Jump to content

Welcome to the new Traders Laboratory! Please bear with us as we finish the migration over the next few days. If you find any issues, want to leave feedback, get in touch with us, or offer suggestions please post to the Support forum here.

  • Welcome Guests

    Welcome. You are currently viewing the forum as a guest which does not give you access to all the great features at Traders Laboratory such as interacting with members, access to all forums, downloading attachments, and eligibility to win free giveaways. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free. Create a FREE Traders Laboratory account here.

Recommended Posts

Are they acutally labeled correctly? Isn't the first one also non-dom?

 

--

innersky

 

The Second Lateral (the 'non-dom' labled example) does not conform to the examples in The Lateral Formation Drill (and follow up). Understand why it does not.

 

- Spydertrader

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Yes.

 

 

 

No.

 

rs5 has labelled the laterals based on the direction (Dom vs Non-Dom) of Bar 1.

 

- Spydertrader

 

I presumed in the past that the dominant lateral always exited in the opposite direction, and the non-domainant lateral in the same direction.

 

Does the difference have something to do with the lateral boundary test?

 

--

innersky

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I presumed in the past that the dominant lateral always exited in the opposite direction, and the non-domainant lateral in the same direction.

 

Your statement provides an excellent example for seeing how the process of differentiation works.

 

You have created a 'working hypothesis' (presumption, thought, guess) - and one which you can look to the market to see whether or not the market concurs with your assessment. At 9:45 this morning, the market created yet another one of these example laterals (in the same fashion as The Lateral Formation Drill [and follow up]). Bar 1 (of today's formation) moved in the dominant direction. Price did exit this specific Lateral Formation in the opposite direction to Bar 1 (just as you anticipated). However, looking at The Lateral Formation Drill (and follow up), we can see that your hypothesis is not always proven correct. As such, something else must be at work here.

 

Does the difference have something to do with the lateral boundary test?

 

As humans, we use words to convey a thought or idea, but we also use words to portray certain characteristics of objects in certain ways (we attempt to 'paint a mental picture' in the 'mind's eye' of the listener). Perhaps, we can reword your statement here in an effort to paint a more accurate representation of what information is really important, while at the same time, provide an easy solution for avoiding any lingering confusion moving forward.

 

Rather than saying, "the market tests the Lateral Boundary created at Bar 1," subsitute the words, "the market creates the Lateral Boundary with Bar 1." Now, run this test across both examples under discussion (as well as other examples from The Lateral Formation Drill (and follow up). Does each example conform do this definition? Does today's (9:45 AM)?

 

Lastly, once one has determined the exact similarities of things, then one can look for the differences which indicate what must come next. Using the above (re-worded) defintion, everyone should be able to create (in their mind's eye and on paper) three possible examples of a Lateral which conforms to the examples provided in The Lateral Formation Drill (and follow up), but also represent entirely different things from each other. These differences (combined with order of events and context) tell the trader exactly what the market needs to provide.

 

HTH.

 

- Spydertrader

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Today's 9:45 lateral boundary was created by 9:55 bar with a decreasing volume.

 

Good. Now, set aside Volume (for just a moment) and determine if all of the examples under discussion form in the exact same (as our reworded definition) way. Those that do not form in such a fashion fall into a different pile. Next, look at context (VE's, declining pace or accelerating pace, etc.), and finally, check the order of events. Can you 'see' a completed Volume Cycle before the formation of the Lateral?

 

Now, bring Volume back into the analysis. Price moving in the dominant direction (after a completed Volume Sequence) on decreasing Volume tells you a very specific thing.

 

10:05 bar tried to break the boundary but failed and price exited the other direction.

 

There is no try to, attempts to, or 'makes an effort to' do something. In a binary world there is only does or does not.

 

Did the market do that which was anticipated? Then a reason must exist for it to have done so. Locate the reason (as we have done here), and you'll know exactly what to expect the very next time the market provides the same scenario.

 

HTH.

 

- Spydertrader

Edited by Spydertrader
punctuation error

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

SpyderTrader,

 

Thanks for your pointers. I will look deeper into the drills to do more analysis.

 

Looking at the volume from end of last Friday, today started with decreasing volume going into the lateral which was a non-dom retrace going from PT2 to PT3. There must be a increasing down volume to complete the cycle. This is what happened when the price broke downward with increasing red volume.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I will look deeper into the drills to do more analysis.

 

Just be careful not to overcomplicate things. Review the posts over the last 24 hours while looking at a screen shot of the various examples. Everything should fall right into place with respect to which of the things belong together - and which do not. For now, we want to stay focused on this specific type of Lateral (from the Lateral Formation Drill (and follow up) setting aside (for another day and time) those which do not conform.

 

Step by step, and piece by piece, one can then learn to differentiate that which one believes exists from that which the market has actually provide.

 

- Spydetrader

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
10:05 bar tried to break the boundary but failed and price exited the other direction.

 

Not to throw this off topic, but the OB broke (FBO) the bottom boundary 1st, then reversed up to the top of the lateral, and closed below the open.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Can you 'see' a completed Volume Cycle before the formation of the Lateral?

- Spydertrader

Unfortunately, no. Would you be kind enough to point it out?

 

Thanks

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
At 9:45 this morning, the market created yet another one of these example laterals (in the same fashion as The Lateral Formation Drill [and follow up]). Bar 1 (of today's formation) moved in the dominant direction. Price did exit this specific Lateral Formation in the opposite direction to Bar 1 (just as you anticipated).

 

I don't understand why the 1st bar of this lateral is dominant, and had categorized it as non-dominant because it was a 2 to 3 of the previous down move ending 16:05 Friday. And it closed in the presumed non-dom direction.

 

Are you saying 16:05 to 10:05 was a dominant move and not a non-dom retrace, with the lateral's 1st bar closing dominant (long)?

 

Or is it Dominant for it's fractal only?

 

Or Dominant because the first part of the bar made a lower low 1st (and 16:05 to 10:05 was non-dom) in the dominant direction?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Can you 'see' a completed Volume Cycle before the formation of the Lateral?

 

Unfortunately, no. Would you be kind enough to point it out?

 

Start with 16:05 PM (of the previous market day) and (of course) remove the overnight gap.

 

Everyone should then have the ability to walk through Points 1, 2 & 3 (B2B 2R 2B), or at bare minimum find B2B. If anyone cannot perform this task, then they do not fully comprehend this post and its accompanying attachment.

 

Focus on the words, and not just the picture.

 

Please note: I did not provide a 'word' associated with this particular container. Since the market exists within a fractal framework, we shouldn't need to. Please resist the urge to define the container itself. Instead focus on that which must build all containers, and then (at some point in the future) differentiate the containers from each other (just as we did this morning with a lateral).

 

- Spydertrader

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Start with 16:05 PM (of the previous market day) and (of course) remove the overnight gap.

 

Everyone should then have the ability to walk through Points 1, 2 & 3 (B2B 2R 2B), or at bare minimum find B2B.

- Spydertrader

 

Is this the B2B2R2B to which you refer?

20100125clip.png.d29a425ff8053b956d5277176744c2ce.png

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I don't understand why the 1st bar of this lateral is dominant, and had categorized it as non-dominant because it was a 2 to 3 of the previous down move ending 16:05 Friday. And it closed in the presumed non-dom direction.

 

Isn't context a wonderful thing?

 

Certainly you'll agree (based on the fact that the market itself exists on a fractal basis) that even a non-dominant move (of a slower thing) must be built by a Full (Dom to Non-Dom to Dom) Cycle of a faster thing. Unless (and until) the faster thing completes its required order of events, the slower thing cannot continue.

 

Are you saying 16:05 to 10:05 was a dominant move and not a non-dom retrace, with the lateral's 1st bar closing dominant (long)?

 

I have simply attempted to remind you of that which you already know - a Non-Dominant move (Up) must contain components which complete a certain order of events - irrespective of the number of fractals faster it creates across the entire movement. The Lateral in question represents a Dominant lateral because it develops in the same direction in which the market has shown dominance (in this specific case, B2B) and prior to the completion of the order of events required for this specific fractal.

 

Or is it Dominant for it's fractal only?

 

With nested fractals, all dominance changes prior to the completion of a slower fractal apply to the specific (faster) fractal being built.

 

Or Dominant because the first part of the bar made a lower low 1st (and 16:05 to 10:05 was non-dom) in the dominant direction?

 

Bar 1 (9:45) of this specific example closed in the same direction that the market provided dominance (in this specific case - B2B) for this specific fractal. The market did so prior to the formation of Bar 1 of this specific lateral.

 

Hence, we have a dominant lateral.

 

Now, in the words of Mr. Miyagi, show me B2B.

 

HTH.

 

- Spydertrader

 

karate_kid.jpg

Edited by Spydertrader
Spelling and Punctuation

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Is this the B2B2R2B to which you refer?

 

Close, but not quite. Your annotations progress into the next set of events

 

To give yourself a hint. Take a look at the YM for this period of time. Does it make things clearer?

 

Please note, this is not a recommendation to use the YM for trading signals (at this time), but rather, a suggestion to use the YM as a tool for locating that which some might find difficult to see.

 

- Spydertrader

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Is this the B2B2R2B to which you refer?

 

 

I have attached a blank chart with the gap removed. ( cookie all in fun )

 

There is a new code for this written by nkhoi for ninja ( no gap ) and can be found in the software for jh thread.

 

 

attachment.php?attachmentid=18291&stc=1&d=1264451639

5aa70fb437894_no_gapjan252010.thumb.jpg.2060349133bfc2f137fb0f6d84943272.jpg

cookie.jpg.95c1e3c968c1383ef75a464713f86def.jpg

Edited by TIKITRADER

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Close, but not quite. Your annotations progress into the next set of events

 

To give yourself a hint. Take a look at the YM for this period of time. Does it make things clearer?

- Spydertrader

YM suggests completion of a sequence at 09:54 but I fail to see how I should "see" a sequence completing on the ES at 09:55. At that time I have not had increasing B for the 2B.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
YM suggests completion of a sequence at 09:54 but I fail to see how I should "see" a sequence completing on the ES at 09:55. At that time I have not had increasing B for the 2B.

 

I refer you to this post earlier today ...

 

Price moving in the dominant direction (after a completed Volume Sequence) on decreasing Volume tells you a very specific thing.

 

Also, See Jokari Window.

 

- Spydertrader

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
How's this for b2b? Sequence ending at 9:55.

 

Nicely done, daniel san.

 

As long as your Gaussian line weights have indicated nothing more than direction (Dom to Non-Dom to Dom), then yes, you have outlined the correct order of events.

 

Remember, we have not given a name to this specific container as of yet. Make sure your Gaussian annotations do not inadvertantly give an incorrect name to something, which in reality, exists as an entirely different thing (thereby sending you mentally 'off fractal').

 

- Spydertrader

Edited by Spydertrader

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
This is what I have thrown together for that full cycle

 

I assume (do to the differences in shading [red vs gray] of your example laterals) you understand the second lateral represents the current discussion lateral example (whereas the first example does not).

 

Price did head higher before it closed lower than its open on bar 1 today

 

Winner. Winner. Chicken Dinner. A subtle difference for sure.

 

- Spydertrader

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
This is what I have thrown together for that full cycle

Price did head higher before it closed lower than its open on bar 1 today

 

I thought that the 2r had to close outside the b2b..... this is getting very subjective if we are going intrabar

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I refer you to this post earlier today ...

 

Also, See Jokari Window.

 

- Spydertrader

Unfortunately that post did not help me in any way because I have yet to understand what it is you are alluding to with respect to differentiating laterals. It now seems that the boundary of a lateral is defined by a bar within the lateral and something is implied by whether or not it has incr or decr volume. This could take forever..............

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Date: 11th July 2025.   Demand For Gold Rises As Trump Announces Tariffs!   Gold prices rose significantly throughout the week as investors took advantage of the 2.50% lower entry level. Investors also return to the safe-haven asset as the US trade policy continues to escalate. As a result, investors are taking a more dovish tone. The ‘risk-off’ appetite is also something which can be seen within the stock market. The NASDAQ on Thursday took a 0.90% dive within only 30 minutes.   Trade Tensions Escalate President Trump has been teasing with new tariffs throughout the week. However, the tariffs were confirmed on Thursday. A 35% tariff on Canadian imports starting August 1st, along with 50% tariffs on copper and goods from Brazil. Some experts are advising that Brazil has been specifically targeted due to its association with the BRICS.   However, the President has not directly associated the tariffs with BRICS yet. According to President Trump, Brazil is targeting US technology companies and carrying out a ‘witch hunt’against former Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro, a close ally who is currently facing prosecution for allegedly attempting to overturn the 2022 Brazilian election.   Although Brazil is one of the largest and fastest-growing economies in the Americas, it is not the main concern for investors. Investors are more concerned about Tariffs on Canada. The White House said it will impose a 35% tariff on Canadian imports, effective August 1st, raised from the earlier 25% rate. This covers most goods, with exceptions under USMCA and exemptions for Canadian companies producing within the US.   It is also vital for investors to note that Canada is among the US;’s top 3 trading partners. The increase was justified by Trump citing issues like the trade deficit, Canada’s handling of fentanyl trafficking, and perceived unfair trade practices.   The President is also threatening new measures against the EU. These moves caused US and European stock futures to fall nearly 1%, while the Dollar rose and commodity prices saw small gains. However, the main benefactor was Silver and Gold, which are the two best-performing metals of the day.   How Will The Fed Impact Gold? The FOMC indicated that the number of members warming up to the idea of interest rate cuts is increasing. If the Fed takes a dovish tone, the price of Gold may further rise. In the meantime, the President pushing for a 3% rate cut sparked talk of a more dovish Fed nominee next year and raised worries about future inflation.   Meanwhile, jobless claims dropped for the fourth straight week, coming in better than expected and supporting the view that the labour market remains strong after last week’s solid payroll report. Markets still expect two rate cuts this year, but rate futures show most investors see no change at the next Fed meeting. Gold is expected to finish the week mostly flat.       Gold 15-Minute Chart     If the price of Gold increases above $3,337.50, buy signals are likely to materialise again. However, the price is currently retracing, meaning traders are likely to wait for regained momentum before entering further buy trades. According to HSBC, they expect an average price of $3,215 in 2025 (up from $3,015) and $3,125 in 2026, with projections showing a volatile range between $3,100 and $3,600   Key Takeaway Points: Gold Rises on Safe-Haven Demand. Gold gained as investors reacted to rising trade tensions and market volatility. Canada Tariffs Spark Concern. A 35% tariff on Canadian imports drew attention due to Canada’s key trade role. Fed Dovish Shift Supports Gold. Growing expectations of rate cuts and Trump’s push for a 3% cut boosted the gold outlook. Gold Eyes Breakout Above $3,337.5. Price is consolidating; a move above $3,337.50 could trigger new buy signals. Always trade with strict risk management. Your capital is the single most important aspect of your trading business.   Please note that times displayed based on local time zone and are from time of writing this report.   Click HERE to access the full HFM Economic calendar.   Want to learn to trade and analyse the markets? Join our webinars and get analysis and trading ideas combined with better understanding of how markets work. Click HERE to register for FREE!   Click HERE to READ more Market news.   Michalis Efthymiou HFMarkets   Disclaimer: This material is provided as a general marketing communication for information purposes only and does not constitute an independent investment research. Nothing in this communication contains, or should be considered as containing, an investment advice or an investment recommendation or a solicitation for the purpose of buying or selling of any financial instrument. All information provided is gathered from reputable sources and any information containing an indication of past performance is not a guarantee or reliable indicator of future performance. Users acknowledge that any investment in Leveraged Products is characterized by a certain degree of uncertainty and that any investment of this nature involves a high level of risk for which the users are solely responsible and liable. We assume no liability for any loss arising from any investment made based on the information provided in this communication. This communication must not be reproduced or further distributed without our prior written permission.
    • Back in the early 2000s, Netflix mailed DVDs to subscribers.   It wasn’t sexy—but it was smart. No late fees. No driving to Blockbuster.   People subscribed because they were lazy. Investors bought the stock because they realized everyone else is lazy too.   Those who saw the future in that red envelope? They could’ve caught a 10,000%+ move.   Another story…   Back in the mid-2000s, Amazon launched Prime.   It wasn’t flashy—but it was fast.   Free two-day shipping. No minimums. No hassle.   People subscribed because they were impatient. Investors bought the stock because they realized everyone hates waiting.   Those who saw the future in that speedy little yellow button? They could’ve caught another 10,000%+ move.   Finally…   Back in 2011, Bitcoin was trading under $10.   It wasn’t regulated—but it worked.   No bank. No middleman. Just wallet to wallet.   People used it to send money. Investors bought it because they saw the potential.   Those who saw something glimmering in that strange orange coin? They could’ve caught a 100,000%+ move.   The people who made those calls weren’t fortune tellers. They just noticed something simple before others did.   A better way. A quiet shift. A small edge. An asymmetric bet.   The red envelope fixed late fees. The yellow button fixed waiting. The orange coin gave billions a choice.   Of course, these types of gains are rare. And they happen only once in a blue moon. That’s exactly why it’s important to notice when the conditions start to look familiar.   Not after the move. Not once it's on CNBC. But in the quiet build-up— before the surface breaks.   Enter the Blue Button Please read more here: https://altucherconfidential.com/posts/netflix-amazon-bitcoin-blue  Profits from free accurate cryptos signals: https://www.predictmag.com/ 
    • What These Attacks Look Like There are several ways you could get hacked. And the threats compound by the day.   Here’s a quick rundown:   Phishing: Fake emails from your “bank.” Click the link, give your password—game over.   Ransomware: Malware that locks your files and demands crypto. Pay up, or it’s gone.   DDoS: Overwhelm a website with traffic until it crashes. Like 10,000 bots blocking the door. Often used by nations.   Man-in-the-Middle: Hackers intercept your messages on public WiFi and read or change them.   Social Engineering: Hackers pose as IT or drop infected USB drives labeled “Payroll.”   You don’t need to be “important” to be a target.   You just need to be online.   What You Can Do (Without Buying a Bunker) You don’t have to be tech-savvy.   You just need to stop being low-hanging fruit.   Here’s how:   Use a YubiKey (physical passkey device) or Authenticator app – Ditch text message 2FA. SIM swaps are real. Hackers often have people on the inside at telecom companies.   Use a password manager (with Yubikey) – One unique password per account. Stop using your dog’s name.   Update your devices – Those annoying updates patch real security holes. Use them.   Back up your files – If ransomware hits, you don’t want your important documents held hostage.   Avoid public WiFi for sensitive stuff – Or use a VPN.   Think before you click – Emails that feel “urgent” are often fake. Go to the websites manually for confirmation.   Consider Starlink in case the internet goes down – I think it’s time for me to make the leap. Don’t Panic. Prepare. (Then Invest.)   I spent an hour in that basement bar reading about cyberattacks—and watching real-world systems fall apart like dominos.   The internet going down used to be an inconvenience. Now, it’s a warning.   Cyberwar isn’t coming. It’s here.   And the next time your internet goes out, it might not just be your router.   Don’t panic. Prepare.   And maybe keep a backup plan in your back pocket. Like a local basement bar with good bourbon—and working WiFi.   As usual, we’re on the lookout for more opportunities in cybersecurity. Stay tuned.   Author: Chris Campbell (AltucherConfidential) Profits from free accurate cryptos signals: https://www.predictmag.com/   
    • DUMBSHELL:  re the automation of corruption ---  200,000 "Science Papers" in academic journal database PubMed may have been AI-generated with errors, hallucinations and false sourcing 
    • Does any crypto exchanges get banned in your country? How's about other as Bybit, Kraken, MEXC, OKX?
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use.