Jump to content

Welcome to the new Traders Laboratory! Please bear with us as we finish the migration over the next few days. If you find any issues, want to leave feedback, get in touch with us, or offer suggestions please post to the Support forum here.

  • Welcome Guests

    Welcome. You are currently viewing the forum as a guest which does not give you access to all the great features at Traders Laboratory such as interacting with members, access to all forums, downloading attachments, and eligibility to win free giveaways. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free. Create a FREE Traders Laboratory account here.

brownsfan019

Trader P/L 2009

Recommended Posts

11/19/09 +447.48

 

I missed the big oil move of the day which I had fully anticipated but I was on the road while it happened. Is there a way to make OEC generate a commissions expense so you have a net number at the end of the day. I am still overtrading so I need to get better at waiting for the moves. A big reduction in my P/L might help me with that.

 

attachment.php?attachmentid=15563&stc=1&d=1258655239

 

Dinero - the GCLF0 contract has more volume so make sure you roll to the new contract soon. Get in this habit now b/c the last thing you want is a big surprise when it's real money on the line.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

11-20-09: $0.00

 

Some days you wonder why you got out of bed for this. Keeping losses small / scratch is an important part of the overall game planning for me, so while seems like a waste in hindsight it's part of the job and to be expected. My goal on winning days is to make $500-$1000/ct and losing days I would like to keep below $250. In my eyes, this was a losing day simply b/c it wasn't a winning one.

 

What stung the worst was oil - I went 1/4 there. I know when I go 1/4 that I'll be trying to scratch that market, which is what happened there. The good news is that 1 winner can wipe out 3 losers. The bad news is that I had 3 losers so I did not make any money there today. And the ZS today just didn't want to give it to me. Nothing to change there.

 

Have a good weekend everyone. OSU vs. Michigan on Sat although shouldn't be much of a game. ;)

11-20-2009.png.d7cd31af9a41691332b52fa3738edef3.png

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Started off really bad with 4 losing trades! I thought it was gonna be a brutal day for me but it turned round enough to get me green. Here's the trade numbers in pips:

 

-8, -12, -16, -13 , 19, -12, 28, 18, -14, 20, 12, -15, -15, 20, 6, 22

tlpnl.thumb.JPG.fe0e0333673470a4e6f84c5201347147.JPG

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

NYMEX*MINY*Light*Sweet*Crude*Oil

 

The symbol is QM for IB is this the same contract you guys are talking about except it is the mini? Can someone post a chart please.

 

thanks,

 

Bruce

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
NYMEX*MINY*Light*Sweet*Crude*Oil

 

The symbol is QM for IB is this the same contract you guys are talking about except it is the mini? Can someone post a chart please.

 

thanks,

 

Bruce

 

diablo answered your question and I've posted CL charts in this thread and around TL.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

11-23-09: +$620.00

 

I took every trade the system triggered, so that's good. I wanted to get long the Russell right off the open but didn't quite get the entry signal I wanted. In hindsight it would have delivered, but it would have violated the setup.

 

Also attached is a 1 min GCL chart from today for the person requesting that.

11-23-2009.png.71d5af00d202345b7be0353bba258a11.png

GCL.thumb.png.66822568a329ca0df646703dd65bcf23.png

Edited by brownsfan019

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
11-13-09: +$620.00

 

I took every trade the system triggered, so that's good. I wanted to get long the Russell right off the open but didn't quite get the entry signal I wanted. In hindsight it would have delivered, but it would have violated the setup.

 

Also attached is a 1 min GCL chart from today for the person requesting that.

 

I guess 11-13-09 should be 11-23-09.

 

Is RLM-M the same as TF?

 

Thanks

 

Gabe

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Today was going to turn out well and then the computer froze up while I was in a ZS trade and it went downhill from there. My 1st trade on Oil this morning got me in a great move up and I was up $250 or so.

 

After the computer rebooted, I got out at a loss on the ZS and decided to just scrap the day and spent the rest of the day taking lots of trades on really short term signals. I am planning on taking my first live futures trade tomorrow (if I can find a good setup) so I can get a feel for what my commissions should be and get started playing with real money. I have been simming for a while now and it is time to get some skin in the game. I am pretty excited to finally take some real trades.

 

I guess that will make a journey of about 6 months from knowing nothing about futures to finally trying a live trade. Stocks were fun but so far I enjoy futures much more.

 

I was thinking and my "back of the napkin" calculation shows I have spent around 1,100 hours so far studying and SIM trading so far so I still have a long ways to go if hours count for anything.

Edited by Dinerotrader

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Today was going to turn out well and then the computer froze up while I was in a ZS trade and it went downhill from there. My 1st trade on Oil this morning got me in a great move up and I was up $250 or so.

 

After the computer rebooted, I got out at a loss on the ZS and decided to just scrap the day and spent the rest of the day taking lots of trades on really short term signals. I am planning on taking my first live futures trade tomorrow (if I can find a good setup) so I can get a feel for what my commissions should be and get started playing with real money. I have been simming for a while now and it is time to get some skin in the game. I am pretty excited to finally take some real trades.

 

I guess that will make a journey of about 6 months from knowing nothing about futures to finally trying a live trade. Stocks were fun but so far I enjoy futures much more.

 

I was thinking and my "back of the napkin" calculation shows I have spent around 1,100 hours so far studying and SIM trading so far so I still have a long ways to go if hours count for anything.

 

Dinero - good luck tomorrow and just try to keep the emotions in check. I know it's easier said than done, but just go w/ the flow of what you've been doing. Try not to overtrade as that's a great way to make OEC rich, but not you.

 

You gotta start somewhere, so get to it on Tuesday. Remember this is a short week so I would trade Tue and maybe Wed and that's it for the week.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

11-24-09: +$450.00

 

Couldn't quite get in sync w/ the ZS this morning but was able to salvage a small loss there. Nice easy short on CL. Not sure that I will trade on Wed, so this might be it for me this week. Good 2 days in a row too bad this is a short week.

11-24-2009.png.041f053e36c36eb42c5705ecff885e4d.png

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Well for my first day with real money, it was a crappy day. Many lessons learned. I want to say that I picked a bad day to start but trading is full of days where you don't get the setups you want so you just have to sit on your hands. I should have been a little smarter and waited until we got out of the choppy areas before taking some trades. I shouldn't have traded the ES at all but I thought I should at least get a few trades in on it so I could tell how it traded live.

 

A little disheartening but I know losses occur and I know I traded in many spots where the danger level was too high. At least now I can start writing a draft of my market wizard chapter where I talk about my first loss in futures before I became the greatest trader of all time. ;)

 

attachment.php?attachmentid=15759&stc=1&d=1259080699

5aa70f6939e68_11-24-20091.png.7151bb4efb4a66e64381dbe2578776a0.png

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Well for my first day with real money, it was a crappy day. Many lessons learned. I want to say that I picked a bad day to start but trading is full of days where you don't get the setups you want so you just have to sit on your hands. I should have been a little smarter and waited until we got out of the choppy areas before taking some trades. I shouldn't have traded the ES at all but I thought I should at least get a few trades in on it so I could tell how it traded live.

 

A little disheartening but I know losses occur and I know I traded in many spots where the danger level was too high. At least now I can start writing a draft of my market wizard chapter where I talk about my first loss in futures before I became the greatest trader of all time. ;)

 

attachment.php?attachmentid=15759&stc=1&d=1259080699

 

 

Dinero - I know it's not the day you were looking for, but DO NOT TOUCH THE ES!!! I'm shocked that you didn't touch it at all in your sim and then you go live and decide to try it with real money? That market is so 'botted' to death that it's not for the new trader, nor one that hasn't touched it before. Please turn that chart off. Use the RLM if you want an index.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Dinero - I know it's not the day you were looking for, but DO NOT TOUCH THE ES!!! I'm shocked that you didn't touch it at all in your sim and then you go live and decide to try it with real money? That market is so 'botted' to death that it's not for the new trader, nor one that hasn't touched it before. Please turn that chart off. Use the RLM if you want an index.

 

I was trading live the SPY as a proxy for ES and I lost money.

Switched to IWM which is the ETF equivalent to the SF (RLM).

THere is somewhat of an improvement.

 

Gabe

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Dinero - I know it's not the day you were looking for, but DO NOT TOUCH THE ES!!! I'm shocked that you didn't touch it at all in your sim and then you go live and decide to try it with real money? That market is so 'botted' to death that it's not for the new trader, nor one that hasn't touched it before. Please turn that chart off. Use the RLM if you want an index.

 

I tried it in SIM a few times but stopped because the fills weren't realistic at all. You are correct of course. I haven't yet developed any good approach to trade the ES yet so I shouldn't have tried it. I looked back at my charts zoomed at a little and I was just way to focused on the tiny moves. The CL short was such an obvious breakout. I got into some of it because of the momentum but I didn't have my eye on that level, which is unbelieveable since I watch those levels constantly. Plus, the CL went right down to the bottom of the channel I noted on the Oil thread and bounced right off that support area. :angry:

 

attachment.php?attachmentid=15761&stc=1&d=1259083906

5aa70f693f472_11-24-20092.thumb.png.92800b853a066384012c9c304cece0cf.png

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I was trading live the SPY as a proxy for ES and I lost money.

Switched to IWM which is the ETF equivalent to the SF (RLM).

THere is somewhat of an improvement.

 

Gabe

 

It's simple really - the ES has the most volume, which tells us that the biggest traders with the biggest, fastest computers and the biggest bankrolls are playing there. And it's not even humans you are up against, it's massive computer algo's that can make a decision quicker than we can blink. It's also why you'll see the ES creep up 1 tick, then down 2 ticks, then up 3, then down 1... those guys are trading such huge size they can make a killing just pushing it up a tick here and there; meanwhile retail guys get shaken out easily.

 

The Russell on the other hand does not have that same participation? How do I know? Look at the volume. Even though the bots may exist there, they cannot play the same huge volume push games that are played on the ES. Other bots and/or retail guys would crush them for doing that. When the Russell decides to move, it moves. IMO it's a more level playing field.

 

As I said in thales' thread, trading is hard enough as it is, the last thing you want to do is to create even more hurdles to jump - whether that be trading forex where quotes can vary or the ES where the bots will churn you up slowly but surely.

 

The Russell reminds me of oil and soybeans - plenty of volume to daytrade, minimal bot activity and tremendous swings. My current Russell profit target is 3 pts = $300. $300 on the ES is asking for 6 ES points. Good luck getting into an ES trade that swiftly moves 6 points w/o chopping you up or grabbing your stop; however the Russell can and does move +3 pts at times like nothing.

 

The ES is great if you are going to trade huge size and go for smaller ticks IMO. Bathrobe is one of the few retail guys that I've seen do it.

 

Dropping the ES from my trading was one of the single best things I ever did to increase profitability and lower stress levels.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Dropping the ES from my trading was one of the single best things I ever did to increase profitability and lower stress levels.

 

Why is it so common for daytraders to trade the ES since most of them aren't trading it with large size (the major reason for trading it) that I am aware of. My guess is that the required margin is so small. We need some kind of poll here on TL so we can see of all the active traders, what futures they are trading. It sometimes feels like we are the only ones watching/trading oil and soybeans but I would think others must be also.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Why is it so common for daytraders to trade the ES since most of them aren't trading it with large size (the major reason for trading it) that I am aware of. My guess is that the required margin is so small.

 

I'm sure $500 (or less) margins attract many of the $5k pikers that last a week and are gone. And if the majority of retail guys are trading this and the majority of retail traders lose... hmmmm..... :hmmmm:

 

We need some kind of poll here on TL so we can see of all the active traders, what futures they are trading. It sometimes feels like we are the only ones watching/trading oil and soybeans but I would think others must be also.

 

Honestly Dinero, I could care less what others are on this forum watch or trade as there's no way to distinguish those that trade for a living and those that trade for a hobby. If you aren't doing this for a living, your opinion is coming from a very different point of view than mine. This is not a hobby for me as it is for many.

 

If we know that the herd mentality is typically wrong, then I want most retail guys trading the ES and grinding out a tick here and there. If we know that most retail traders lose and fade out and most want to master the ES (but never do) then I want nothing to do with those odds. If we know that the big boys and their algos are all over the ES and they are much better at this than me, I want nothing to do with that.

 

Here's where a poker analogy can work - when you pick your poker game, you can pick what opponents to play. There's the big games @ Bobby's room in Vegas or there's 1 penny / 2 penny online and everything in between. If you can easily beat $1/$2 but get crushed at $100/$200, do you keep playing $100/$200? I say no. I say beat what is easier and take the profits. That's me. Some would say keep playing the $100/$200 b/c you might eventually beat it if you can survive long enough. Same with the ES - you might eventually beat it but many will fade out before that time ever comes.

 

In the end, you get to choose your opponent in trading. I choose to go where it's the easiest (read: not easy) for me to make money. I choose to go where my setups routinely work and yield net positive results over time in the easiest way possible. And right now, that means trading oil, the Russell and soybeans. If one of those die out, then I will look for a replacement or just trade the 2 that are working. This is also why I think it's smart to watch multiple markets and trade your highest probability setups vs. staring at 1 market waiting to trade. Can you imagine staring at the ES chart all day? No thank you.

 

Choose your trading opponents carefully as they are out for 1 thing: YOUR MONEY.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Be careful who you blame.   I can tell you one thing for sure.   Effective traders don’t blame others when things start to go wrong.   You can hang onto your tendency to play the victim, or the martyr… but if you want to achieve in trading, you have to be prepared to take responsibility.   People assign reasons to outcomes, whether based on internal or external factors.   When traders face losses, it's common for them to blame bad luck, poor advice, or other external factors, rather than reflecting on their own personal attributes like arrogance, fear, or greed.   This is a challenging lesson to grasp in your trading journey, but one that holds immense value.   This is called attribution theory. Taking responsibility for your actions is the key to improving your trading skills. Pause and ask yourself - What role did I play in my financial decisions?   After all, you were the one who listened to that source, and decided to act on that trade based on the rumour. Attributing results solely to external circumstances is what is known as having an ‘external locus of control’.   It's a concept coined by psychologist Julian Rotter in 1954. A trader with an external locus of control might say, "I made a profit because the markets are currently favourable."   Instead, strive to develop an "internal locus of control" and take ownership of your actions.   Assume that all trading results are within your realm of responsibility and actively seek ways to improve your own behaviour.   This is the fastest route to enhancing your trading abilities. A trader with an internal locus of control might proudly state, "My equity curve is rising because I am a disciplined trader who faithfully follows my trading plan." Author: Louise Bedford Source: https://www.tradinggame.com.au/
    • SELF IMPROVEMENT.   The whole self-help industry began when Dale Carnegie published How to Win Friends and Influence People in 1936. Then came other classics like Think And Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill, Awaken the Giant Within by Tony Robbins toward the end of the century.   Today, teaching people how to improve themselves is a business. A pure ruthless business where some people sell utter bullshit.   There are broke Instagrammers and YouTubers with literally no solid background teaching men how to be attractive to women, how to begin a start-up, how to become successful — most of these guys speaking nothing more than hollow motivational words and cliche stuff. They waste your time. Some of these people who present themselves as hugely successful also give talks and write books.   There are so many books on financial advice, self-improvement, love, etc and some people actually try to read them. They are a waste of time, mostly.   When you start reading a dozen books on finance you realize that they all say the same stuff.   You are not going to live forever in the learning phase. Don't procrastinate by reading bull-shit or the same good knowledge in 10 books. What we ought to do is choose wisely.   Yes. A good book can change your life, given you do what it asks you to do.   All the books I have named up to now are worthy of reading. Tim Ferriss, Simon Sinek, Robert Greene — these guys are worthy of reading. These guys teach what others don't. Their books are unique and actually, come from relevant and successful people.   When Richard Branson writes a book about entrepreneurship, go read it. Every line in that book is said by one of the greatest entrepreneurs of our time.   When a Chinese millionaire( he claims to be) Youtuber who releases a video titled “Why reading books keeps you broke” and a year later another one “My recommendation of books for grand success” you should be wise to tell him to jump from Victoria Falls.   These self-improvement gurus sell you delusions.   They say they have those little tricks that only they know that if you use, everything in your life will be perfect. Those little tricks. We are just “making of a to-do-list before sleeping” away from becoming the next Bill Gates.   There are no little tricks.   There is no success-mantra.   Self-improvement is a trap for 99% of the people. You can't do that unless you are very, very strong.   If you are looking for easy ways, you will only keep wasting your time forgetting that your time on this planet is limited, as alive humans that is.   Also, I feel that people who claim to read like a book a day or promote it are idiots. You retain nothing. When you do read a good book, you read slow, sometimes a whole paragraph, again and again, dwelling on it, trying to internalize its knowledge. You try to understand. You think. It takes time.   It's better to read a good book 10 times than 1000 stupid ones.   So be choosy. Read from the guys who actually know something, not some wannabe ‘influencers’.   Edit: Think And Grow Rich was written as a result of a project assigned to Napoleon Hill by Andrew Carnegie(the 2nd richest man in recent history). He was asked to study the most successful people on the planet and document which characteristics made them great. He did extensive work in studying hundreds of the most successful people of that time. The result was that little book.   Nowadays some people just study Instagram algorithms and think of themselves as a Dale Carnegie or Anthony Robbins. By Nupur Nishant, Quora Profits from free accurate cryptos signals: https://www.predictmag.com/    
    • there is no avoiding loses to be honest, its just how the market is. you win some and hopefully more, but u do lose some. 
    • $CSCO Cisco Systems stock, nice top of range breakout, from Stocks to Watch at https://stockconsultant.com/?CSCOSEPN Septerna stock watch for a bottom breakout, good upside price gap
    • $CSCO Cisco Systems stock, nice top of range breakout, from Stocks to Watch at https://stockconsultant.com/?CSCOSEPN Septerna stock watch for a bottom breakout, good upside price gap
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use.