ask you some of the deepest things in regards about the Universe will you be able to answer them. Can you look ahead of time and prior to the past and line it up to the present while gaining instant knowledge about the world we live in and the soul of the self. To study the way of Gann is the way of the " One"....do you know where the wind blows and whether the dew it comes from ? Do you what the Flower of Life means ? Do not use any kind of technical analysis unless you're saying they predict the future. Do not use any of any engineer or market analyst. Just do things in the seasons that come for specific things that exits in accordance to its nature. I am fighting real causes that lie deep hidden in this mind that you don't even know. To be artist knowing the beauty and the order as well the chaos.....do you know what soilder of God is in control of the order and chaos in this world ? You know who govern and hold the scales of the nations that decide if peace or war ensue ? To understand a single number and its vibration is the beginning to understanding anything on a Square of Nine Gann. Number is Vibration and it is our primodal existance in bondage to space and time in the flower of life.
  38. 1 point
    I'd strongly suggest to anyone who is serious about trading to think very carefully about whether using a mobile phone app for trading is a good idea. The interface, speed, reliabilty and security issues make it something I personally wouldn't do. If you have a position and you absolutely must leave, either make sure you have a way of getting through to your broker's execution desk quickly or close the position out before you leave.
  39. 1 point
    WHY?

    Beyond Taylor

    He is talking about the opening price as related to the buying or selling objectives. For instance: We know that the BEST and ideal buying day objective is to buy on a low made early in the session and one that penetrates the low of the previous day i.e. the SS day (previous session). That is, it makes a lower low and does so early in the session p 74 par 4; p9 par 6; p10 par5; p11 par4; p12 par 5; p29 par 6,7,8. So what he is saying here is that many times the opening price on this buying day will already be a penetration of the previous days (SS day) low. You can get a hint or indication if this is likely to happen by watching the "close" of the previous session (SSday). Was the close near the low of the day? Are prices in a downtrend or range? If downtrend and close near low then chances are the open on the next day will have already penetrated the low of the SS day or will at least make the low FIRST in the session. Now on days where there are HB's on a BUY day (higher bottoms on buying days p30 pr3&9) then the low on a buying day will NOT penetrate the low of the previous day (SS day) and the low that is made will generally be made late in the session, but not always. The hint for probable HB being made is when prices are ALREADY in a rally (uptrend) on a SS day and the close is high and strong on the SS day. That indicates the rally will continue up early in the session on the next day (Buy day) and when the decline starts it may not go down below (penetrate) the low of the previous day (SS day). HB's are usually profitable. With Taylor you can go long on a buy day low made first. Also, a HB on a buy day (generally made later in the session). And on a BV on a SELL day (the low of the sell day trades under the low of the previous day i.e. the buy day and does so early in the session like within first two hours of the open). On buy day you can short a high made first ideally on a penetration (to the upside) of the previous day (ss day). You may get a failure to penetrate in this case but if the objective is made first (in this case high made first on a buy day) then it is ok to short it. What is the hint that the shorting objective on a buy day might happen first? Simply a strong close on the previous SS day. That is an indication to be looking at a short position right off the bat after the open on the buy day. In summary, when Taylor says "Many times the opening price will be your Buying or Selling Objective on a penetration or failure to penetrate" what he is simply saying is that the objective is made on the open and one has to be johnny on the spot so to speak and take immediate action to take a postion or get out of a position without undue waiting around. For instance, prices are in a trading range. SS day closes low. The open on the next session is BELOW the low of the SSday. This then would be a penetration (to the downside) on the open. You would immediately look to go long. You might wait a few minutes but don't tarry. If no further breakout of the trading range to the downside is forthcoming then one would certainly look at taking a long position quickly because prices will probally soon start trading back up. The opening price MET the buying objective in this case. Basically, the statement you referenced applies to ANY objective (buying or selling) in the Taylor scheme of things. Another example: Taylor recommends going long on a buy day with a low made first and selling that long on the next day (sell day) once the high of the previous day (buy day) has been penetrated. So, suppose one buys the low made first on a buy day. All day long prices trade up..looks like it will close strong...so you hold your postion overnight. Next day price opens ABOVE the high of the previous day (buy day). You immediatley sell your long position because the objective (a penetration of the buy day high) was made ON THE OPENING PRINT. Of course, the final trigger isn't just that the objective has been met but the "tape" indicates entry and exits once the objective has been reached. For instance, in this last example say it opened higher than the previous day session (buy day) and I was long from the buy day I "may not" immediately sell (even though the objective has been reached) IF the tape indicates that prices will trade up more. This is why I have said that taylor has to be used with tape reading skills to be to be able to wring the best out of it. Maybe I have confused more? WHY?
  40. 1 point
    WHY?

    Beyond Taylor

    I think you may be confusing some issues here. Taylor believed the market to be manipulated over a 3 day period. During that 3 day period there would be opportunities for two type of actions. 1) Going long and selling that long position 2) Shorting and cover that short position. For instance, you can take advantage of action number 1 above on three occasions: Low made first on a buy day. In this case you sell the long on the next day or same day if you are daytrading. The next occasion for going long and selling that long was on a Day 2 of the cycle i.e. a SELL if early in the session a low is made below the low of the previous day (which would be a buy day) then you go LONG and sell that long on any good rally back to or through the low of the previous day (low of that buy day). You must complete this action the same day and not hold overnight. The third opportunity for action number 1 is on a BUY day say it doesn't trade down very well at all but near the end of the day it has held a higher low than that of the previous day (ss day) then you can take a long position. This is called buying a higher bottom on BUY day. Taylor says it is usually profitable. But generally you would hold this position until a decline starts which could be the next day or even the followoing SS day. In summary, I have just described to you 3 times which Taylor espoused taking and a long position and selling it over the course of the 3 day cycle. You can't just simply fit the actions into phases and call it a shorting phase or a long phase. Why is this? Well I have just explained that there are two long opportunies presented on the buy day and one long opportunity presented on the Sell day. You take every which one actually works out in the market. Now look at shorting opportunities. Taylor says you can short a high made first early in the session on a buy day and cover it the same day. You can short also on a SS day on a high made first and cover the same day or the next day. Look at my post #216 again. It was a buy day. It closed high on the previous day. That means that odds favored a decline in the next trading session (buy day 4-2). Therefore, I was looking to employ action # 2 above FIRST on this buy day. That is, I was looking to short on a decline made first then reverse and go long on action number one, occasion number 1, mentioned above. That is, I was anticipating the market being to be taken down first on the buy day 4-2 (why? well because it closed high on the previous day). Then I was anticipating a market reversal thus giving me an opportunity to cover my short and to take a long opportunity per occasion #1 under action number #1. Maybe I haven't confused the issue even more for you. In summary you can't just divide it up into a shorting phase and a long phase. You can go long or short on the very same BUY day. There are no shorting phases and buying phases. There are only shorting opportunties and buying opportunities and they are multiple and they occur over the three day cycle.There are no mini campaigns. There are only shorting and long opportunities over a 3 day period. Hope this explanation helps.
  41. 1 point
    WHY?

    Beyond Taylor

    Well guys I may disappear for a few weeks. I gotta do some other things and all this posting takes time and I ain't very bright so I have to peck the keyboard. I'll check back in occasionally and maybe add a post here and there. Just study the charts and posts and you will see how I trade Taylor and scalp at the same time. Why let time waste? Do both, if you think you might like scalping. Anyway, hope something was said that helps someone. Trading can be kept simple but it is hard work. I try to keep it simple for me and uncluttered but use these techiques that allow me to scalp, and trade the Taylor moves, at the same time. Here is forecast for tomm. It is a SS day in my Taylor count. I see it trading up first. It may or may not penetrate the high of 3-29 of 1404 but who knows. If it trades up early and gets close to 1404 I read the tape using techniques I gleaned from Arms, Taylor, Gann, Williams, Brooks, Droke and a few others. That would take too long to explain but in short I let the tape dictate to me my entry point. My pre-market Taylor analysis gives me a view on what may happen and helps me determine the day of the cycle. But the tape tells the real and final story so I fine tune my entries to it as I make my Taylor entries and exits. Anyway, the Taylor strategy calls for shorting any penetration of 1404 once the tape indicates it to be good to do so. My forecast give three possible highs with the highest being 1407.16. IF the price action takes place early in the session. If it doesn't make it early (like during night session or first couple hours after day session) then short when the decline begins but that will take some tape reading skills to determine that. If it makes or penetrates the high in the night session and looks like it may continue on up then I would wait and see how it goes and maybe even wait for the day session before shorting. However, if I think the high was made in the night session I will not hestitate to short in the night session. Whatever, happens if you take a short position on a SS day always be flat by the end of the day. That is Taylors rules. If there is no decline then pass on any Taylor trade for that day unless you have a mechanism that lets you recalculate the days on a the fly and work on the new info. My scalping techiques .....well most can be found in Brooks 3 volume set. One can then make minor modifications/adjustments. Anyone interested in scalping 1 to 3 points multiple times per day ....well I would strongly suggest they study Brooks well. Read his books several times. Don't buy his first book. Very hard to understand. Go to Amazon and order his new three volume set. You can also get them on PDF from Wiley Books, I believe. Mark them up. Study them for months. Next trade his concepts on a sim for 3 to 6months every day until you can get convinced. Then go live. He claims all you need to make money in the markets are in his 3 volume set. That is a bold statement. But, he is correct. However, it does take time and practice to get good at it (Brooks methodolgy). Don't think you will read the 3 vol in 3 weeks and start make money trading. You will have to study his techniques over and over and trade on a sim over and over until they become second nature. Please don't forget to use the 89 SMA and the 20 EMA if you scalp. The first is a concept I give you to help in scalping. Please use it. Don't just trust your eyeballs. Watch the relationship between the 2 MA's, their relationship to price and the distance they are from each other and from price. They tell a story about the trend and you generally want to be scalping the trend. They will give you some confidence if you feel a bit disoriented one day while scalping. If you scalp counter trend then you better be nimble as jack on your feet and don't take much. Grab what it gives you and move on. Scalping WITH trend produces much more high probability, and safe scalps. To Learn Classical Tape Reading then read and study: 1) Tom Williams (The Undeclared Secrets that Drive the Stock Market on.. the net as a pdf or buy his book Master the Market..you don't need the VSA software. Just learn the concepts) 2) Gann (the Truth of the Stock Market Tape..can be gotton at libraries) 3) Tape Reading for the 21st Century by Cliff Drokes..buy directly from his website as Amazon will charge you an arm and a leg. Cliff has it for under 20.00) 4) Brooks books for a view on what I would call classical tape reading bar by bar (thats not pub by pub for you UK people) using candlesticks. Of course, his books also to learn great scalping techiques. He also has a website ..brookspriceaction I believe it is. 5) Rollo Tape and other books by same author 6) Of course, the Livermore Remin. book is a great read and worth reading multiple times 8) ARMS Equivolume for some concepts on Volume. I think there is a ARMS website with some free downloads. One download is called Armsbookwcontents.pdf. I don't remember the site. If you can't find it with google send me a private message and I will help. 8) Finally don't forget Taylor. His book can be found at Traders press but I also like the pdf version (can be bought at Traders press and much cleaner than the free scanned version floating around on the net) and use the free PDF-Viewer program (google download and install) to mark it up and make notes on my digital copy. My hard copy is falling apart after so many years of reading and marking. All of the above are worth studing to learn the art of tape reading from a chart as opposed to tape reading on the DOM or time and sales..etc. These concepts propounded in these books will help you tremendously in developing a skill for tape reading from a chart which will in turn help you pick correct entries for Taylor trading. If you pick wrong entries for Taylor trading you will be forced to go through big drawdowns. If you get the day of the cycle wrong you won't make as much money as you could have made but Taylor will still work for you. I just can't stand big drawdowns. I do not like the pain. I grovel over a substancial loss.. paper or real. I hate losses.. paper or real. I know I have to accept them but STILL I do not like them and try my hardest to have as few as I can but when necessary I will quickly take a small loss knowing I can always get back in. And small losses don't eat at me. I have had my share of big losses in my journey and they eat at me for days and weeks on end. Tape reading from charts is a skill that takes time to develop. Give yourself 2 to 3 years to practice it well. But, you need the basic concepts planted in your brain. The books I just mentioned will give you those concepts. You have to plant them in your own brain. Nobody else can, or will, do that for you. Once they are planted there, and you have practiced them long enough, they will become second nature..like riding a bicyle. You will not have to think about every concept. Your brain will drive the car and do that for you. But that will take a few years to develop IF you work hard at it. But, the payoff is worth the effort. One more thing. Pick one or two things to trade and learn those instruments well. Do not jump around from market to market. Pick one or two as you plant the conepts in your brain and practice them. Why? Your brain will automatically learn the style of movements in those markets and will begin to correlate the concepts you are learning and apply them in that particular market. If at first, while learning the concepts, you jump from market to market it will take you much longer to learn how to apply them. After a few years you will be able to apply them in most any market. Spend alot of screen time just watching your one or two markets with nothing but 5 minute chart and the two moving averages, with volume. Please overcome any "I don't need volume to trade mindset"..Alot of that is out there on forums but please just think about it. Volume represents money..big money. Why would you want to ignore that element in your trading? Don't try to trade at first. Just get the screen time in. Hours and hours. Days and days. You are training your brain to pick out the patterns of that particular market. Then, when you begin to apply the concepts you have been studying you won't have to be conciously trying to decide if this move will continue or not. Your brain will let you know the probabilities. Get alot of just screen time in. If you work a regular job just record the sessions and watch them on weekends over and over...not even trying to apply watch you are learning. That will come later. You are just training your brain to pick out and read the movements of one or two instruments. Later you will apply what you are learning on a sim and then after that live Look guys if I can do it most anyone can. I didn't finish college. I read alot but but am not that smart. Really. Just your average bloke as you people in the UK might say. Trade well, see you around.
  42. 1 point
    phantom

    What Really Works for Technical Traders

    I promise to provide enough fodder to get you profitable if you aren't brain-dead, but I refuse to spoon feed you. Fair enough?
  43. 1 point
    GlassOnion

    38 Steps to Becoming a Trader

    Shuanna... Are you from the Planet Vulcan, where they don't have emotions? Lol...
  44. 1 point
    wind_

    Best Forex Broker?

    Check out Dukascopy (Forex trading, ECN Broker, Managed accounts, Swiss FX trading platform). They are ECN forex broker located in Swiss. Their spread is very tight, and recently they lowered their min. lot size to 1,000 (micro lot).
  45. 1 point
    WHY?

    Taylor Trading Technique

    I would like to make some comments here concerning how Taylor would have seen the price action today by Richbois count being an SS day. Finally, what he most likely would have done. Today was a failure to penetrate early in the session. However there was an immediate decline so why not short this decline?? Taylor says you have to recognize such action and trade on it even though it is a difficult trade to make many times it is very profitable. The key is knowing when to put out the short sell. This requires some tape reading skills. But in this case one would NOT short on 2-5-09. Why? First, I take a few quotes out of his book concerning failures to penetrate the objective. "In the beginning it might be well to study these failures to penetrate and the results of them before buying or short selling but you have got to recognize this action and trade on it, for while it is a most difficult ‘play’, at the same time many of the most profitable moves take place from failures to penetrate at both tops and bottoms. The failures to penetrate Buying or Selling Objectives are not exceptions to our method of trading, for a little study of the past movements of stocks and commodity futures will reveal that this action takes place approximately 40% of the time on an average, at either of these points, therefore, this movement is a very definite part of the method as a whole." "When a stock makes a high FIRST on a Selling Day with a penetration of the Buying Day High, then reacts and is selling nearer the low of the day at the close, the indications are for a lower opening on the Short Sale Day. Should the lower opening occur, after the decline the stock or future will make an attempt to rally, in most cases, and this rally will penetrate the—High of Selling Day—if the immediate trend is higher, however, should the rally fail to reach this Objective and at the top of this rally the activity dies out and the trading narrows down to a few transactions at about the same price, then begins to ‘sell off’, we would ‘put out’ a short sale on this declining trend and J-U-S-T as it starts." Quotes from p 46 The Taylor Trading Technique. Now a quote about price action on an SS day "We try to make all short sales on the high made FIRST on penetrations of—Selling Day Highs—‘This is the most favorable action for your play’—we would not ‘put out’ a short sale where the stock or future opened down and declined future, without a rally, for this action would carry the implications that rally, should it start later in the session, may cause the closing price to be up near the high of the day and this would be making the high LAST on a Short Sale Day, indicating a 46 future rally, and an up-opening but where the stock opened at the same price as the previous close and declined early in the session and then rallied higher than the opening price or for a penetration of the Selling Day High—we would ‘put out’ a short sale just as this rally began to exhaust itself after the penetration. This action is not as favorable to our trade as the above." P 39 The Taylor Trading Technique. In summary, when there was no decline followed by a rally that failed to penetrate it is best to pass by the short. While one "could" have shorted and come out ok today in many cases one would get caught in the cross currents. Thus Taylor would have probably passed by shorting today right after the open. Now taking the count as Elovemer did it was a buy day. First, some Taylor quotes from his book The Taylor Trading Technique "The Short Sale Day Low is our point to watch and we watch for it to be reached or for the price to sell under this point, since this is where we buy our long stock." p28 Since today was a buy day by Elovemer count then yesterday 2-4-09 was an SS day. It is very important to watch the close oin the SS day to judge where you will probably be buying your long at on the next day. In this case the low close on the SS day 2-04-09 indicated a further decline on the next day 2-5. So one wouold be expecting to buy probably go long on a lower low than the previous days low made on 2-4. "Now, we go back to the close of the Short Sale Day and we find that it was a ‘flat’ closing, then from this indication we expect a lower opening on the Buying Day and so far this would cause the low to be made FIRST and is a stronger indication when made early in the session that a rally would start from this low and hold the gains for a strong closing" p28 "On a Buying Day when the stock rallies from the low and the gain in points is sufficiently large, we sell out on the same day."p27 "The Buying Day—for our long stock provided the decline ends at or near this low but we can with reasonable certainty figure whether this low will be our buying ‘spot’ or if we may not expect further concessions to buy on and we get this indication from the way the stock closes on the Short Sale Day. We get this indication by watching the close and whether prices are up or down, that is down from the high of day or up from the low of day, weak or strong. Remember, we are watching the prices on a Short Sale Day trying to anticipate the coming point at which we can buy or go ‘long’" p 27 What would Taylor have done on 2-5-09 if the count said it was a buying day? First, he would have taken note of the close on the previous day (ss day) and seeing it close weak he would have expected the decline to continue on down after the open on 2-5. Therefore, he would have waited and as the tape indicated the decline was stopping he would have went long. Within an hour or so of the opening he would have been long and probably flat by the close today 2-5 with a good gain.
  46. 1 point
    Shamal

    Pure VSA

    Eiger, presume you meant "No Supply" on D & G bar rather than "No Demand"
  47. 1 point
    Soultrader

    IB Range Indicator for CQG

    A simple study for CQG plotting the 60 minute (initial balance) high/low. This works only on a day session chart. Once imported and applied to a chart, right click on the two lines > modify > and change the line to dash. Screenshot is attached. Enjoy! IB Range.pac
  48. 1 point
    DbPhoenix

    Price Action Only

    Trading by price -- and "volume" -- requires a perceptual and conceptual readjustment that many people just can't make, and many of those who can make it don't want to. But making that adjustment is somewhat like parting a veil in that doing so enables one to look at the market in a very different way, one might say on a different level. One must first accept the continuous nature of the market, the continuity of price, of transactions, of the trading activity that results in those transactions. The market exists independently of you and of whatever you're using to impose a conceptual structure. It exists independently of your charts and your indicators and your bars. It couldn't care less if you use candles or bars or plot this or that line or select a 5m bar interval or 8 or 23 or weekly or monthly or even use charts at all. Therefore, trading by price and volume, or at least doing it well, requires getting past all that and perceiving price movement and the balance between buying pressure and selling pressure independently of the medium used to manifest or illlustrate or reveal the activity. For example, the volume bar is a record of transactions, nothing more. The volume bar does not "mean" anything. It does not predict. It is not an indicator. Arriving at this particular destination seems to require travelling a tortuous route since so few are able to do it. But it's a large part of the perceptual and conceptual readjustment that I referred to earlier, i.e., one must see differently and one must create a different sense of what he sees, he must perceive differently and create a different structure based on those perceptions. As long as one believes, for example, that "big" volume must or at least should accompany "breakouts" and clings to this belief as ardently as he clings to his rosary beads or rabbit's foot or whatever, he will be unable to make this perceptual and conceptual shift. If you can work your imagination and use it to travel in time, you will have a far easier time of this than most. Imagine, for example, a brokerage office at the turn of the 20th century. All you have to go by is transaction results -- prices paid -- on a tape. No charts. No price bars. No volume bars. You are then in a position wherein you must decide whether to buy or sell based on price action and your judgment of whether buying or selling pressures are dominant. You have to judge this balance by what's happening with price, e.g., how long it stays at a particular level, how often price pokes higher, how long it stays there, the frequency of these pokes, at what point they take hold and signal a climb, the extent of the pokes, whether or not they fail and when and where, etc., all of which is the result of the balance between buying and selling pressures and the continuous changes in dominance and degree of dominance. One way of doing this using modern toys and tricks is to watch a Time and Sales window and nothing else after having turned off the bid and ask and volume. But this wouldn't do you any good unless you spent several hours at it and no one is going to do that. Another would be to plot a single bar for the day and watch it go up and down, but nobody's going to do that, either. Perhaps the least onerous exercise would be to follow a tick chart, set at one tick. Then follow it in real time. Not later, but real time. Granted this means a lot of screen time and only a handful of people are going to do it. But those few people are going to part that veil and understand the machinery at a very different level than most traders. Once this is understood, the idea of wondering -- much less worrying -- about what a particular volume bar "means" is clearly ludicrous, as is the "meaning" of a particular price bar or "candle". If it is not understood, then the trader spends and wastes a great deal of time over "okay so this volume bar is higher than that volume bar but lower than this other volume bar, and price is going up (or down or nowhere), so...".
  49. 1 point
    james_gsx

    Candlesticks and Volume

    Glad to see this finally come up. I've been very interested in combining other types of analysis along with candlesticks such as volume and MP. Heres one quick trend play that you could do using WRBs. As we know, typically a WRB is followed by an easy short to scalp, but if you use volume with the WRB then you could probably get some nice setups. 1 - As you can see we start off with a WRB, and lets say you want to go for a quick short at the exit OR wait for a candle to go short. For textbook style play let's just say we went short at the close of the spinning top that immediatelly followed. This is an ideal setup because the volume of the spinning top is nearly identical to that of the WRB. This will make it easier for some of the newbies. 2 - Two candles later we have a test of the WRB open or low. You can exit here for a quick profit or you could see that volume has been declining. We have smaller bodies and taller wicks, but the lack of volume would tell me theres no interest in demand as it is quickly shoved back down. So we could move our stop just above these wicks to protect our profits. Then we get a rise in volume, and a candle that breaks through those lows this would be our confirmation of a new trend. 3 - Now we get a hammer and volume as been slightly rising. Since there is a nearby support level we may be tempted to exit this trade and take the hammer. If we did that, we still have a nice profit and obviously the hammer would have failed. No big deal, thats life. OR we could have waited until something more meaningful to a trend appeared like a MA crossover, oscillator, or a hammer with STRONG volume. For the sake of hindsight and textbook style play let's say we waited. A few candles later we get a hammer with STRONG volume (similar or more to the WRB). That obvsiously screms that buyers are present. We happily exit the trade and go the other way for our hammer setup, and walk away with a new sum in our bank account. Now to be fair this isn't a setup where you see a spinning top after a WRB and assume you can nail near 20pt ES trade. BUT if you started with a simple 2pt play and closesly followed volume you could have turned that into a nice trade. For the sake of argument and realism, here are a few losers in the same day. Heres another play we could have used. 1 - Clearly defined hammer after a WRB and volume is very similar. 2 -Next we get a follow through WRB with strong volume. Typically I think we would have taken the hammer and a quick profit with the WRB and been happy. Or we could let volume tell us that buyers are still heavily present in the market and hold onto the trade from here. 3 - Our trade continues to move higher and we eventually test the long term MA. Knowing this is a counter trend play I think most would be disciplined to take their profits here. Just in case this doesn't happen the high volume inverted hammer would tell us the bears quickly counter attacked with equal force keeping price down. So you could take your profits at the close of this inverted hammer and still had a healthy trade. Or else you would have waited for the spinning top with low volume to tell you the move was over. So overall I'm starting to see a pattern of nice candlestick patterns following WRB with EQUAL OR MORE volume. How a trade could possibly setup. 1 - Reveral candle after WRB witih equal or more volume. If I'm not alread scalping for a quick reversal of the WRB then enter on the close of the reversal candle. 2 - Wait for a signal such as an oscillator, moving average, or another candle (with strong volume like the WRB) to exit my trade. I think this would be a trade that would have to materialize, I don't think you could just see it happen in real time and take it. But I do think it would go along with what you said earlier about taking a typical setup, and using volume expand on it and capturing a bigger move. I think this is a good start though. Once I feel more comfortable with my knowledge of MP I would love to start a thread combing candlesticks, volume, and market profile into one setup. I believe if we could blend a lot of these great analysis together we could have an extremely efficient trading plan and one that we could use to expand our careers. I also don't think volume is something that would complicate our plan, just compliment it
  50. 1 point
    Anonymous

    [VSA] Volume Spread Analysis Part I

    Welcome. There is more than one definition for No Demand. In the book the base definition is given as a narrow spread bar closing up with volume less than the previous two bars. The Trade guider definition, also in the book, is a narrow spread bar closing up on volume less than the previous two bars AND closing on the middle or low of its range. Joel Pozen would define a No Demand as simply any bar closing up with volume less than the previous two bars. Or a bar closing equal, on volume less than the previous two bars with the previous bar higher than the bar two bars ago. Still others would include any buying bar (a bar with a higher high, but not a lower low than the previous bar) that has a narrower range and with volume less than the previous two bars is No Demand. If it closes either up from or equal to the previous bar. The underlying element is volume less than the previous two bars on equal or up closes. Note if the close is down and the we have a buying bar with the close on the low, the we have a hidden Upthrust in the form of No Demand. Sorry, I don't think I have really answered your question. I guess the reason is, the question you should be asking yourself is "How am I comfortable defining No Demand within the context of market behavior and amidst the various possible elements set forth?". I have added this beautiful pic from Monday. Note the two No Demands on the right of the Dotted line. The first one obviously closes on its high and has a smaller range than the previous bar. Plus it has volume less than the previous two bars and is a buying bar. The second one has a greater range than the previous bar and closes near its low. It has volume less than the previous two bars. It is a buying bar (positional relationship), but the low closes signals no real buying going on. This is a Hidden UpThrust in the form of No Demand. TG software would NOT pick up either of these.
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