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  1. 2 points
    LindsayBev

    Best Candlestick Book / PDF??

    Donald, here is the pdf version of the book, if you are interested. While a bit "salesman-like" in its approach (all of what he claims cannot possibly be true or it would be the Holy Grail), it was packed full with pictures, commentary and helpful information. Enjoy. Profitable_Candlestick_Trading-HERE.pdf
  2. 1 point
    WildPete

    Reading Charts in Real Time

    Hi folks...Another shot at this GBPUSD long (if triggered). God Bless.. WP
  3. 1 point
    Donald

    Which indicators you like and why

    So I've been messing with the indicators and learning about them. Made me curious what does the majority use here and why? Currently I'm using Bollinger Bands, Awesome Oscillator, Moving Average, Belkhayate Timing and Parabolic SAR. From all these Belkhayate is my favourite so far, it almost only made me win trades. While Parabolic is almost like MA, I still can read it more clearly on how the market moves.
  4. 1 point
    Hi traders, how are you? I am just joined here. The community looks beautiful, easy and good structure.
  5. 1 point
    Hello forum members I am Rikita Bhave, want to share my trading experience
  6. 1 point
    Hi, I am Nameeta Patel. I have just started trading and I hope to learn and share about it in this forum.
  7. 1 point
    Today Indian Stock Market moved down on ending session. Tomorrow is the day of big quarterly results. Three companies of Nifty index, Bajaj Finance, Bajaj Finserve and Kotak Mahindra will announce their quarterly results. Mid-cap companies like Aditya Birla Money, ABB India Limited, D.B.Corp Limited, GNA Axles Limited, RBL Bank Limited and Sterlite Technologies Limited will also announce their results.
  8. 1 point
    WildPete

    Reading Charts in Real Time

    Stopped for the full -1R. God Bless.. WP
  9. 1 point
    WildPete

    Reading Charts in Real Time

    Took this Long on the bullish candle after chasing the entry somewhat @ 1.3253, ..RR still attractive. Will be looking for areas to raise the stop to a more favourable level. God Bless.. WP
  10. 1 point
    WildPete

    Reading Charts in Real Time

    No trigger on long GBPUSD, pulling Buy Order. God Bless.. WP
  11. 1 point
    WildPete

    Reading Charts in Real Time

    Another potential Stab at the GBPUSD Long (if triggered). God Bless.. WP
  12. 1 point
    WildPete

    Reading Charts in Real Time

    Adjusting Stop to 1.3202...just below entry.
  13. 1 point
    Jason Solomon

    Which indicators you like and why

    I use Fib tool+moving average combo and RSI most often. But have plenty more to experiment with :P
  14. 1 point
    bootstrap

    I Look Back Now and Wonder

    I wasn't sure where to put this, so the powers that be can move it if they see fit. I put it here for anyone who is just starting out and wondering what it really takes to become part of that elite club of profitable traders. I lurk on several trading forums. I join a few and make a few posts. One thing that I rarely see is the painful path one took to becoming successful. So for all you beginners here is what becoming successful took. For my fellow brethren that are already in the club have a good laugh. The markets had always lured me as a kid. I would read the paper and make predictions. Sometimes they were right; sometimes not. Then one day I got that famous commodity-trading flyer, sent my money off and took the plunge. My first stab at trading was commodities and I started with $5k in 1991. I was using the strategy as outlined by the guru. The account was gone within a few months. Well that didn’t work. I thought, people do this everyday and make money why not me. So off to the library. I read every book the Memphis library had on trading and investing. I paper traded the strategies I found while I built my bankroll back up. I learned exits, set-ups, position, expectancy, market psychology, and portfolio management. I soon realized that I was reading the same thing over and over no matter which book I checked out. Time to build my strategy. I am ready to do this. I bought a new computer, Metastock Pro 6.0, and opened an account with $30k. Its 1995, and this is my shot. By 1997 I was toast again. The family life went to hell in a hand basket, and I thought I could trade through the difficult times. The result was an account with a balance of $2500. Back to the drawing board. Took care of the personal stuff. Lived like a monk raising capital. Worked nights and watched the market during the day. Took a second job on the weekends to raise more money. Then one day out of the blue, the little red and green candles started to make sense. I saw patterns develop over and over in the same spots. I placed a trade and made a profit. But I had done this before. I removed the MACD from my charts. Placed another trade and made a profit. Maybe I am on to something. Removed the channel indicator that I stumbled across. I could still see the action and new what the MACD was doing and where the action was in the channel without them even being on the chart. I even stopped drawing trend lines. It was just me and the screen. I planned every trade. I knew exactly when, where, and why I entered and exited. I was patient. I became a predator. Lurking and waiting. I took every shot the market gave me. If it started to go wrong, I got out quick and waited. If the market did not give me an opening, oh well. There is always tomorrow. By the fall of 1999, I was consistently profitable and have been ever since. For those that are waiting for the sales pitch, there isn’t one. For those that are waiting for me to expose some great secret, well there isn’t one of those either. What I will give you are a few simple pointers that I learned the hard way. And the sad part is, most will stilll learn these the hardway. 1)Take everything you read with a grain of salt. That includes this post. 2)Never pay for a system. It is just not that easy. 3)If something comes up in your life that is distracting, stop trading. 4)Plan every aspect of your trade down to the smallest detail, and plan for every possible outcome. 5)Develop your own strategy. Don’t let someone tell you that you can’t trade a simple moving average if you truly believe you can. 6)Test the strategy in the market that you will be trading. If you like the results, trade it in another totally unrelated market and see if it still holds up. 7)Paper trading is ok, but there is nothing that truly tests the strategy like hard earned cash. 8)You will have to make sacrifices in order to make it. I still do. In the middle of my learning period I was working 18 hours a day during the week and 12 on the weekend. 9)You are responsible for everything when it comes to trading. That includes stop running, bad fills, limit moves, your PC crashing. I mean everything. See #4 10)And last but probably most important, don’t be afraid of failure. Just do like Edison and go, “Well that didn’t work”. Good trading to you all.
  15. 1 point
    Hello everyone! I am very new to this forum. I find this forum really interesting because of the community here is really active and they respond to the thread accordingly. I am really excited to share you guys my thoughts, knowledge, and experience in trading. Happy trading everyone!
  16. 1 point
    Prakash

    Best Candlestick Book / PDF??

    Profitable Candlestick Trading (2002) by Stephen W. Bigalow
  17. 1 point
    The longer one lives, the more one realises that most people don't know what they're talking about. The longer one trades, the more one realises that most 'traders' don't know what they're talking about.. If you've traded successfully any time between March 2009 to the present day you've done really well. But you've never traded through a bear market. People who believe that 1-2 years is what it takes are kidding themselves and giving false hope to others. People who think like that won't be around to talk out of the back of their head come the next major correction or the next bear market. People who have traded 1-2 years oughta STFU and worry more about how they are gonna survive the next 1-2 years. There's a difference between making money and always being able to make money. Same as there's a difference between those who trade and those who call themselves coaches while they publicly admit to making rookie mistakes.( You know who you are and why you're on my twat list) A difference between those who trade and those who write articles full of generic useless crap advice.It's almost impossible for a real trader to write crap. A difference between those who trade and those who write articles full of generic useless crap to generate customers. The last thing most real traders want is customers. My advice to beginners is forget it. You have to be a certain type of person to succeed. Maybe consider doing it as a sideline, don't do what I did, don't let it consume your whole life unless you're that type. Don't kid yourself that you're the 'type' just 'cos you want to quit the rat race. Or because you have a high IQ or because the neighbour does it and if he can, you can. Or because you paid $6000 for a seminar.. or 100 other reasons. There's only 3 things that count- Sheer bloody minded persistence Time served The ability to become someone else when you're trading. - Hence the bullshit advice about finding a trading style that fits your personality. The only trading style that counts is one that makes money. There's a trading style for- wreckless people impatient people obstinate people people who think they're smarter than the market. people who think there's a short cut I can be impatient and obstinate at times, just not when I'm trading. I back tested my personality to see what worked and what didn't There's a price for everything and the price for trading for an income is pretty steep in terms of time- forget money, any intelligent person can get money, but you can't get the time back. Then there's the reality that nobody in your life, including your family has the slightest interest in what you do. I have a brother who resented me when I was failing and resents me even more now. Most people think the market is a casino full of crooks and people who make money by contributing nothing to society. You can't really blame them can you?. If you succeed nobody is pleased about it except you. Nobody will know what you had to go through or appreciate how difficult it was- except another trader There's a story I'm reminded of about Richie Blackmore that Jon Lord tells. They're coming out of the dressing room to play a show ( Rainbow, not Deep Purple). As they go down the corridor Lord realises he's talking to himself and he turns round to see Blackmore is having a mini breakdown " I can't stand this anymore, I just want to go home" You think I'm talking about a losing trade? I'm not even taliking about the trades. In terms of mental effort there is zero difference between a winning/losing trade. I do this 'cos I'm driven to do this, because there's nothing else I want to do. And that's a form of self imposed prison. Is there anyone in a prison who doesn't want to escape? So why don't I stop and go do something else? Because I'd only go and build another prison somewhere else. Because I'm that type, because I'm not Bob. An ex girlfriend years ago had a friend Julie and her husband Bob. "Bob works in a factory and only earns £250 a week" "Yeah, but they're happy and Bob goes home at 4pm and doesn't work weekends. I got customers, employees and 10 hour days and wondering where the next contract is coming from..." So, I'm in a much better prison now- no employees or customers..... hmmm not so bad after all.
  18. 1 point
    mangolassi

    Forex Broker

    Are you serious with this post? Name one institution that trades with MT4. MT4 is a joke that is used by beginner forex traders for two reasons: 1) it is free, and 2) it is very simple to use. Institutions that are managing large amounts of money use custom platforms that are tailored for their needs, especially if these institutions are banks trading currencies with each other. MT4 doesn't even meet the standards to be called a serious retail trading platform. Comparing MT4 to something like Sierra Chart, Multicharts, Tradestation, etc., is like comparing a plastic tricycle to a Ferrari. I am going to go ahead and call you out on this - if you really think MT4 is the "best platform" you've ever tested, you have only used MT4. Tradestation and Ninjatrader and others like Sierra Chart and Multicharts are used by a large amount of professional traders who trade various markets like futures, stocks, commodities, forex, etc. MT4 is simply used by beginner forex traders. I'm sorry, but MT4 is one of the worst trading platforms out there. You won't find any serious professional trader using MT4... if they are using MT4, they are usually a beginner still new to trading.
  19. 1 point
    Patuca

    Beyond Taylor

    taylors book is complicated.. In my explanations i try and and cut to the heart of the matter. The area i see that could complicate things is all the taylor adaptations. Not that it is a bad thing..i made adaptations myself...but it seem to me that folks first need to learn the basics of taylor, as used by taylor, then build on that foundation and make the adaptations they deem necessary later on. It is kind of like football. When a team struggles, many times just going back to the basics and drilling them over and over again will correct the problems but jumping around to every new fangled play concept can add confusion and bewilderment which affects the final results on the playing field. Markets change and i am all for adaptations but some things are basic and have to be learned by rote so to speak. I know this thread is to explore ideas beyond taylor and that is good AND NEEDS to be done but how can we do that if we have no clear understanding of taylor at the basic level? Ole windbag WHY? Who i know personally as done alot to explain taylor at this basic level. But he is old and grippy and one never knows when he may get an inkling to contribute for a few days then he is gone...off the radar. I try and use alot of his explanations as i understand them. I would encourage posters to read his explanations on the taylor threads (as there are several) for a basic grounding. It can take years to read through taylors book and pull out the concepts that WHY? explains in a clearer format. Looks like we are range bound so far this morning. Breakout could go in either direction. It may be hard to actually take a position within the envelope numbers...jest have to wait to see what happens..tape showing weakness then strenght..have to see who wins out..bulls or bears..
  20. 1 point
    Patuca

    Beyond Taylor

    Here is the scoop on the ES. SEPT 6 2013 was the last trading session it was a BUY day in taylors cycle. You can short a buy day on a high made first like within first couple of hours of the open. You generally cover it the same day. If price drops fast (within the first 2 to 3 max hours of the open you would cover the short and look to go long if the low is trading near the low numbers. You then hold the long overnight or sell it on same day if the rally is hard and fast. But you can hold it overnight. The next tradingsession - sept 9 is a SELL day. On a sell day you sell any longs held overnight from the previous session (in this case sept 6th) and you can go long on any price below the low of the 6th if made within first two hours of the open. You then sell the long on the same day on any decent rally back towards the low of the 6th. So, to help us understand what would have happened on the 6th or how taylor would have traded the 6th. I know this is hindsight but to set the context i am going back to Friday 6th and pretend i was Taylor. My taylor numbers for 6th derived after the close of the 5th. Are thus: (note i arrive my taylor numbers different than he does..i will not divulge this info...but you could use his numbers i suppose: Possible high for 6th 1660 to 1665 Possible low 1643 to 1651 Now since the 6th is a buy day i know i can , according to Taylor's rules do either of the following: 1) short a high made first (first means within 2 hours max 3 hours of the open) 2) go long on a low made first 3) short, then cover, then long near taylors low numbers if both made within the first 2 to max 3 hours. I can then sell the long same day on any fast rally or hold for selling on the next day. 4) long, then sell long near taylor high numbers, then short near high numbers (if all wthin first two to three hours), and cover same day (do not carry short over to next day) So, how would taylor have trade last friday 6th? Please note i am using only RTH (regular trading hours O,H,L,C and ignoring night session..aftermarket prices) Ok the market opened on the 6th at 1659.25 (RTH). This is very close to the Taylor high numbers above. So, as Taylor what would i be anticipating? I would be looking to short (Rule #1 above). What would be my entry? Well, i would watch market .do a little tape reading to see if the market tops out within the high numbers above. When i see it stall i pounce and short. In this case it traded quickly up to 1661. I could short at 1661 or wait for the close of the bar (bar 8:35). That bar closed at at 1657 and was a bear bar with big tail on top indicating weakness. Taylor of course didn't have candlesticks so he probally would have shorted around 1659 to 1660. Lets say for some reason Taylor shorted at the close of bar 8:35 (1657). He would ride the rather fast decline down. He would be looking for the decline to stall around his low numbers. He would however watch the tape and if it went through his projected lows he would hold until the price quit declining. In this case it stopped declining on bar 9:00 at 1638.75. The next bar was a reversal bar indicating time to get out. So, at the latest taylor would be out on by the high of the reversal bar (1645) for a 12 point gain within the first hour of the open. Now before anyone protests; we know taylor did not look at 5 minute charts nor did he have candlesticks. Here, i am showing how i adapted taylors method to todays markets. Taylor used daily charts and timed his entries and exits with his numbers and fined tuned them with live tape reading. In todays markets i tape read off 5 minute charts with what i call "tape reading bar by bar". Somebody is probally having convulsions about now and saying that is not the tape. The tape is order flow..Dom..and Time and sales! Well, that is partially true but that sort of tape reading is mostly good for extreme scalping of 1 to 4 ticks. Taylor wasn't interested in that. He was after the big move of the day. I dont have the time to get into my style of tape reading but suffice it to say for now that a five minute chart s a pictorial view of the tape (order flow...dom...T&S ...transactions added together). Hence i coined the term (at least i have never heard it coined this before) "tape reading bar by bar". Now, back to the price action of sept 6. It is 9:05 CST and i taylor have made 12 points in the ES (of course we also know the ES didn't exist back then but play along with me here). Now according to my taylor rules for a BUY day (rule three) i can also go long because 2 hours have not yet gone by. So, i covered my short and immediatley take a long position for the tape says this is a reversal point (bar 9:05) so, i am now long at one tick above the high of the 9:05 bar (1645.25). I am looking for a rally and have nearly the complete trading session to get it as the market has only been open 35 minutes. Things are looking good. I look to exit on any good rally that heads back up towards my high numbers. My exit is flexible. I am even allowed to hold overnight and exit on monday sept 8 if i wish. However, if the rally is hard and fast then generally it is better to exit the same day. In this case it rallied back up fast and hard and then started going sideways. I decide to exit on bar 10:40 at 1658.75 as looks like we are range bound and i have a good profit already. So, i am out for another profit of 13.5 points. That makes 25.5 points for the day and it is 10:40. Time to go fishing....a little late maybe but the boat ride will be good. Ok ...so now we have seen how taylor would have traded fridays sept 6 price action. Now what about the next session sept 9 which is still future? I'll deal with that in another post before the market opens on sept 9, 2013 I am attaching a chart of sept 6th to help you visually see the above. This is for information only and not for real trading.. You could lose your money! Patuca
  21. 1 point
    Patuca

    Beyond Taylor

    Capt bob i will do this just to show that i can trade bigger trends using taylor (since all here view me as a stupid scalper) AND to show that taylor trading does work. I trade all kinds of environments..ways..tactics..strategies...etc.. I do not just scalp two ticks to 4 points in the ES and NQ at a time but i do admit i like the fast action scalping 10 or 20 lots...i get bored as a chicken in a hog pen on day to day swing trading....like mr taylors (may he rest in peace) Give me a few days to get primed up and in the mood....and to determine which instruments i will trade. May be more than one..Probally will. I use to use Taylors methodolgy exclusively with stocks but gave up my stock scan program and stock data so i am not sure how well it will work with futures. I have no stock data feed nowdays. If anybody uses TC2000 for stock data could you send me a daily ascii file (export)on say 15 stocks of my choosing. I can instruct exactly how to export the data file for my purposes from tc2000 in the form i need it. Quite easy and quick to do. It really is just a small file. Just need it everyday at end of market close. I will give a list of the stocks. Takes about 5 minutes each day to export it to a file and email it to me. Who can do this? i have a certain engagement that must needs be fullfilled sept 12 thru 18th (kentucky)... But say around the 19th i will plan on doing the first mr taylor (may he rest in peace) trade. Remember now, i will be using rather large stops so do not get alarmed. I will post the basic strategy and plan for the next day before hand after the close each day. Since i use tape reading for the final entry decision (as mr taylor did ...may he rest in peace) i will post my entry as i make it. Is that agreeable to you? I also, recalculate the days under certain market conditions (my secret) so you may see that a day changes from a buy to sell day IF certain conditions take place in the market. That is, the day may start out on the open as a buy day but change to a sell day under certain conditions which I will not divulge at this point in my earthly existence. However, if there is a change in the day i will post that change and the new tactic based upon that change BEFORE i take a position. Then i will tape read and make my entry base on the new day and will post the price of my entry...stop loss...etc. Are those conditions acceptable? I may make or lose money but will most likely make money:haha: I will not divulge my taylor secrets so i hope no one wastes my time or theirs trying to wheezle it out of me....but any other general Taylor questions i will try and answer as i have time and if i am able. Just to show mr taylors method can work adapted for todays markets... I am a taylor purist except for certain adaptations.......which i will not divulge..but which can be discovered and implemented by anyone.....perhaps... Ole windbag Why? knows Taylor really well. I personally know mr. windbag...(i call him that because of his incessant yada yada yada)...but he does know all of Taylors secrets...you might could go to honduras and wheezle them out of him..just don't offer any money or he may really get good and pissed and start on his ole ...there is more to life than money sonny...speech..which will embarrass you and may take a couple of hours of your time for his lecture..leaving you filling like a naughty child who put his hand in the cookie jar.... Patuca
  22. 1 point
    My biggest loss was time. Time spent looking at the wrong things, time spent trading without a plan or without real understanding of what was important, time wasted on indicators, etc. then time unlearning all the nonsense I had picked up. The money comes back with interest, but you can't ever get that time back.
  23. 1 point
    First of all I am not an amateur, having obtained an education in this area... The idea that people "engage" in self destructive behaviors is (as with most things that people post here) is misleading....generally people simple LET events overtake them, OR they are unwilling to accept responsibility for behaviors that produce a negative result, because they are too lazy (pure and simple)..to do the hard work of correcting themselves... The fact is that life in general is a struggle, and those of us who have made it to adulthood figure it out at the appropriate time (late teens, early 20's) and adopt an adult appropriate view of the world. The rest fall along a continuum where they may or may not possess a realistic adult view of the world, AND as a result of that immature world view, they believe (wholeheartedly) that the world "owes them" certain things.....then "when not if" the world doesn't cooperate" its NOT their fault....ITS EVERYONE ELSE..... Although its not politically correct, I believe these folks should get a brisk kick in the ass (or perhaps join the military and have someone else apply a "brisk kick in the ass" to them) until they "get it".... The subject is near and dear to my heart because sites like this one attract adult children like magnets (all asking the same questions over and over)...."why do so many traders (fill in the space) blah blah blah... And for the person who suggests that "all animals" do this....ah no....you see in the animal kingdom, "engaging" in self destructive behavior results in their DESTRUCTION.....there is an Darwinian process that prevents that kind of behavior from continuing along a genetic line.
  24. 1 point
    That's a really great post, Berzerk - thank you for taking the time to write it. I am certain there is something in there that will make a difference to how I see the markets, and handle them. Particularly I like your way of dealing with the risk of whipsaws, and trading with strength. However ... I gave my reasons for quitting: I am realistic, Berzerk. Even if I won 9 trades out of ten, do you think I would be able to generate the kind of income I planned for 9 years ago? I know that I would not reach a success rate of 90% ... and I am under-capitalised now, having blown two major accounts in my second and third years at this. After that I became more focused and committed to finding out what works and what does not. But the markets have continued to evolve, and I have had to accept that I am simply not suited to be a trader. It's not hard to accept that - the evidence is there ... plainly ... and all the thousands of posts I have made, and the hundreds of thousands more that I read, have not changed my bottom line one teeny bit. The losses roll on. I do not regard myself as short of thinking power - it is something else that I lack. But I am smart enough to know that, and to quit. The retirement I hoped for may not arrive - that's life - but I did give it a decent shake - no one can take that from me. My foolishness was in thinking I could trade and make enough money to replace my day job. I am not/no longer seeking a working strategy - I am no longer committed to "being a trader." And I am certainly not interested in words of pity/condolence etc - we are adults and make adult decisions. This is simply a nice way for me to move on, and probably the thread was an attempt to share another point of view with someone who may have also been at a tipping point, and just maybe something they were able to see here could have made a difference. I don't know. Your post has not been in vain though. As I mentioned, I will consider carefully what you wrote, and see if there is something I overlooked in my 9 year journey. Clearly, I have missed it ... but the question is for me: Can I exploit this art so that it is worth my time and energy. Would it be worth it for me to give up other things in exchange for making a little more from trading than I do? Will it ever be more than gambling? I have had to face those answers - and they are not in the affirmative at this point. What I am going to do now is write a couple of novels - this is a passion for me. Maybe you would like to buy an eBook from me? :missy:
  25. 1 point
    mitsubishi

    Next Big Thing

    Next big thing?..........Looks like the same old thing to me.Here's the recipe. 1) Get yourself a PR story that sounds too good to be true that the system is based on. In this case it is a maths genius (apparently,who,besides them say he's a genius?). Other famous PR stories are eg :a code based on a bunch of numbers mentioned in the bible (The Daniel Code).And: A genius who found the hidden order within markets,sold it to Welles Wilder,who called it The Delta Phenomenon. Or,if you are Steve Copan you call it The Market Matrix and pretend you're a recluse who only writes books,Cd's and once in a blue moon,seminars for a lot of money-because... you're a recluse. 2 )Do not tell anybody how the indicator works or what it's really based on (except it can only be based on past prices,therefore it lags and is not predictive) 3) Make a video showing the mysterious indicator "working" at the bottom of the cherry picked example chart. 4) Leave no doubt in the mug punter's mind that trading skills of any kind are not required just follow the "signals". 5) SIgn up to a trading forum,and in your first post tell us how you're thinking about signing up for this service and what do people think? 6) Get another spammer with 5 posts or less to say he's making money and it's the "next big thing" 7) If anyone bad mouths your operation or asks too many questions throw them out of your trading room. 8) When a trade set up is winning claim you are already in it. 9) When a trade set up isn't working claim you didn't get in it for reasons ABC. 10) If anyone calls you out on that throw them out of the room,but keep taking their credit card payments until they finally manage to cancel them-keep all the money and point them to the small print in the contract. 11) When business is slow,and after being thrown off various forums for soliciting,and after working with some of the biggest frauds,conmen and snake oil salesman in the "business",sign up for traders Laboratory and pretend your here to make friends and help struggling traders.When the long term residents call you out on your bullshit,turn pretty shitty pretty quick and cry like a baby that everyone's picking on you for no good reason.Threaten to leave -repeatedly without actually leaving.Carry on as if nothing is wrong and nothing happened until everyone is so sick of you the management is forced to act.(finally) Then,finally leave.Then come back almost immediately before finally understanding fully and intimately the phrase "go fkcu yourself" Then sometime later crawl back to give your expert opinion on the best way to run false accounts and statements while failing to see how transparent and ludicrous you look. 12) When things completely fall apart,leave the sinking ship owing 1000's to your customers and act like nothing happened. Hi Oliver,how's "business" these days? 13) Rinse and repeat until someone finally sticks your ass in jail (low probability) But hey,it's different this time isn't it?
  26. 1 point
    WHY?

    Beyond Taylor

    Taylor is basically catching the main move on a daily basis so you would use the daily chart to tape read for the general move you are wanting to catch per the Taylor 3 day cycle methodolgy. The daily chart would be used to confirm the integrity of the 3 day cycle. Lets say the daily chart on a SS day closes weak. You would expect a weak open on the next day and a possible continuation of the slide down. But, the next day is a buy day. So you are looking to go long after the slide down stops providing it happens early in the session. So it may open on the buy day at the low of the previous day (SS day) since it closed at its low on the SS day). Just because the open on the buy day was at the objective doesn't mean you immediatley jump in. Why? The market close weak on the SS day and that weakness might continue on down some on the buy day before any rally starts. It could trade right through your objective point so you want to wait for the intraday move down to stop before taking your long entry. So you would want to tape read intraday looking for the entry point. Remember, Taylor gives the general expected moves in the 3 day cycle. The daily tape confirms the cycle. The intraday tape determines the exact entry. So, to fine tune entries and exits you tape read intraday. So, if it is a buy day and you know the objective is to go long at or through the low of the previous day if made early in the session then you would want to tape read intraday perhaps on a 5 minute chart to fine tune your entry remembering that the daily chart showed a weak close on the previous day SS day. So you go long when you see a reversal after the objective has been reached or surpassed. Just before the reversal the market may stall and become "dull". But you do not want to jump in unless that dullness turns into a reversal because you don't to go long in a downtrend on a dull spot especially, if the dull spot is a pullback. If the dull spot meanders sideways for several bars ESTABLISHING a sideways range then that is generally good and indicative of it breaking out north when it does breakout because some buying is taking place before the reversal. But one would wait for the reversal to actually take place before jumping in. If the dullness is on a fairly good size pullback without much of a sideway move (say just a few bars...3 to 5) then that can be dangerous to go long at that dull spot because most likely it will soon resume the downward trend some more... hence the old saying "never go long in a dull market in a downtrend." I hope I haven't confused the issue on "dull markets". You have to understand what Taylor mean't when he speaks of dull markets.Since he doesn't go into detail about it you have to look at other traders explanations of what these ole sayings mean't to them in that time and place. That is why in an uptrend don't sell (short) a dull spot it is referring to dull spots in pullbacks on uptrends. This will become clearer as I post more. All "dull spots have to be tape read to determine if the probabilities favor taking a position. This is all part and parcel of tape reading entries/exits. You have to tape read any pull backs or sideways movement to determine probabilities of price direction when the breakout does indeed occur.
  27. 1 point
    WHY?

    Beyond Taylor

    He is talking about the opening price as related to the buying or selling objectives. For instance: We know that the BEST and ideal buying day objective is to buy on a low made early in the session and one that penetrates the low of the previous day i.e. the SS day (previous session). That is, it makes a lower low and does so early in the session p 74 par 4; p9 par 6; p10 par5; p11 par4; p12 par 5; p29 par 6,7,8. So what he is saying here is that many times the opening price on this buying day will already be a penetration of the previous days (SS day) low. You can get a hint or indication if this is likely to happen by watching the "close" of the previous session (SSday). Was the close near the low of the day? Are prices in a downtrend or range? If downtrend and close near low then chances are the open on the next day will have already penetrated the low of the SS day or will at least make the low FIRST in the session. Now on days where there are HB's on a BUY day (higher bottoms on buying days p30 pr3&9) then the low on a buying day will NOT penetrate the low of the previous day (SS day) and the low that is made will generally be made late in the session, but not always. The hint for probable HB being made is when prices are ALREADY in a rally (uptrend) on a SS day and the close is high and strong on the SS day. That indicates the rally will continue up early in the session on the next day (Buy day) and when the decline starts it may not go down below (penetrate) the low of the previous day (SS day). HB's are usually profitable. With Taylor you can go long on a buy day low made first. Also, a HB on a buy day (generally made later in the session). And on a BV on a SELL day (the low of the sell day trades under the low of the previous day i.e. the buy day and does so early in the session like within first two hours of the open). On buy day you can short a high made first ideally on a penetration (to the upside) of the previous day (ss day). You may get a failure to penetrate in this case but if the objective is made first (in this case high made first on a buy day) then it is ok to short it. What is the hint that the shorting objective on a buy day might happen first? Simply a strong close on the previous SS day. That is an indication to be looking at a short position right off the bat after the open on the buy day. In summary, when Taylor says "Many times the opening price will be your Buying or Selling Objective on a penetration or failure to penetrate" what he is simply saying is that the objective is made on the open and one has to be johnny on the spot so to speak and take immediate action to take a postion or get out of a position without undue waiting around. For instance, prices are in a trading range. SS day closes low. The open on the next session is BELOW the low of the SSday. This then would be a penetration (to the downside) on the open. You would immediately look to go long. You might wait a few minutes but don't tarry. If no further breakout of the trading range to the downside is forthcoming then one would certainly look at taking a long position quickly because prices will probally soon start trading back up. The opening price MET the buying objective in this case. Basically, the statement you referenced applies to ANY objective (buying or selling) in the Taylor scheme of things. Another example: Taylor recommends going long on a buy day with a low made first and selling that long on the next day (sell day) once the high of the previous day (buy day) has been penetrated. So, suppose one buys the low made first on a buy day. All day long prices trade up..looks like it will close strong...so you hold your postion overnight. Next day price opens ABOVE the high of the previous day (buy day). You immediatley sell your long position because the objective (a penetration of the buy day high) was made ON THE OPENING PRINT. Of course, the final trigger isn't just that the objective has been met but the "tape" indicates entry and exits once the objective has been reached. For instance, in this last example say it opened higher than the previous day session (buy day) and I was long from the buy day I "may not" immediately sell (even though the objective has been reached) IF the tape indicates that prices will trade up more. This is why I have said that taylor has to be used with tape reading skills to be to be able to wring the best out of it. Maybe I have confused more? WHY?
  28. 1 point
    WHY?

    Beyond Taylor

    I think you may be confusing some issues here. Taylor believed the market to be manipulated over a 3 day period. During that 3 day period there would be opportunities for two type of actions. 1) Going long and selling that long position 2) Shorting and cover that short position. For instance, you can take advantage of action number 1 above on three occasions: Low made first on a buy day. In this case you sell the long on the next day or same day if you are daytrading. The next occasion for going long and selling that long was on a Day 2 of the cycle i.e. a SELL if early in the session a low is made below the low of the previous day (which would be a buy day) then you go LONG and sell that long on any good rally back to or through the low of the previous day (low of that buy day). You must complete this action the same day and not hold overnight. The third opportunity for action number 1 is on a BUY day say it doesn't trade down very well at all but near the end of the day it has held a higher low than that of the previous day (ss day) then you can take a long position. This is called buying a higher bottom on BUY day. Taylor says it is usually profitable. But generally you would hold this position until a decline starts which could be the next day or even the followoing SS day. In summary, I have just described to you 3 times which Taylor espoused taking and a long position and selling it over the course of the 3 day cycle. You can't just simply fit the actions into phases and call it a shorting phase or a long phase. Why is this? Well I have just explained that there are two long opportunies presented on the buy day and one long opportunity presented on the Sell day. You take every which one actually works out in the market. Now look at shorting opportunities. Taylor says you can short a high made first early in the session on a buy day and cover it the same day. You can short also on a SS day on a high made first and cover the same day or the next day. Look at my post #216 again. It was a buy day. It closed high on the previous day. That means that odds favored a decline in the next trading session (buy day 4-2). Therefore, I was looking to employ action # 2 above FIRST on this buy day. That is, I was looking to short on a decline made first then reverse and go long on action number one, occasion number 1, mentioned above. That is, I was anticipating the market being to be taken down first on the buy day 4-2 (why? well because it closed high on the previous day). Then I was anticipating a market reversal thus giving me an opportunity to cover my short and to take a long opportunity per occasion #1 under action number #1. Maybe I haven't confused the issue even more for you. In summary you can't just divide it up into a shorting phase and a long phase. You can go long or short on the very same BUY day. There are no shorting phases and buying phases. There are only shorting opportunties and buying opportunities and they are multiple and they occur over the three day cycle.There are no mini campaigns. There are only shorting and long opportunities over a 3 day period. Hope this explanation helps.
  29. 1 point
    WHY?

    Beyond Taylor

    You are welcome. I have never tried adapting Taylor that way but my guess would be that it may work. I have just never been interested in investing in long term trends. I have adapted his method on intraday charts and seen some promising stuff down to 15 minute charts. Perhaps there is an element of human nature (as markets do reflect that) and perhaps Taylor discovered a manifestation of that in a 3 day cycle senario. Humphrey Neil in Tape reading and Market tactics said "the ticker tape is simply a record of human nature passing in review". I suppose if it does record human nature on a minute by minute basis it would also on a 5 min chart...15 minute..daily..or weekly..even monthly. The old timers of course read the tape from a ticker machine which served pretty much the same as a time and sales screen of this age but on a much slower basis. However, what I find interesting when these old timers discuss tape reading they do it from a chart and use a chart to show examples. Therefore, that makes me think; can the tape be read from a chart? That is, can the chart be considered a useful, grafical, representation of the ticker tape/time and sales and in itself be called "the tape". I decided it was so. Therefore, I call this classical tape reading. It really isn't the way they "read" the tape in those days but it is the way they "explained" the tape. See, if the ticker machine and time and sales can be seen as small increments of the tape why couldn't the tape be seen in a larger way such as a chart. After all, the chart is a representation of the ticker/time and sales. Cliff Drokes thought along these same lines and mentioned it in his book tape reading for the 21st century. A quick look at the old timers. Neil, Gann, Wycoff..their explanations of the tape were done in chart form. Actually, Tom Williams work does the same thing. It is reading the tape in the form of charts looking for institutional activity. So anyway, when I refer to reading the tape in some of my posts I mean all the way from the time and sales/DOM/Orderflow to a hybrid version of reading the tape from charts. Of course, the DOM/Orderflow/time and sale is basically meaningless when you are talking about a trend of several weeks. Gann (in The Truth of the Stock Market Tape) read and explained the tape for these sort of longer trends from a chart. The time and sale/DOM/orderflow have gotton so fast now days (unlike the ticker tape of days gone by) that with algos and all the HFT out there the tape moves faster and faster (even at a nano second level) that the human eye cannot pick it up. Some daytraders/scalpers have taken to using computers to help them read them tape and stitch back up big orders that have been broken up to hide footprints..etc. However, in the final analysis the product of the tape volume/price shows up on a chart. So, I have taken to reading the tape from the charts. I say all this about tape reading because it is my belief that to be able to use Taylor properly it will require not just a knowledge of the cycles ..etc... but also a knowledge of how to read the tape from a chart. That is how one is going to conclude if a decline has stopped at a probable Taylor Low or a Taylor High has been reached. Or failed to reach it. It helps one to anticipate failures to penetrate previous days cycles and stopping point for declines and rallies. Just calculating the average of Taylors decline/rallies...coupled with the three day cycle theory etc isn't enough to get the job done. I know this to be so. Taylor himself mentioned several times about reading the tape so I know that he did so in conjunction with all his analysis and averages and figures. He basically clocked the market like one would clock a slot machine but his final pull from the trigger came from tape reading. That is why for years I have talked about in my Taylor posts when I say my entry here or exit there depends on the tape. Most folks never catch it or maybe they don't understand the tape? That is why I listed those books in my pompous post as my intent was to give some resources to folks where they could learn about tape reading from what I call a classical view i.e. a chart. IT IS THE FINE TUNING OF THE TAYLOR METHODOLOGY. Trust me Taylor will only work well if one can read the tape for entries. On less than ideal day cycles one will miss the trend if they can't read the tape. Take my last Taylor chart (I refer you to post #216 and the post #212 anticipating the price action of #216). It was an ideal Taylor taylor BUY day. The market is taken down overnight for a shorting opportunity and I said that was what I was looking and I expected it in the night session (re-read my post #212..this was made before the fact). Then, when the day session started we had the reversal and a chance to go long and make a killing. But notice something here. The low didn't make it to the taylor projected low of 3-30 1395.75 or 1394.56.... my softaware forecast. The reversal came. If I couldn't read the tape and see that the reversal was here then I would have waited around for the market to make the Taylor projected low and I would have missed the move up. So, it was an ideal Taylor BUY day in terms of the Taylor Strategy (look to short and go long) and the direction (take the market down then back up early in the session) BUT it WAS NOT an ideal Taylor BUY day in terms of the projected low. Nor in terms of the projected high. My software projected a high of 1406.19 when the actually high after that great rally was 1419.75. Nothing but tape reading would have kept me in the Taylor moves for that day in spite of the facts that the direction being right and the short/long opportunities being righ (as not all Taylor buy days give a short/long opportunity.) This is a long way around the block to answer your question but me thinks it may be relevant to your question. So........ It is possible there could be a 3 week cycle? Or a 3 month cycle? Me thinks it is possible but then again tape reading, in the sense that I am discussed above,..well...it will be necessary as the time/sale/dom/ will be totally irrelevant to a 3 week cycle. You will have to use the sort of tape reading I am talking about. As much as some people don't like Tom Williams and VSA he did have alot of good stuff that is useful for tape reading. Wiliams is good too in the sense that this sort of tape reading I am talking about requires an analysis of the spread. The size of the spread says alot about the tape. The volume of trading on that spread size says alot too. We have volume and we have price and price spread and open and closing. I have never understood why pure price action people want to leave out that piece of important data, namely, volume. It tells how the price was made. And indicates the value of the price in terms of money and money is what moves the market. You and I don't move the markets. Institutions move the markets. And their foot print is the volume. Anyway I better shut up about volume. I will say two more things about volume. To read the tape like I talk about in this post one will have to take volume into consideration. The second thing is IF anything is a leading indicator it is VOLUME. I ahve nothing like it that helps me better detect probable future price action. Of course it can be wrong sometimes simply because institutions can be wrong sometimes. And institutions are battling out with each other and they all approach the market in their own way. One institution may start aggressive buying and that pushes the price up when a stronger one beings shorting and wins out. Either way the story is told in the tape (chart). And so much faking out goes on. Make the market look weak to drive down a few ticks so they can really buy at a discount price because their real plan is to take the market up. As much as some don't like Gann his book I mentioned it as being useful and especially Drokes book. Also,Silver mentioned Neils book which I had somehow left out but yes, it is important too. Why don't you make some books up on on these longer time frames and let us know what you find out? For those that are interested in extreme scalping based on tape reading the order flow and using a computer to do so can take a look at jigsaw trading. Google it. I have absolutely nothing to do with jigsaw so please mitt don't think that. I mention them as a resource only. For trading order flow from DOM look at NO BS Trading by John Grady. However, this sort of tape reading is very short-term and for scalping and isn't relevant to Taylor trading. It can be somewhat useful for scalping via Brooks methods if one likes to scalp and take longer Taylor positions also like I like to do. Hope all this makes sense. Probally won't be back for a bit. Why?
  30. 1 point
    WHY?

    Beyond Taylor

    Well guys I may disappear for a few weeks. I gotta do some other things and all this posting takes time and I ain't very bright so I have to peck the keyboard. I'll check back in occasionally and maybe add a post here and there. Just study the charts and posts and you will see how I trade Taylor and scalp at the same time. Why let time waste? Do both, if you think you might like scalping. Anyway, hope something was said that helps someone. Trading can be kept simple but it is hard work. I try to keep it simple for me and uncluttered but use these techiques that allow me to scalp, and trade the Taylor moves, at the same time. Here is forecast for tomm. It is a SS day in my Taylor count. I see it trading up first. It may or may not penetrate the high of 3-29 of 1404 but who knows. If it trades up early and gets close to 1404 I read the tape using techniques I gleaned from Arms, Taylor, Gann, Williams, Brooks, Droke and a few others. That would take too long to explain but in short I let the tape dictate to me my entry point. My pre-market Taylor analysis gives me a view on what may happen and helps me determine the day of the cycle. But the tape tells the real and final story so I fine tune my entries to it as I make my Taylor entries and exits. Anyway, the Taylor strategy calls for shorting any penetration of 1404 once the tape indicates it to be good to do so. My forecast give three possible highs with the highest being 1407.16. IF the price action takes place early in the session. If it doesn't make it early (like during night session or first couple hours after day session) then short when the decline begins but that will take some tape reading skills to determine that. If it makes or penetrates the high in the night session and looks like it may continue on up then I would wait and see how it goes and maybe even wait for the day session before shorting. However, if I think the high was made in the night session I will not hestitate to short in the night session. Whatever, happens if you take a short position on a SS day always be flat by the end of the day. That is Taylors rules. If there is no decline then pass on any Taylor trade for that day unless you have a mechanism that lets you recalculate the days on a the fly and work on the new info. My scalping techiques .....well most can be found in Brooks 3 volume set. One can then make minor modifications/adjustments. Anyone interested in scalping 1 to 3 points multiple times per day ....well I would strongly suggest they study Brooks well. Read his books several times. Don't buy his first book. Very hard to understand. Go to Amazon and order his new three volume set. You can also get them on PDF from Wiley Books, I believe. Mark them up. Study them for months. Next trade his concepts on a sim for 3 to 6months every day until you can get convinced. Then go live. He claims all you need to make money in the markets are in his 3 volume set. That is a bold statement. But, he is correct. However, it does take time and practice to get good at it (Brooks methodolgy). Don't think you will read the 3 vol in 3 weeks and start make money trading. You will have to study his techniques over and over and trade on a sim over and over until they become second nature. Please don't forget to use the 89 SMA and the 20 EMA if you scalp. The first is a concept I give you to help in scalping. Please use it. Don't just trust your eyeballs. Watch the relationship between the 2 MA's, their relationship to price and the distance they are from each other and from price. They tell a story about the trend and you generally want to be scalping the trend. They will give you some confidence if you feel a bit disoriented one day while scalping. If you scalp counter trend then you better be nimble as jack on your feet and don't take much. Grab what it gives you and move on. Scalping WITH trend produces much more high probability, and safe scalps. To Learn Classical Tape Reading then read and study: 1) Tom Williams (The Undeclared Secrets that Drive the Stock Market on.. the net as a pdf or buy his book Master the Market..you don't need the VSA software. Just learn the concepts) 2) Gann (the Truth of the Stock Market Tape..can be gotton at libraries) 3) Tape Reading for the 21st Century by Cliff Drokes..buy directly from his website as Amazon will charge you an arm and a leg. Cliff has it for under 20.00) 4) Brooks books for a view on what I would call classical tape reading bar by bar (thats not pub by pub for you UK people) using candlesticks. Of course, his books also to learn great scalping techiques. He also has a website ..brookspriceaction I believe it is. 5) Rollo Tape and other books by same author 6) Of course, the Livermore Remin. book is a great read and worth reading multiple times 8) ARMS Equivolume for some concepts on Volume. I think there is a ARMS website with some free downloads. One download is called Armsbookwcontents.pdf. I don't remember the site. If you can't find it with google send me a private message and I will help. 8) Finally don't forget Taylor. His book can be found at Traders press but I also like the pdf version (can be bought at Traders press and much cleaner than the free scanned version floating around on the net) and use the free PDF-Viewer program (google download and install) to mark it up and make notes on my digital copy. My hard copy is falling apart after so many years of reading and marking. All of the above are worth studing to learn the art of tape reading from a chart as opposed to tape reading on the DOM or time and sales..etc. These concepts propounded in these books will help you tremendously in developing a skill for tape reading from a chart which will in turn help you pick correct entries for Taylor trading. If you pick wrong entries for Taylor trading you will be forced to go through big drawdowns. If you get the day of the cycle wrong you won't make as much money as you could have made but Taylor will still work for you. I just can't stand big drawdowns. I do not like the pain. I grovel over a substancial loss.. paper or real. I hate losses.. paper or real. I know I have to accept them but STILL I do not like them and try my hardest to have as few as I can but when necessary I will quickly take a small loss knowing I can always get back in. And small losses don't eat at me. I have had my share of big losses in my journey and they eat at me for days and weeks on end. Tape reading from charts is a skill that takes time to develop. Give yourself 2 to 3 years to practice it well. But, you need the basic concepts planted in your brain. The books I just mentioned will give you those concepts. You have to plant them in your own brain. Nobody else can, or will, do that for you. Once they are planted there, and you have practiced them long enough, they will become second nature..like riding a bicyle. You will not have to think about every concept. Your brain will drive the car and do that for you. But that will take a few years to develop IF you work hard at it. But, the payoff is worth the effort. One more thing. Pick one or two things to trade and learn those instruments well. Do not jump around from market to market. Pick one or two as you plant the conepts in your brain and practice them. Why? Your brain will automatically learn the style of movements in those markets and will begin to correlate the concepts you are learning and apply them in that particular market. If at first, while learning the concepts, you jump from market to market it will take you much longer to learn how to apply them. After a few years you will be able to apply them in most any market. Spend alot of screen time just watching your one or two markets with nothing but 5 minute chart and the two moving averages, with volume. Please overcome any "I don't need volume to trade mindset"..Alot of that is out there on forums but please just think about it. Volume represents money..big money. Why would you want to ignore that element in your trading? Don't try to trade at first. Just get the screen time in. Hours and hours. Days and days. You are training your brain to pick out the patterns of that particular market. Then, when you begin to apply the concepts you have been studying you won't have to be conciously trying to decide if this move will continue or not. Your brain will let you know the probabilities. Get alot of just screen time in. If you work a regular job just record the sessions and watch them on weekends over and over...not even trying to apply watch you are learning. That will come later. You are just training your brain to pick out and read the movements of one or two instruments. Later you will apply what you are learning on a sim and then after that live Look guys if I can do it most anyone can. I didn't finish college. I read alot but but am not that smart. Really. Just your average bloke as you people in the UK might say. Trade well, see you around.
  31. 1 point
    smmatrix

    Best Automated Trading Platform

    There's no future with those automated trading systems. They are made by marketers to grab your money, not by traders. Trading is hard work. Trading is an art which must be mastered over time. In all my trading years, I have seen many automated systems. They all crash and burn at some point, however, there were two systems that showed promise... They had huge drawdowns which exceeded 45%. That's a deal killer for me as my maximum allowed DD is 15%. It's best to learn how to trade "manually" first, as a profitable trader for several years, before you consider automation. Just sayin' My two centavos.
  32. 1 point
    first i must state that i consider optimization as the mother of all f**kups. Having said that, the best tools are both Ninjatrader and matlab Matlab, when one has the ability to program at a certain level, goes beyond anything. For quick and dirty (and for people not familiar with programming) NinjaTrader is excellent. I have the opportunity to use NT7 and indeed solves a lot of problems regarding resources use. Two additional interesting programs for system design are quant developer and rightedge But I repeat the best actually is matlab
  33. 1 point
    thalestrader

    Taylor Trading Technique

    I agree. I've been trading TTT for fair amount of time. I have always found that most folks who fail to understand Taylor fail largely because they are fixated on the cycle, rather than on how Taylor uses where price is in relation to Support and Resistance. For example, I have rarely, if ever, read anyone here mention the "objective Point," a concept Taylor uses without which you will not succeed with Taylor's method, at least not as Taylor himself understood his own teachings. It is precisely this failure to appreciate Taylor's understanding of trading price action that leads folks to assume that the cycle needs repeatedly to be "re-set" or "adjusted" as George Angell famously (or infamously) suggested is necessary. If one were instead to view the cycle not as a set of strict trading rules, but rather as Taylor intended it, i.e. as a critical apparatus through which to view and interpret price action around significant support and resistance levels, i.e. Taylor's objective points, then one would also no doubt understand that for Taylor it is not nearly so simple as buying on Buy Day, selling on Selling Day, and shorting on Short Sale Day. Indeed, a close reading of Taylor will reveal that Taylor clearly (insofar as he can be accused of clarity at all) taught that the trader will at times buy on a Short Sale day and Sell Short on a Buy Day, but unlike George Angell and more than a few forum posters, both here at TL and elsewhere, those circumstances do not override the trading cycle. For example, let me quote Taylor concerning just such circumstances: 1) "In the case of a Higher Buying Day Low, the stock or future shows support causing a rally and a strong close on the Short Sale Day - the decline from this rally, next day, on the Buying Day, fails to sell down to the previous low - the Short Sale Day Low - this rally on the Short Sale day is an indication of a Higher Buy Day Bottom" and 2) "A Short Sale put out at the High of a Buying Day made FIRSTon the penetration of the Short Sale Day High, should be covered on the reaction ... for short selling on the Buying Day High made FIRST is generally a weak short sale." To really benefit from Taylor's method, one needs to see that the cycle, in and of itself, is useless without an accute awareness of price - especially where price is in relation to the open, and more importantly, where price is in relation to immediately prior highs and prior lows and previous closes. After all, what does Taylor keep in his book but a record of PRICE high, PRICE low, and the closing PRICE, and whether PRICE made its high or low first. The primary data from which all else in his Book (meaning the hand written Book he kept for trading and not the book he published about his method) consists of (Surprise! Surpise!) volume, opening price, high price, low price, and closing price. As is the case with all indicators, methods, systems, etc. anything that may be useful to making trading decisions will be derived from price. The true value and genius of Taylor's method, properly applied, is that it focuses the trader on specific price levels and price action, i.e. how price behaves around those levels, and how to anticipate in which direction the path of least resistance lay. As an aside, when Ed Dobson chose to publish Taylor's method, he did no one anywhere any favors by not only publishing Angell's and Raschke's interpretations of the method in the same volume, but then he went farther by suggesting in the publisher's forward that readers skip reading Taylor first, if not altogether, and simply read Angell's and Raschke's essays! What a mistake! This is, no doubt, one reason why most traders who approach Taylor become enamored of the trading cycle, and ignore price action, support and resistance, completly ignoring Taylor's objective points, as Angell in particular focuses squarely on the trading cycle in his essay on Taylor's method. Of course, another reason so many focus on the cycle and not the whole of Taylor's discussion on trading price action is that traders always want the easy money. How nice would it be if it really were so simple as buying on a buy day, holding overnight and selling soon after the open on the selling day for a nice profit, and then go short on the short sale day, cover at the close, again for a nice profit, and then start it all over again the next day by again going long on the subsequent buy day! If only trading were that easy! Angell was the one who first suggested that cycles need to be shifted from time to time. Let us all remember that Angell was selling a primitive computer software program using the Taylor method (dubbed LSS by Angell) and as Taylor's method is a discretionary method, Angell's project to automate trading signals from Taylor necessarily broke down. Angell could only make his program marginally salable by allowing the program to periodically re-set its cycle. The Book Method, you see, is meant for human intelligence, not artificial intelligence. As a further aside, anyone interested can quickly verify that Angell was fined by the CFTC/NFA (http://www.cftc.gov/opa/enf02/opa4628-02.htm) for his sale of and claims made on behalf of his LSS method and his computerized trading system. Why anyone would depend upon an essay that was originally intended as a piece of sales literature for what amounted to a faulty and fraudulent computer trading system scheme for his or her understanding of Taylor's (a real trader, by the way) method is beyond me. But those who insist that the cycle is anything other than a three day affair, or that it otherwise is in constant need of periodic adjustment is doing preciely that - interpreting Taylor's Trading Method through the lens of a fraud and a propagandist. In the end, it is always all about price. If its not about price, then it is about fear, greed, and EGO. Best Wishes, Thales
  34. 1 point
    marketguy

    Bid-Ask Tape Indicator

    mrsushi, You are a good guy. And there are lots of truly great and generous people in the trading world. I have met and continue to meet tons of them. As per Hubert and John, they are great salesmen (or at least Hubert is). Nobody is perfect. We all manipulate the facts, at times. Sure, Hubert is looking a little sleazy these days. And some in this forum will call them greedy. But, the bottom line is, are they providing a valuable service? Are people's education in trading really deepening and their results improving. We all start from the simple. We just want some arrows to tell us when to get in and when to get out. In time, after painful losses, we learn (or never learn) that it isn't that simple. We (hopefully) learn that we need to understand how the market works and we need to learn to read that dynamic movement. John and Hubert's motivations and priorities are in question. They seem to add more and more to the mix so that they can make more money. Any of those indicators (tools) they are offering can be used to positive purpose. I use some of them. But, I never use them in the often cut and dried way that those guys teach. I use them as information only. But, adding so much also muddies the waters, and I think that teachers should make it their priority to clear the waters. To help their students get to a deeper place of understanding. It has taken me over two years of indicator search/hell to start to understand that they are best used as training wheels or, at best, guides. The story is truly in the price action and volume. So Hubert, as someone who is primarily a tape reader, knows this. Yet, he is constantly pushing all these training wheels. And offering simplistic techniques that work great sometimes but can never work consistently. Getting back to your actions of posting the free indicators on the TTM site, I commended you on your boldness. I didn't think I knew knew you well enough to point out, what may be considered by some, your stupidity. Because, over all, I admire your action. Of course, they would get rid of the post ASAP. And, your relations with them are now different. And, you may be blackballed. But, you performed a service. And, hopefully, some people there took notice. We're all learning together. And your contribution (even though J and H might not like it) helps the greater community. And, in the end, that's what matters most. Whew. Long-winded response, huh? Take care. Bryan
  35. 1 point
    It really depends on the persons passion for the markets. One year is definitely not the norm. Your friend has done an amazing job in just one year. It took me 2 years of intense studying and trading to get to where I am. I was quite a journey. I would say on average it takes 2-3 years before one can start trading for a living. This is just my opinion, I am sure some may find me a slow learner.
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