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  1. 3 points
    bootstrap

    I Look Back Now and Wonder

    I wasn't sure where to put this, so the powers that be can move it if they see fit. I put it here for anyone who is just starting out and wondering what it really takes to become part of that elite club of profitable traders. I lurk on several trading forums. I join a few and make a few posts. One thing that I rarely see is the painful path one took to becoming successful. So for all you beginners here is what becoming successful took. For my fellow brethren that are already in the club have a good laugh. The markets had always lured me as a kid. I would read the paper and make predictions. Sometimes they were right; sometimes not. Then one day I got that famous commodity-trading flyer, sent my money off and took the plunge. My first stab at trading was commodities and I started with $5k in 1991. I was using the strategy as outlined by the guru. The account was gone within a few months. Well that didn’t work. I thought, people do this everyday and make money why not me. So off to the library. I read every book the Memphis library had on trading and investing. I paper traded the strategies I found while I built my bankroll back up. I learned exits, set-ups, position, expectancy, market psychology, and portfolio management. I soon realized that I was reading the same thing over and over no matter which book I checked out. Time to build my strategy. I am ready to do this. I bought a new computer, Metastock Pro 6.0, and opened an account with $30k. Its 1995, and this is my shot. By 1997 I was toast again. The family life went to hell in a hand basket, and I thought I could trade through the difficult times. The result was an account with a balance of $2500. Back to the drawing board. Took care of the personal stuff. Lived like a monk raising capital. Worked nights and watched the market during the day. Took a second job on the weekends to raise more money. Then one day out of the blue, the little red and green candles started to make sense. I saw patterns develop over and over in the same spots. I placed a trade and made a profit. But I had done this before. I removed the MACD from my charts. Placed another trade and made a profit. Maybe I am on to something. Removed the channel indicator that I stumbled across. I could still see the action and new what the MACD was doing and where the action was in the channel without them even being on the chart. I even stopped drawing trend lines. It was just me and the screen. I planned every trade. I knew exactly when, where, and why I entered and exited. I was patient. I became a predator. Lurking and waiting. I took every shot the market gave me. If it started to go wrong, I got out quick and waited. If the market did not give me an opening, oh well. There is always tomorrow. By the fall of 1999, I was consistently profitable and have been ever since. For those that are waiting for the sales pitch, there isn’t one. For those that are waiting for me to expose some great secret, well there isn’t one of those either. What I will give you are a few simple pointers that I learned the hard way. And the sad part is, most will stilll learn these the hardway. 1)Take everything you read with a grain of salt. That includes this post. 2)Never pay for a system. It is just not that easy. 3)If something comes up in your life that is distracting, stop trading. 4)Plan every aspect of your trade down to the smallest detail, and plan for every possible outcome. 5)Develop your own strategy. Don’t let someone tell you that you can’t trade a simple moving average if you truly believe you can. 6)Test the strategy in the market that you will be trading. If you like the results, trade it in another totally unrelated market and see if it still holds up. 7)Paper trading is ok, but there is nothing that truly tests the strategy like hard earned cash. 8)You will have to make sacrifices in order to make it. I still do. In the middle of my learning period I was working 18 hours a day during the week and 12 on the weekend. 9)You are responsible for everything when it comes to trading. That includes stop running, bad fills, limit moves, your PC crashing. I mean everything. See #4 10)And last but probably most important, don’t be afraid of failure. Just do like Edison and go, “Well that didn’t work”. Good trading to you all.
  2. 3 points
    LindsayBev

    Best Candlestick Book / PDF??

    Donald, here is the pdf version of the book, if you are interested. While a bit "salesman-like" in its approach (all of what he claims cannot possibly be true or it would be the Holy Grail), it was packed full with pictures, commentary and helpful information. Enjoy. Profitable_Candlestick_Trading-HERE.pdf
  3. 3 points
    rangerdoc

    Wyckoff Resources

    I'm not one to make a habit of bumping old threads, but based on earlier discussion, this is clearly the best place to post a link to the original Wyckoff course: The Richard D Wyckoff Method of Trading and Investing in Stocks: A Course of Instruction in Stock Market Science and Technique. Wyckoff - Course.pdf
  4. 1 point
    mitsubishi

    Knowing the Direction of the Market

    NO ..............................................................
  5. 1 point
    zdo

    Gauge upcoming high volatility

    Have you looked at tweaking https://www.incrediblecharts.com/indicators/chaikin_volatility.php Basics = On charts: - statistically speaking, nothing has been found in markets that comes closer to following linear cycles than 'volatility' - statistically speaking, sideways ‘congestions’ are followed by ‘volatility’ - statistically speaking, narrowing ranges are followed by expanding ranges “statistically speaking” means these indications give no "gauge" / information about the size of next move or the risks involved... only that ‘activity’ typically follows ‘inactivity’ ie-with options, nothing (outside of astro) is reliably predictive of the variance of the next move... ie with buying options, you have to figure out a way to play all the major waves in order to be there for the outliers ie- hope you’re writing ‘insurance policies’ into screaming volatilty instead of buying them in dead volatility... who makes money ? the insurer or the bozo who buys policies left and right... took taleb years to figure that out and he’s a pretty smart cookie... sorry - off topic now.... and congestion time is due to end ... hth
  6. 1 point
    zdo

    Which indicators you like and why

    Noobies, PAn said "Indicators are absolutely worthless" To be more accurate, PAn should have posted "Indicators are absolutely worthless to me." Indicators are like any other measure or representation - worthless if you don’t know how to use them. When I first started trading I studied indicators in depth then moved on... it was not until many years later when I got into automation that indicators and learning how and WHEN to use them became not “absolutely worthless” but extremely valuable. ... PAn, somewhere a noob is in a Price Action thread trying to integrate new material. Someone like you pops up and says “Price action trading is absolutely worthless. Indicators are all I need” . Helpful? No. To really be accurate PAn should have posted nothing at all in this thread...
  7. 1 point
    Well there you go nameat. Follow that and you will trade "without bearing any loss"
  8. 1 point
    Hi, I am Nameeta Patel. I have just started trading and I hope to learn and share about it in this forum.
  9. 1 point
    MaxPastukhov

    Forex Trading Vs Stock Trading

    I invested a lot of time looking for profitable traders before getting into the niche. Something around 2-3 weeks of 12+ hours a day just to find somebody whose words I can believe enough to make any conclusions. I must say that I found profitable and believeable traders in both markets, but stock trading had much more of them. I found just 2 full-time Forex traders whose words I can believe. They don't sell any services or products, they just live from trading of their own accounts. Both of them are tired of trading. As for the stock market, there are a lot of people sharing their results publically. I found enough to make my own conclusions. There are also a lot of people who finally moved from future to stocks. It's just more profitable at the end. While Forex may seem more profitable at the very beginning becauase it's so volatile, the truth is directly opposite. Forex isn't "volatile", stocks are much more volatile by their nature. Forex gives you an illusion of volatility due to insane leverage. Taking into account average daily range of 0.1%-0.5%, you are trading purely noise. Being a software developer, I created an internal statistical analysis system to build price movement distributions. They are so close to white noise distribution you will be surprised. As for stocks, movements have clear signals in them. Yes, there is still a lot of noise when you are day trading, but just look at higher timeframes too see the difference. I would personally prefer stocks, I plan to convert my first product to stock trading simulator in the future. Forex is a good way to learn initial trading experience as long as you trade penny accounts, but I would stay away from it if I decide to get back to trading again.
  10. 1 point
    WildPete

    Reading Charts in Real Time

    Another potential Stab at the GBPUSD Long (if triggered). God Bless.. WP
  11. 1 point
    What I've learned so far that you really should have a record of what you've done on the market. Not necessary every position and detail, but the outcome, mindset and the triggers of your actions. This way you can examine your motivation behind following a plan or a gut feeling etc. This way you won't only have numbers, but the documentation of what was going on in your mind while you made a given trade.
  12. 1 point
    Gamera

    Testing Times.

    Actions for the 31st.
  13. 1 point
    daveyjones

    Trading for a Living

    You can't reinvest everything you make. Eventually, you will need to take money out of your trading accounts and pay bills, take your family on vacation, etc. But how often and how much should you transfer from your trading accounts to your personal accounts? Should you take out a fixed amount each month or a percentage of your earnings? What if your accounts are currently sitting lower than your opening balance? Should you wait until you move above that point before you reward yourself with a salary?
  14. 1 point
    zdo

    ,,,just Sayin...

    ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBmp8OOJ8sE Everything to the right on your chart is free information
  15. 1 point
    mitsubishi

    ,,,just Sayin...

    https://www.indy100.com/article/mum-daughter-beautiful-sexism-make-up-boys-girls-8327241 Seven years ago, Claire O'Reilly gave birth to her first daughter. Having raised two boys already, she thought herself an expert parent. But raising her daughter taught her an important lesson. From the start, Claire found that people treated her daughter differently to her two boys. You’re kidding! You mean there’s a difference between males and females? We can’t have that these days can we? She explained: The midwives who delivered my sons pronounced them strong, sturdy lads. But Annie — at a massive 9lb 10oz, far heavier than either of her brothers — was first called ‘beautiful’ by the midwife when she was less than a minute old. If only millions of little girls started behaving like chimpazees as well ,things could finally feel a lot more normal around here. This made Claire realise that raising a young woman to be self-confident and independent comes with a whole host of unique challenges. That’s nothing compared to the unique challenge you neo liberal fascists face in convincing the rest of us to go along with your insanity Btw will you get a sponsorship fee for mentioning ‘Lego’? Because of this, Claire has vowed never to call her daughter beautiful. Imagine if you were described as beautiful occasionally….why it would make you suicidal wouldn’t it? It would make you want to disfigure yourself so that fat ugly lesbian SJW snowflake nazis and the useful idiots behind them could feel better about themselves. Instead, she opts to shower her in compliments about her ability at sport, her kindness to animals or her dedication in practising the piano. While Claire's parenting ethos may sound extreme, the facts appear to back up her belief that girls face disproportionate pressure to look attractive from a young age. In 2016, a study by Girlguiding UK revealed that a third of seven-to-ten year olds believe that they are judged on their appearance and a quarter feel the need to be perfect. Well, based on that, let’s re-engineer humanity Girlguiding... hahahahaha. I bet 100% of them feel the need to continue life as a female. So while never complimenting girls on their looks may seem a step too far, perhaps we could all do with distributing praise more evenly. You think it ‘may seem a step too far’? But what would make you want to concede that? Coukd it be that deep down you know 2+2 will never be 5, no matter how much your masters demand it? I would have thought transgendering infants was a step too far. I would have thought removing children from da parents who object to having their children butchered under da global social engineering programme were steps that were da steps too far. I woukd have thought believing one word in this fruitcake article is true may seem like a step too far. I woud have thought describing yourself as a journalist was a step too far. I would have thought calling your 'newspaper' The 'Independent' was a step too far. Just sayin’
  16. 1 point
    Pipperidge-Farm

    Best Forex Broker?

    JFD Brokers is the one i`m using and it's fulfilling all of the requirements above. EUR/USD - 0.3 pips average spread FCA, BaFin, ACPR Registered and CySec regulated Leverage - up to x400 (default x50) Customized MetaTrader 4 and MetaTrader5 platforms with lots of trading products (MT4 -> 500+; MT5 -> 1000+) A lot of free charting and one-click trading tools package. Fast customer support Misc - negative balance protection, post trade execution reports, zero margin for hedged possitions, weekly recaps, market analyses, strategic reports and technical analyses
  17. 1 point
    mitsubishi

    ,,,just Sayin...

    Apparently, the murdering psychopussy military industrial complex is suffering from 'Middle East Fatigue'. Oh dear, the poor little lambs must be bored of killing 500k innocent people and displacing 10 million others all based on a pack of never ending lies. Obviously, you won't need the host to give you a blow by blow account of how you're being treated like a 5 year old..
  18. 1 point
    mitsubishi

    ,,,just Sayin...

    This is the near future for everyone else.Enjoy.
  19. 1 point
    mitsubishi

    ,,,just Sayin...

    Hailing the city’s infamous equal pay policies which set off long-running bin strikes as a success on Thursday, Ms Daniel said that women are now paid six per cent more than men at the council. Rather than apologise for this “gender pay gap”, councillors boasted that this showed “the way forward” for other local authorities. The staggering hypocrisy of the neo liberals' useful idiot semi moron delta minus shitheads. It's not worth your time to debate fkcheads like these. It's far more productive insulting the the crap out of them instead. Why do they mentally ill need to advertise themselves to the rest of us?... I really don't get it. http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/03/10/council-pronoun-trans-identities/ Remember, it's not the fascist neo liberal ideology that is the problem. That can easily be deconstructed. The problem is that way too many of your fellow citizens are born to be nothing more than useful idiots. Stupidity is THE growth industry. Everything else is being built around it..
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  22. 1 point
    mitsubishi

    How to Make Money on Forex

    I didn't know you did videos as well
  23. 1 point
    minoo

    Futures Day Trading Tutorial Videos

    These three videos remain very popular ones from Jeff Quinto on CME site and many have requested me to re-post the expired links in the first thread of this Post Please check below the new links for the Videos The Main Page at CME where the Booklet & Videos are Jeff Quinto's Theory of Futures Trading - CME Group Three Futures Day Trading Tutorial Videos by Jeff Quinto & CMEGroup Essential straight talk by an Veteran Trader & Mentor Developing Your Trading Strategy Theory of futures trading and provide a guide that will help you get started. Developing Your Trading Strategy - CME Group Building Your Trading Plan Insight into the way professional traders set realistic goals and track performance. Building Your Trading Plan - CME Group The Importance of Simulated Trading Simulated trading can be the key to your trading success. The Importance Of Simulated Trading - CME Group Thanks for all the appreciation and keeping this Thread Alive Enjoy Minoo
  24. 1 point
    jpennybags

    Off-topic Posts

    Gamera... Just another example of seeing things differently. Considering the lines that I've added to your chart, how may you have traded differently through the session? No need to answer the question here... it's just offered for your consideration.
  25. 1 point
    mitsubishi

    Joke of The Day!

    :rofl: This week I will mainly be sitting in front of the tv, encased up to the neck in plaster.teaching my budgie to type bile and venom on TL (how's he doing?) sucking 3 meals a day through a straw. Zdo, You may not know this but in this 'cusp' of quantum computing, inserting my name on someone else's accident report can, in a multiple universe situation, cause the fabric of time and space to bend in such a way as to cause it to actually happen to at least one version of me on the other side of the black hole that sits at the edge of our galaxy. It's unfortunate that this glitch, on this particular occasion, happened to the only version of me that I'im personally.... What the hell is that echo?....personally aware of, which means I personally:confused:... damn echo in here... will be forced to sue you for loss of trading time .... where did all those budgies come from? :doh: However, if it transpires that dozens of mitsubishis have suffered the same fate we (I) will have to (unfortunately) bankrupt you.in a class action ...
  26. 1 point
    The longer one lives, the more one realises that most people don't know what they're talking about. The longer one trades, the more one realises that most 'traders' don't know what they're talking about.. If you've traded successfully any time between March 2009 to the present day you've done really well. But you've never traded through a bear market. People who believe that 1-2 years is what it takes are kidding themselves and giving false hope to others. People who think like that won't be around to talk out of the back of their head come the next major correction or the next bear market. People who have traded 1-2 years oughta STFU and worry more about how they are gonna survive the next 1-2 years. There's a difference between making money and always being able to make money. Same as there's a difference between those who trade and those who call themselves coaches while they publicly admit to making rookie mistakes.( You know who you are and why you're on my twat list) A difference between those who trade and those who write articles full of generic useless crap advice.It's almost impossible for a real trader to write crap. A difference between those who trade and those who write articles full of generic useless crap to generate customers. The last thing most real traders want is customers. My advice to beginners is forget it. You have to be a certain type of person to succeed. Maybe consider doing it as a sideline, don't do what I did, don't let it consume your whole life unless you're that type. Don't kid yourself that you're the 'type' just 'cos you want to quit the rat race. Or because you have a high IQ or because the neighbour does it and if he can, you can. Or because you paid $6000 for a seminar.. or 100 other reasons. There's only 3 things that count- Sheer bloody minded persistence Time served The ability to become someone else when you're trading. - Hence the bullshit advice about finding a trading style that fits your personality. The only trading style that counts is one that makes money. There's a trading style for- wreckless people impatient people obstinate people people who think they're smarter than the market. people who think there's a short cut I can be impatient and obstinate at times, just not when I'm trading. I back tested my personality to see what worked and what didn't There's a price for everything and the price for trading for an income is pretty steep in terms of time- forget money, any intelligent person can get money, but you can't get the time back. Then there's the reality that nobody in your life, including your family has the slightest interest in what you do. I have a brother who resented me when I was failing and resents me even more now. Most people think the market is a casino full of crooks and people who make money by contributing nothing to society. You can't really blame them can you?. If you succeed nobody is pleased about it except you. Nobody will know what you had to go through or appreciate how difficult it was- except another trader There's a story I'm reminded of about Richie Blackmore that Jon Lord tells. They're coming out of the dressing room to play a show ( Rainbow, not Deep Purple). As they go down the corridor Lord realises he's talking to himself and he turns round to see Blackmore is having a mini breakdown " I can't stand this anymore, I just want to go home" You think I'm talking about a losing trade? I'm not even taliking about the trades. In terms of mental effort there is zero difference between a winning/losing trade. I do this 'cos I'm driven to do this, because there's nothing else I want to do. And that's a form of self imposed prison. Is there anyone in a prison who doesn't want to escape? So why don't I stop and go do something else? Because I'd only go and build another prison somewhere else. Because I'm that type, because I'm not Bob. An ex girlfriend years ago had a friend Julie and her husband Bob. "Bob works in a factory and only earns £250 a week" "Yeah, but they're happy and Bob goes home at 4pm and doesn't work weekends. I got customers, employees and 10 hour days and wondering where the next contract is coming from..." So, I'm in a much better prison now- no employees or customers..... hmmm not so bad after all.
  27. 1 point
    mangolassi

    Forex Broker

    Are you serious with this post? Name one institution that trades with MT4. MT4 is a joke that is used by beginner forex traders for two reasons: 1) it is free, and 2) it is very simple to use. Institutions that are managing large amounts of money use custom platforms that are tailored for their needs, especially if these institutions are banks trading currencies with each other. MT4 doesn't even meet the standards to be called a serious retail trading platform. Comparing MT4 to something like Sierra Chart, Multicharts, Tradestation, etc., is like comparing a plastic tricycle to a Ferrari. I am going to go ahead and call you out on this - if you really think MT4 is the "best platform" you've ever tested, you have only used MT4. Tradestation and Ninjatrader and others like Sierra Chart and Multicharts are used by a large amount of professional traders who trade various markets like futures, stocks, commodities, forex, etc. MT4 is simply used by beginner forex traders. I'm sorry, but MT4 is one of the worst trading platforms out there. You won't find any serious professional trader using MT4... if they are using MT4, they are usually a beginner still new to trading.
  28. 1 point
    In an effort to educate and stimulate some discussion, I'm going to try to put together a few steps for candlestick trading success! Step 1: Identify the candlestick 'patterns' or 'formations' There are a variety of websites and books out there talking about candlestick patterns or formations. Some sites out there with some free stuff that can at least get you started in pattern recognition. Stockcharts.com in particular has a nice section on candlesticks (click hyperlinks): Main Page Intro To Candlesticks List of Common Patterns That's a few free links from stockcharts.com. Those are pretty good for being free. Keep in mind that is not meant to be a substitute for books, videos and live seminars. As mentioned previously, I like the work of Steve Nison. So the very, very first step is to be able to look at a candle(s) and identify if there's a potential candle pattern or formation there. That's step 1. I know that seems easy, but it can take some practice, esp in real-time and esp in day-trading. I would suggest looking at some DAILY charts and just start flipping through charts of stocks to see what you can recognize. Don't worry about stock charts if you just trade futures, you just want to train your eyes to see patterns and formations. And speaking of day-trading, there is one important consideration when using candlestick analysis in a day-trading environment - YOU MUST REMAIN FLEXIBLE IN YOUR DEFINITIONS OF CANDLESTICKS IN REAL-TIME, DAY-TRADING. The lower the chart timeframe, the more flexible you must be. And what I mean is that if you are only looking for picture perfect hammers, you might be waiting a while for a signal. As we get more charts posted, this will make more sense. And from candlestick recognition, there are a couple schools of thought of how trade them: 1) Trade any of the patterns if your parameters are met. 2) Trade certain patterns based on your preference and testing. This is going to be an integral part of your trading plan and there's no right answer here. It really is dependent on how you build your trading plan and what your testing has shown. I'm not going to do the work for you, so don't bother asking.
  29. 1 point
    Patuca

    Beyond Taylor

    taylors book is complicated.. In my explanations i try and and cut to the heart of the matter. The area i see that could complicate things is all the taylor adaptations. Not that it is a bad thing..i made adaptations myself...but it seem to me that folks first need to learn the basics of taylor, as used by taylor, then build on that foundation and make the adaptations they deem necessary later on. It is kind of like football. When a team struggles, many times just going back to the basics and drilling them over and over again will correct the problems but jumping around to every new fangled play concept can add confusion and bewilderment which affects the final results on the playing field. Markets change and i am all for adaptations but some things are basic and have to be learned by rote so to speak. I know this thread is to explore ideas beyond taylor and that is good AND NEEDS to be done but how can we do that if we have no clear understanding of taylor at the basic level? Ole windbag WHY? Who i know personally as done alot to explain taylor at this basic level. But he is old and grippy and one never knows when he may get an inkling to contribute for a few days then he is gone...off the radar. I try and use alot of his explanations as i understand them. I would encourage posters to read his explanations on the taylor threads (as there are several) for a basic grounding. It can take years to read through taylors book and pull out the concepts that WHY? explains in a clearer format. Looks like we are range bound so far this morning. Breakout could go in either direction. It may be hard to actually take a position within the envelope numbers...jest have to wait to see what happens..tape showing weakness then strenght..have to see who wins out..bulls or bears..
  30. 1 point
    Patuca

    Beyond Taylor

    Capt bob i will do this just to show that i can trade bigger trends using taylor (since all here view me as a stupid scalper) AND to show that taylor trading does work. I trade all kinds of environments..ways..tactics..strategies...etc.. I do not just scalp two ticks to 4 points in the ES and NQ at a time but i do admit i like the fast action scalping 10 or 20 lots...i get bored as a chicken in a hog pen on day to day swing trading....like mr taylors (may he rest in peace) Give me a few days to get primed up and in the mood....and to determine which instruments i will trade. May be more than one..Probally will. I use to use Taylors methodolgy exclusively with stocks but gave up my stock scan program and stock data so i am not sure how well it will work with futures. I have no stock data feed nowdays. If anybody uses TC2000 for stock data could you send me a daily ascii file (export)on say 15 stocks of my choosing. I can instruct exactly how to export the data file for my purposes from tc2000 in the form i need it. Quite easy and quick to do. It really is just a small file. Just need it everyday at end of market close. I will give a list of the stocks. Takes about 5 minutes each day to export it to a file and email it to me. Who can do this? i have a certain engagement that must needs be fullfilled sept 12 thru 18th (kentucky)... But say around the 19th i will plan on doing the first mr taylor (may he rest in peace) trade. Remember now, i will be using rather large stops so do not get alarmed. I will post the basic strategy and plan for the next day before hand after the close each day. Since i use tape reading for the final entry decision (as mr taylor did ...may he rest in peace) i will post my entry as i make it. Is that agreeable to you? I also, recalculate the days under certain market conditions (my secret) so you may see that a day changes from a buy to sell day IF certain conditions take place in the market. That is, the day may start out on the open as a buy day but change to a sell day under certain conditions which I will not divulge at this point in my earthly existence. However, if there is a change in the day i will post that change and the new tactic based upon that change BEFORE i take a position. Then i will tape read and make my entry base on the new day and will post the price of my entry...stop loss...etc. Are those conditions acceptable? I may make or lose money but will most likely make money:haha: I will not divulge my taylor secrets so i hope no one wastes my time or theirs trying to wheezle it out of me....but any other general Taylor questions i will try and answer as i have time and if i am able. Just to show mr taylors method can work adapted for todays markets... I am a taylor purist except for certain adaptations.......which i will not divulge..but which can be discovered and implemented by anyone.....perhaps... Ole windbag Why? knows Taylor really well. I personally know mr. windbag...(i call him that because of his incessant yada yada yada)...but he does know all of Taylors secrets...you might could go to honduras and wheezle them out of him..just don't offer any money or he may really get good and pissed and start on his ole ...there is more to life than money sonny...speech..which will embarrass you and may take a couple of hours of your time for his lecture..leaving you filling like a naughty child who put his hand in the cookie jar.... Patuca
  31. 1 point
    clmacdougall

    Wyckoff Resources

    Thanks Db, I'll read through the thread for sure. All the best. Note: if anyone else has suggestions on resources, please let me know via PM and I'll add it/them to this thread. Thx
  32. 1 point
    Mysticforex

    38 Steps to Becoming a Trader

    I didn't see this posted here anywhere so I thought I would. The " I Look Back Now " thread inspired me. I read this several years ago in a commodities magazine, I have also seen it around on the web: 38 steps to becoming a trader They are as follows: 1. We accumulate information - buying books, going to seminars and researching. 2. We begin to trade with our 'new' knowledge. 3. We consistently 'donate' and then realise we may need more knowledge or information. 4. We accumulate more information. 5. We switch the commodities we are currently following. 6. We go back into the market and trade with our 'updated' knowledge. 7. We get 'beat up' again and begin to lose some of our confidence. Fear starts setting in. 8. We start to listen to 'outside news' and to other traders. 9. We go back into the market and continue to 'donate'. 10. We switch commodities again. 11. We search for more information. 12. We go back into the market and start to see a little progress. 13. We get 'over-confident' and the market humbles us. 14. We start to understand that trading successfully is going to take more time and more knowledge than we anticipated. MOST PEOPLE WILL GIVE UP AT THIS POINT, AS THEY REALISE WORK IS INVOLVED. 15. We get serious and start concentrating on learning a 'real' methodology. 16. We trade our methodology with some success, but realise that something is missing. 17. We begin to understand the need for having rules to apply our methodology. 18. We take a sabbatical from trading to develop and research our trading rules. 19. We start trading again, this time with rules and find some success, but over all we still hesitate when we execute. 20. We add, subtract and modify rules as we see a need to be more proficient with our rules. 21. We feel we are very close to crossing that threshold of successful trading. 22. We start to take responsibility for our trading results as we understand that our success is in us, not the methodology. 23. We continue to trade and become more proficient with our methodology and our rules. 24. As we trade we still have a tendency to violate our rules and our results are still erratic. 25. We know we are close. 26. We go back and research our rules. 27. We build the confidence in our rules and go back into the market and trade. 28. Our trading results are getting better, but we are still hesitating in executing our rules. 29. We now see the importance of following our rules as we see the results of our trades when we don't follow the rules. 30. We begin to see that our lack of success is within us (a lack of discipline in following the rules because of some kind of fear) and we begin to work on knowing ourselves better. 31. We continue to trade and the market teaches us more and more about ourselves. 32. We master our methodology and our trading rules. 33. We begin to consistently make money. 34. We get a little over-confident and the market humbles us. 35. We continue to learn our lessons. 36. We stop thinking and allow our rules to trade for us (trading becomes boring, but successful) and our trading account continues to grow as we increase our contract size. 37. We are making more money than we ever dreamed possible. 38. We go on with our lives and accomplish many of the goals we had always dreamed of. Most traders will identify with this list and should be able to place themselves within these steps. Keep in mind that very few people progress through these steps in an orderly fashion. Developing your trading skills is an iterative process. For example, you may reach Step 13., find that although you were making money, your basic premise for trading was flawed (you might have been benefiting from the bull market, rather than your own trading prowess and then have been rudely awakened when the market entered a bear phase) and you may drop back to Step 4. and start 'climbing' the steps again. Having the proper mindset, attitude and psychological makeup becomes increasingly important as you progress through the steps. The focus of the earlier steps is on external issues, i.e. developing proficiency in the mechanics of trading while the focus of the latter steps (particularly from Step 30, on) is on internal issues, i.e. improving ourselves mentally and psychologically, maturing as traders.
  33. 1 point
    Just follow the blog and go into the archives...all tops and bottoms will be there before it all occurs. All this just explains is when a change of direction is going to happen and if its a top or bottom. It won't tell how high or how low in advance, because I have not broken into price vibration rate yet. I have conquer time and space thus far, but if I am going to break into the later than I have really prepare myself. Some times it is looking at meaning into one self and asking questions, but I come to these things because of my Spirit and Soul allows me. You have to be deeply honest and express things to self to make this kind of knowledge come to you. I do not boast neither do I care except to be just what I am. I don't know why God made me to be able I am just able. Just except the fact of truth in anything, but know what is good and best or great for all. All is One
  34. 1 point
    WHY?

    Beyond Taylor

    Taylor is basically catching the main move on a daily basis so you would use the daily chart to tape read for the general move you are wanting to catch per the Taylor 3 day cycle methodolgy. The daily chart would be used to confirm the integrity of the 3 day cycle. Lets say the daily chart on a SS day closes weak. You would expect a weak open on the next day and a possible continuation of the slide down. But, the next day is a buy day. So you are looking to go long after the slide down stops providing it happens early in the session. So it may open on the buy day at the low of the previous day (SS day) since it closed at its low on the SS day). Just because the open on the buy day was at the objective doesn't mean you immediatley jump in. Why? The market close weak on the SS day and that weakness might continue on down some on the buy day before any rally starts. It could trade right through your objective point so you want to wait for the intraday move down to stop before taking your long entry. So you would want to tape read intraday looking for the entry point. Remember, Taylor gives the general expected moves in the 3 day cycle. The daily tape confirms the cycle. The intraday tape determines the exact entry. So, to fine tune entries and exits you tape read intraday. So, if it is a buy day and you know the objective is to go long at or through the low of the previous day if made early in the session then you would want to tape read intraday perhaps on a 5 minute chart to fine tune your entry remembering that the daily chart showed a weak close on the previous day SS day. So you go long when you see a reversal after the objective has been reached or surpassed. Just before the reversal the market may stall and become "dull". But you do not want to jump in unless that dullness turns into a reversal because you don't to go long in a downtrend on a dull spot especially, if the dull spot is a pullback. If the dull spot meanders sideways for several bars ESTABLISHING a sideways range then that is generally good and indicative of it breaking out north when it does breakout because some buying is taking place before the reversal. But one would wait for the reversal to actually take place before jumping in. If the dullness is on a fairly good size pullback without much of a sideway move (say just a few bars...3 to 5) then that can be dangerous to go long at that dull spot because most likely it will soon resume the downward trend some more... hence the old saying "never go long in a dull market in a downtrend." I hope I haven't confused the issue on "dull markets". You have to understand what Taylor mean't when he speaks of dull markets.Since he doesn't go into detail about it you have to look at other traders explanations of what these ole sayings mean't to them in that time and place. That is why in an uptrend don't sell (short) a dull spot it is referring to dull spots in pullbacks on uptrends. This will become clearer as I post more. All "dull spots have to be tape read to determine if the probabilities favor taking a position. This is all part and parcel of tape reading entries/exits. You have to tape read any pull backs or sideways movement to determine probabilities of price direction when the breakout does indeed occur.
  35. 1 point
    I'd strongly suggest to anyone who is serious about trading to think very carefully about whether using a mobile phone app for trading is a good idea. The interface, speed, reliabilty and security issues make it something I personally wouldn't do. If you have a position and you absolutely must leave, either make sure you have a way of getting through to your broker's execution desk quickly or close the position out before you leave.
  36. 1 point
    WHY?

    Beyond Taylor

    He is talking about the opening price as related to the buying or selling objectives. For instance: We know that the BEST and ideal buying day objective is to buy on a low made early in the session and one that penetrates the low of the previous day i.e. the SS day (previous session). That is, it makes a lower low and does so early in the session p 74 par 4; p9 par 6; p10 par5; p11 par4; p12 par 5; p29 par 6,7,8. So what he is saying here is that many times the opening price on this buying day will already be a penetration of the previous days (SS day) low. You can get a hint or indication if this is likely to happen by watching the "close" of the previous session (SSday). Was the close near the low of the day? Are prices in a downtrend or range? If downtrend and close near low then chances are the open on the next day will have already penetrated the low of the SS day or will at least make the low FIRST in the session. Now on days where there are HB's on a BUY day (higher bottoms on buying days p30 pr3&9) then the low on a buying day will NOT penetrate the low of the previous day (SS day) and the low that is made will generally be made late in the session, but not always. The hint for probable HB being made is when prices are ALREADY in a rally (uptrend) on a SS day and the close is high and strong on the SS day. That indicates the rally will continue up early in the session on the next day (Buy day) and when the decline starts it may not go down below (penetrate) the low of the previous day (SS day). HB's are usually profitable. With Taylor you can go long on a buy day low made first. Also, a HB on a buy day (generally made later in the session). And on a BV on a SELL day (the low of the sell day trades under the low of the previous day i.e. the buy day and does so early in the session like within first two hours of the open). On buy day you can short a high made first ideally on a penetration (to the upside) of the previous day (ss day). You may get a failure to penetrate in this case but if the objective is made first (in this case high made first on a buy day) then it is ok to short it. What is the hint that the shorting objective on a buy day might happen first? Simply a strong close on the previous SS day. That is an indication to be looking at a short position right off the bat after the open on the buy day. In summary, when Taylor says "Many times the opening price will be your Buying or Selling Objective on a penetration or failure to penetrate" what he is simply saying is that the objective is made on the open and one has to be johnny on the spot so to speak and take immediate action to take a postion or get out of a position without undue waiting around. For instance, prices are in a trading range. SS day closes low. The open on the next session is BELOW the low of the SSday. This then would be a penetration (to the downside) on the open. You would immediately look to go long. You might wait a few minutes but don't tarry. If no further breakout of the trading range to the downside is forthcoming then one would certainly look at taking a long position quickly because prices will probally soon start trading back up. The opening price MET the buying objective in this case. Basically, the statement you referenced applies to ANY objective (buying or selling) in the Taylor scheme of things. Another example: Taylor recommends going long on a buy day with a low made first and selling that long on the next day (sell day) once the high of the previous day (buy day) has been penetrated. So, suppose one buys the low made first on a buy day. All day long prices trade up..looks like it will close strong...so you hold your postion overnight. Next day price opens ABOVE the high of the previous day (buy day). You immediatley sell your long position because the objective (a penetration of the buy day high) was made ON THE OPENING PRINT. Of course, the final trigger isn't just that the objective has been met but the "tape" indicates entry and exits once the objective has been reached. For instance, in this last example say it opened higher than the previous day session (buy day) and I was long from the buy day I "may not" immediately sell (even though the objective has been reached) IF the tape indicates that prices will trade up more. This is why I have said that taylor has to be used with tape reading skills to be to be able to wring the best out of it. Maybe I have confused more? WHY?
  37. 1 point
    WHY?

    Beyond Taylor

    I think you may be confusing some issues here. Taylor believed the market to be manipulated over a 3 day period. During that 3 day period there would be opportunities for two type of actions. 1) Going long and selling that long position 2) Shorting and cover that short position. For instance, you can take advantage of action number 1 above on three occasions: Low made first on a buy day. In this case you sell the long on the next day or same day if you are daytrading. The next occasion for going long and selling that long was on a Day 2 of the cycle i.e. a SELL if early in the session a low is made below the low of the previous day (which would be a buy day) then you go LONG and sell that long on any good rally back to or through the low of the previous day (low of that buy day). You must complete this action the same day and not hold overnight. The third opportunity for action number 1 is on a BUY day say it doesn't trade down very well at all but near the end of the day it has held a higher low than that of the previous day (ss day) then you can take a long position. This is called buying a higher bottom on BUY day. Taylor says it is usually profitable. But generally you would hold this position until a decline starts which could be the next day or even the followoing SS day. In summary, I have just described to you 3 times which Taylor espoused taking and a long position and selling it over the course of the 3 day cycle. You can't just simply fit the actions into phases and call it a shorting phase or a long phase. Why is this? Well I have just explained that there are two long opportunies presented on the buy day and one long opportunity presented on the Sell day. You take every which one actually works out in the market. Now look at shorting opportunities. Taylor says you can short a high made first early in the session on a buy day and cover it the same day. You can short also on a SS day on a high made first and cover the same day or the next day. Look at my post #216 again. It was a buy day. It closed high on the previous day. That means that odds favored a decline in the next trading session (buy day 4-2). Therefore, I was looking to employ action # 2 above FIRST on this buy day. That is, I was looking to short on a decline made first then reverse and go long on action number one, occasion number 1, mentioned above. That is, I was anticipating the market being to be taken down first on the buy day 4-2 (why? well because it closed high on the previous day). Then I was anticipating a market reversal thus giving me an opportunity to cover my short and to take a long opportunity per occasion #1 under action number #1. Maybe I haven't confused the issue even more for you. In summary you can't just divide it up into a shorting phase and a long phase. You can go long or short on the very same BUY day. There are no shorting phases and buying phases. There are only shorting opportunties and buying opportunities and they are multiple and they occur over the three day cycle.There are no mini campaigns. There are only shorting and long opportunities over a 3 day period. Hope this explanation helps.
  38. 1 point
    WHY?

    Beyond Taylor

    You are welcome. I have never tried adapting Taylor that way but my guess would be that it may work. I have just never been interested in investing in long term trends. I have adapted his method on intraday charts and seen some promising stuff down to 15 minute charts. Perhaps there is an element of human nature (as markets do reflect that) and perhaps Taylor discovered a manifestation of that in a 3 day cycle senario. Humphrey Neil in Tape reading and Market tactics said "the ticker tape is simply a record of human nature passing in review". I suppose if it does record human nature on a minute by minute basis it would also on a 5 min chart...15 minute..daily..or weekly..even monthly. The old timers of course read the tape from a ticker machine which served pretty much the same as a time and sales screen of this age but on a much slower basis. However, what I find interesting when these old timers discuss tape reading they do it from a chart and use a chart to show examples. Therefore, that makes me think; can the tape be read from a chart? That is, can the chart be considered a useful, grafical, representation of the ticker tape/time and sales and in itself be called "the tape". I decided it was so. Therefore, I call this classical tape reading. It really isn't the way they "read" the tape in those days but it is the way they "explained" the tape. See, if the ticker machine and time and sales can be seen as small increments of the tape why couldn't the tape be seen in a larger way such as a chart. After all, the chart is a representation of the ticker/time and sales. Cliff Drokes thought along these same lines and mentioned it in his book tape reading for the 21st century. A quick look at the old timers. Neil, Gann, Wycoff..their explanations of the tape were done in chart form. Actually, Tom Williams work does the same thing. It is reading the tape in the form of charts looking for institutional activity. So anyway, when I refer to reading the tape in some of my posts I mean all the way from the time and sales/DOM/Orderflow to a hybrid version of reading the tape from charts. Of course, the DOM/Orderflow/time and sale is basically meaningless when you are talking about a trend of several weeks. Gann (in The Truth of the Stock Market Tape) read and explained the tape for these sort of longer trends from a chart. The time and sale/DOM/orderflow have gotton so fast now days (unlike the ticker tape of days gone by) that with algos and all the HFT out there the tape moves faster and faster (even at a nano second level) that the human eye cannot pick it up. Some daytraders/scalpers have taken to using computers to help them read them tape and stitch back up big orders that have been broken up to hide footprints..etc. However, in the final analysis the product of the tape volume/price shows up on a chart. So, I have taken to reading the tape from the charts. I say all this about tape reading because it is my belief that to be able to use Taylor properly it will require not just a knowledge of the cycles ..etc... but also a knowledge of how to read the tape from a chart. That is how one is going to conclude if a decline has stopped at a probable Taylor Low or a Taylor High has been reached. Or failed to reach it. It helps one to anticipate failures to penetrate previous days cycles and stopping point for declines and rallies. Just calculating the average of Taylors decline/rallies...coupled with the three day cycle theory etc isn't enough to get the job done. I know this to be so. Taylor himself mentioned several times about reading the tape so I know that he did so in conjunction with all his analysis and averages and figures. He basically clocked the market like one would clock a slot machine but his final pull from the trigger came from tape reading. That is why for years I have talked about in my Taylor posts when I say my entry here or exit there depends on the tape. Most folks never catch it or maybe they don't understand the tape? That is why I listed those books in my pompous post as my intent was to give some resources to folks where they could learn about tape reading from what I call a classical view i.e. a chart. IT IS THE FINE TUNING OF THE TAYLOR METHODOLOGY. Trust me Taylor will only work well if one can read the tape for entries. On less than ideal day cycles one will miss the trend if they can't read the tape. Take my last Taylor chart (I refer you to post #216 and the post #212 anticipating the price action of #216). It was an ideal Taylor taylor BUY day. The market is taken down overnight for a shorting opportunity and I said that was what I was looking and I expected it in the night session (re-read my post #212..this was made before the fact). Then, when the day session started we had the reversal and a chance to go long and make a killing. But notice something here. The low didn't make it to the taylor projected low of 3-30 1395.75 or 1394.56.... my softaware forecast. The reversal came. If I couldn't read the tape and see that the reversal was here then I would have waited around for the market to make the Taylor projected low and I would have missed the move up. So, it was an ideal Taylor BUY day in terms of the Taylor Strategy (look to short and go long) and the direction (take the market down then back up early in the session) BUT it WAS NOT an ideal Taylor BUY day in terms of the projected low. Nor in terms of the projected high. My software projected a high of 1406.19 when the actually high after that great rally was 1419.75. Nothing but tape reading would have kept me in the Taylor moves for that day in spite of the facts that the direction being right and the short/long opportunities being righ (as not all Taylor buy days give a short/long opportunity.) This is a long way around the block to answer your question but me thinks it may be relevant to your question. So........ It is possible there could be a 3 week cycle? Or a 3 month cycle? Me thinks it is possible but then again tape reading, in the sense that I am discussed above,..well...it will be necessary as the time/sale/dom/ will be totally irrelevant to a 3 week cycle. You will have to use the sort of tape reading I am talking about. As much as some people don't like Tom Williams and VSA he did have alot of good stuff that is useful for tape reading. Wiliams is good too in the sense that this sort of tape reading I am talking about requires an analysis of the spread. The size of the spread says alot about the tape. The volume of trading on that spread size says alot too. We have volume and we have price and price spread and open and closing. I have never understood why pure price action people want to leave out that piece of important data, namely, volume. It tells how the price was made. And indicates the value of the price in terms of money and money is what moves the market. You and I don't move the markets. Institutions move the markets. And their foot print is the volume. Anyway I better shut up about volume. I will say two more things about volume. To read the tape like I talk about in this post one will have to take volume into consideration. The second thing is IF anything is a leading indicator it is VOLUME. I ahve nothing like it that helps me better detect probable future price action. Of course it can be wrong sometimes simply because institutions can be wrong sometimes. And institutions are battling out with each other and they all approach the market in their own way. One institution may start aggressive buying and that pushes the price up when a stronger one beings shorting and wins out. Either way the story is told in the tape (chart). And so much faking out goes on. Make the market look weak to drive down a few ticks so they can really buy at a discount price because their real plan is to take the market up. As much as some don't like Gann his book I mentioned it as being useful and especially Drokes book. Also,Silver mentioned Neils book which I had somehow left out but yes, it is important too. Why don't you make some books up on on these longer time frames and let us know what you find out? For those that are interested in extreme scalping based on tape reading the order flow and using a computer to do so can take a look at jigsaw trading. Google it. I have absolutely nothing to do with jigsaw so please mitt don't think that. I mention them as a resource only. For trading order flow from DOM look at NO BS Trading by John Grady. However, this sort of tape reading is very short-term and for scalping and isn't relevant to Taylor trading. It can be somewhat useful for scalping via Brooks methods if one likes to scalp and take longer Taylor positions also like I like to do. Hope all this makes sense. Probally won't be back for a bit. Why?
  39. 1 point
    Predictor

    Daily Profit Goals/Downsides

    You should factor into how much you have of your account at risk. Yes, it does also make sense to use daily stop losses. But they could, also, be based on account risk and not your own feeling to that regard. In general, with a tiny account, risk should be reduced at the 25% of account level. It also makes sense to stop when ahead if you can't trade overnight because you have less time remaining to recover from any losses but only in terms of closed trades. . These types of considerations are a bit advanced in that focusing on them can be counterproductive for the beginner but are nonetheless important. It is worthwhile to consider: How much time is left in the game (early game, mid game, late game) (i.e day) % of capital at risk total closed trade profits open trade profits ----- Now, let's say you are a momentum trader and you are up $250 on a $1,000 account (like I was today) and you have a total of around $500 at risk. In this case, you have 25% at risk to break even and so you should start reducing your risk. Many successful traders just trade the open and morning session. I also do better with morning session. Trading late in day has many pitfalls, namely, limited time to recover and more fakeouts. It also depends on your style. You shouldn't set an upper limit per se but you should watch your total account risk and set a lower limit. If you aren't trading a hard system then it likewise makes sense to listen to yourself when you are losing and take time off, whether that be a day or a week. Most professional gamblers will step away when losing. Push harder when winning and take it easy when losing. A quantitative example might be that overbought indicators tend to get stuck when market trends strongly. Maybe it is a profitable indicator for you, if you can manage to avoid the bad losses, i.e don't keep fighting when it quits working!
  40. 1 point
    Don't try to make money? Are you out of your mind??? Of course you should go after profits right from the start. Just remember to look for trades that have a decent probability for a high reward to risk ratio (such as 5 or 6 side-by-side bars on a 120 minute chart in just about anything breaking out into a steady move on a 15 minute chart: trade any 15 minute bar that shows price rejection, such as a rattail candlestick; risk half the rattail range and lock in profits as the move breaks from your entry zone...) How dare you advise people to settle for mediocrity when one needs to build successes in this business to stand a modicum of a chance at success??? Luv, Phantom
  41. 1 point
    MadMarketScientist

    Trading for a Living

    I like that idea of pulling out the profits. I think where some traders go wrong is thinking in terms of a salary and expecting a fixed dollar amount every xx week/weeks like when they are on payroll. In all my years of trading my returns are never smooth -- some weeks/months the market is just so generous, other times it's incredibly stingy. I'd drive myself crazy if I had a "salary" expectation that was consistent/smooth. Even when I look at my long-term non-traded assets like funds and stocks if I look at the monthly returns it is literally all over the map. So, skimming out the profits makes sense but just don't expect that to ever be a consistent number. Assuming it's positive to begin with! MMS
  42. 1 point
    TimRacette

    Trading for a Living

    I agree with cuttshot. Once you have a sizable account I find it necessary to remove all profits for the week from your trading account. Take physical delivery of that money and go cash it at the bank, touch it, hold it in your hand, and then deposit it into your check, savings, and investment accounts. I think this process is important because it makes what we are doing tangible and real. Perhaps its mostly for psychological purposes, but if you leave the profits in your account, they are "at risk" of the market. Removing them each week keeps it structured more as a business.
  43. 1 point
    GlassOnion

    38 Steps to Becoming a Trader

    Shuanna... Are you from the Planet Vulcan, where they don't have emotions? Lol...
  44. 1 point
    Mysticforex

    Joke of The Day!

    How many Psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb?................... One. But the light bulb has to really want to change.
  45. 1 point
    Mysticforex

    38 Steps to Becoming a Trader

    Hi winchie, You don't mention what type of trader you are, or plan to become. There are many good books out there. For technical analysis, I keep a copy of "Technical Analysis of Stock Trends" by Edwards and Magee on my desk. It's not a read thru kind of book, but a great reference book. Although the word "Stock" is in the tittle, TA is TA, and can be applied to anything you can put on a chart. From there you can look for something more subject specific, VSA, Candlesticks, etc. For Motivation and Psychology, I like, "Market Wizards", "Trading in The Zone", and Millionaire Traders". Surely others will chime in with their thoughts.
  46. 1 point
    Cory2679

    Joke of The Day!

    The CIA had an opening for an assassin. After all of the background checks, interviews, and testing were done there were three finalists — two men and one woman. For the final test, the CIA agents took one of the men to a large metal door and handed him a gun. "We must know that you will follow your instructions, no matter what the circumstances. Inside this room you will find your wife sitting in a chair. You have to kill her.” The first man said, “You can’t be serious. I could never shoot my wife." The agent replies, “Then you’re not the right man for this job." The second man was given the same instructions. He took the gun and went into the room. All was quiet for about five minutes. Then the agent came out with tears in his eyes. “I tried, but I can’t kill my wife.” The agent replies, “You don’t have what it takes. Take your wife and go home.” Finally, it was the woman’s turn. Only she was told to kill her husband. She took the gun and went into the room. Shots were heard, one shot after another. They heard screaming, crashing, banging on the walls. After a few minutes, all was quiet. The door opened slowly and there stood the woman. She wiped the sweat from her brow and said, “You guys didn’t tell me the gun was loaded with blanks. I had to beat him to death with the chair.”
  47. 1 point
    cuttshot

    Trading for a Living

    davey, It is very important that you focus on building your account before even considering taking any money out. Trading full time on a $10,000 account just wont cut it. You can start with a small account but you need to leave the profits alone. Pulling money out right away will just lead to you spinning your wheels. How much money you pull out and when you do it depends on your lifestyle. Keep in mind there are fees when you pull the money out so you don't really want to be doing this too often. I have found it best to start with a budget for yourself. This way once you have built your account size up to make a living off you can pull the minimum amount out monthly/quarterly to cover expenses. The budget will also help you guage when it's possible to trade full time for a living. You should make sure you can make money for an extended period of time before you consider going at this for a living. Making money for 2 months in a row will not guarantee future success. You could run into weeks or even months where you don't make any money. Hopefully you are using a system that doesn't let this happen very often but it is possible. You have to make sure you are able to ride these times out. traderwill gave you some great advice. Having a successful system in place is very important. I would also recommend getting that budget in place so you know what you need to make in oder to cover expenses. From there you will be able to schedule your withdrawals.
  48. 1 point
    thalestrader

    Taylor Trading Technique

    I agree. I've been trading TTT for fair amount of time. I have always found that most folks who fail to understand Taylor fail largely because they are fixated on the cycle, rather than on how Taylor uses where price is in relation to Support and Resistance. For example, I have rarely, if ever, read anyone here mention the "objective Point," a concept Taylor uses without which you will not succeed with Taylor's method, at least not as Taylor himself understood his own teachings. It is precisely this failure to appreciate Taylor's understanding of trading price action that leads folks to assume that the cycle needs repeatedly to be "re-set" or "adjusted" as George Angell famously (or infamously) suggested is necessary. If one were instead to view the cycle not as a set of strict trading rules, but rather as Taylor intended it, i.e. as a critical apparatus through which to view and interpret price action around significant support and resistance levels, i.e. Taylor's objective points, then one would also no doubt understand that for Taylor it is not nearly so simple as buying on Buy Day, selling on Selling Day, and shorting on Short Sale Day. Indeed, a close reading of Taylor will reveal that Taylor clearly (insofar as he can be accused of clarity at all) taught that the trader will at times buy on a Short Sale day and Sell Short on a Buy Day, but unlike George Angell and more than a few forum posters, both here at TL and elsewhere, those circumstances do not override the trading cycle. For example, let me quote Taylor concerning just such circumstances: 1) "In the case of a Higher Buying Day Low, the stock or future shows support causing a rally and a strong close on the Short Sale Day - the decline from this rally, next day, on the Buying Day, fails to sell down to the previous low - the Short Sale Day Low - this rally on the Short Sale day is an indication of a Higher Buy Day Bottom" and 2) "A Short Sale put out at the High of a Buying Day made FIRSTon the penetration of the Short Sale Day High, should be covered on the reaction ... for short selling on the Buying Day High made FIRST is generally a weak short sale." To really benefit from Taylor's method, one needs to see that the cycle, in and of itself, is useless without an accute awareness of price - especially where price is in relation to the open, and more importantly, where price is in relation to immediately prior highs and prior lows and previous closes. After all, what does Taylor keep in his book but a record of PRICE high, PRICE low, and the closing PRICE, and whether PRICE made its high or low first. The primary data from which all else in his Book (meaning the hand written Book he kept for trading and not the book he published about his method) consists of (Surprise! Surpise!) volume, opening price, high price, low price, and closing price. As is the case with all indicators, methods, systems, etc. anything that may be useful to making trading decisions will be derived from price. The true value and genius of Taylor's method, properly applied, is that it focuses the trader on specific price levels and price action, i.e. how price behaves around those levels, and how to anticipate in which direction the path of least resistance lay. As an aside, when Ed Dobson chose to publish Taylor's method, he did no one anywhere any favors by not only publishing Angell's and Raschke's interpretations of the method in the same volume, but then he went farther by suggesting in the publisher's forward that readers skip reading Taylor first, if not altogether, and simply read Angell's and Raschke's essays! What a mistake! This is, no doubt, one reason why most traders who approach Taylor become enamored of the trading cycle, and ignore price action, support and resistance, completly ignoring Taylor's objective points, as Angell in particular focuses squarely on the trading cycle in his essay on Taylor's method. Of course, another reason so many focus on the cycle and not the whole of Taylor's discussion on trading price action is that traders always want the easy money. How nice would it be if it really were so simple as buying on a buy day, holding overnight and selling soon after the open on the selling day for a nice profit, and then go short on the short sale day, cover at the close, again for a nice profit, and then start it all over again the next day by again going long on the subsequent buy day! If only trading were that easy! Angell was the one who first suggested that cycles need to be shifted from time to time. Let us all remember that Angell was selling a primitive computer software program using the Taylor method (dubbed LSS by Angell) and as Taylor's method is a discretionary method, Angell's project to automate trading signals from Taylor necessarily broke down. Angell could only make his program marginally salable by allowing the program to periodically re-set its cycle. The Book Method, you see, is meant for human intelligence, not artificial intelligence. As a further aside, anyone interested can quickly verify that Angell was fined by the CFTC/NFA (http://www.cftc.gov/opa/enf02/opa4628-02.htm) for his sale of and claims made on behalf of his LSS method and his computerized trading system. Why anyone would depend upon an essay that was originally intended as a piece of sales literature for what amounted to a faulty and fraudulent computer trading system scheme for his or her understanding of Taylor's (a real trader, by the way) method is beyond me. But those who insist that the cycle is anything other than a three day affair, or that it otherwise is in constant need of periodic adjustment is doing preciely that - interpreting Taylor's Trading Method through the lens of a fraud and a propagandist. In the end, it is always all about price. If its not about price, then it is about fear, greed, and EGO. Best Wishes, Thales
  49. 1 point
    WHY?

    Taylor Trading Technique

    I would like to make some comments here concerning how Taylor would have seen the price action today by Richbois count being an SS day. Finally, what he most likely would have done. Today was a failure to penetrate early in the session. However there was an immediate decline so why not short this decline?? Taylor says you have to recognize such action and trade on it even though it is a difficult trade to make many times it is very profitable. The key is knowing when to put out the short sell. This requires some tape reading skills. But in this case one would NOT short on 2-5-09. Why? First, I take a few quotes out of his book concerning failures to penetrate the objective. "In the beginning it might be well to study these failures to penetrate and the results of them before buying or short selling but you have got to recognize this action and trade on it, for while it is a most difficult ‘play’, at the same time many of the most profitable moves take place from failures to penetrate at both tops and bottoms. The failures to penetrate Buying or Selling Objectives are not exceptions to our method of trading, for a little study of the past movements of stocks and commodity futures will reveal that this action takes place approximately 40% of the time on an average, at either of these points, therefore, this movement is a very definite part of the method as a whole." "When a stock makes a high FIRST on a Selling Day with a penetration of the Buying Day High, then reacts and is selling nearer the low of the day at the close, the indications are for a lower opening on the Short Sale Day. Should the lower opening occur, after the decline the stock or future will make an attempt to rally, in most cases, and this rally will penetrate the—High of Selling Day—if the immediate trend is higher, however, should the rally fail to reach this Objective and at the top of this rally the activity dies out and the trading narrows down to a few transactions at about the same price, then begins to ‘sell off’, we would ‘put out’ a short sale on this declining trend and J-U-S-T as it starts." Quotes from p 46 The Taylor Trading Technique. Now a quote about price action on an SS day "We try to make all short sales on the high made FIRST on penetrations of—Selling Day Highs—‘This is the most favorable action for your play’—we would not ‘put out’ a short sale where the stock or future opened down and declined future, without a rally, for this action would carry the implications that rally, should it start later in the session, may cause the closing price to be up near the high of the day and this would be making the high LAST on a Short Sale Day, indicating a 46 future rally, and an up-opening but where the stock opened at the same price as the previous close and declined early in the session and then rallied higher than the opening price or for a penetration of the Selling Day High—we would ‘put out’ a short sale just as this rally began to exhaust itself after the penetration. This action is not as favorable to our trade as the above." P 39 The Taylor Trading Technique. In summary, when there was no decline followed by a rally that failed to penetrate it is best to pass by the short. While one "could" have shorted and come out ok today in many cases one would get caught in the cross currents. Thus Taylor would have probably passed by shorting today right after the open. Now taking the count as Elovemer did it was a buy day. First, some Taylor quotes from his book The Taylor Trading Technique "The Short Sale Day Low is our point to watch and we watch for it to be reached or for the price to sell under this point, since this is where we buy our long stock." p28 Since today was a buy day by Elovemer count then yesterday 2-4-09 was an SS day. It is very important to watch the close oin the SS day to judge where you will probably be buying your long at on the next day. In this case the low close on the SS day 2-04-09 indicated a further decline on the next day 2-5. So one wouold be expecting to buy probably go long on a lower low than the previous days low made on 2-4. "Now, we go back to the close of the Short Sale Day and we find that it was a ‘flat’ closing, then from this indication we expect a lower opening on the Buying Day and so far this would cause the low to be made FIRST and is a stronger indication when made early in the session that a rally would start from this low and hold the gains for a strong closing" p28 "On a Buying Day when the stock rallies from the low and the gain in points is sufficiently large, we sell out on the same day."p27 "The Buying Day—for our long stock provided the decline ends at or near this low but we can with reasonable certainty figure whether this low will be our buying ‘spot’ or if we may not expect further concessions to buy on and we get this indication from the way the stock closes on the Short Sale Day. We get this indication by watching the close and whether prices are up or down, that is down from the high of day or up from the low of day, weak or strong. Remember, we are watching the prices on a Short Sale Day trying to anticipate the coming point at which we can buy or go ‘long’" p 27 What would Taylor have done on 2-5-09 if the count said it was a buying day? First, he would have taken note of the close on the previous day (ss day) and seeing it close weak he would have expected the decline to continue on down after the open on 2-5. Therefore, he would have waited and as the tape indicated the decline was stopping he would have went long. Within an hour or so of the opening he would have been long and probably flat by the close today 2-5 with a good gain.
  50. 1 point
    It really depends on the persons passion for the markets. One year is definitely not the norm. Your friend has done an amazing job in just one year. It took me 2 years of intense studying and trading to get to where I am. I was quite a journey. I would say on average it takes 2-3 years before one can start trading for a living. This is just my opinion, I am sure some may find me a slow learner.
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