Jump to content

Welcome to the new Traders Laboratory! Please bear with us as we finish the migration over the next few days. If you find any issues, want to leave feedback, get in touch with us, or offer suggestions please post to the Support forum here.

  • Welcome Guests

    Welcome. You are currently viewing the forum as a guest which does not give you access to all the great features at Traders Laboratory such as interacting with members, access to all forums, downloading attachments, and eligibility to win free giveaways. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free. Create a FREE Traders Laboratory account here.

trbates

Market Internals for Day Trading YM

Recommended Posts

You didn't really quit did you?

 

No. I'll probably never quit. I know how to trade. I just need to have daily stop loss limits in place in case I start trading against the plan and let my emotions take over. It's really that simple. And I bet it's this way for a lot of "FUTURES" traders that experience losing weeks or months worth of profits in a single day. It's just plain stupid. If your a futures trader you have to have a planned stop and trade only signals that you recognize. If you start trading against your plan the best precautionary measure you can take is to have a daily stop loss in place that will close out your positions when you get down X amount of dollars.

 

There's been days where I've been down $5k and I made it back to positive, but there's been just as many days where that $5k loss turned into a $10k loss. I pretty much know that when I get down X amount of dollars, that the day is going to be a loser and that I should quit, but sometimes I let the emotions turn on and I use increased leverage to get back to breakeven. This is pretty much like a gambler going on tilt. Experienced traders know the end result is more often bad than good in this scenario. You correct bad behavior by reducing leverage, not increasing.

 

To some it up. Use daily stop loss limits on your account. Trade your signals that you have planned ahead of time, and only take trades where you feel comfortable with the risk of having your planned stop loss hit.

 

HPT

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest forsearch

To some it up. Use daily stop loss limits on your account. Trade your signals that you have planned ahead of time, and only take trades where you feel comfortable with the risk of having your planned stop loss hit.

 

HPT

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Crap. Guess too good to be true. Was chopped too many times today, this would have probably helped. Thanks for the reply. IB TWS does accept VOL-NYSE@NYSE as a symbol input. It also has a description available, but no quotes on it and no way to specify UP or DN.

 

http://www.interactivebrokers.co.uk/contract_info/index.php?action=Details&site=IB&conid=33887599&detlev=2&sess=1211924460

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Justlurking:

Depend on the charting software you are using, meaning whether it will accept Opentick.com data ? If it does, I think all it cost you is $1.00 NYSE exchange fee per month to get $UVOL and $DVOL.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Justlurking:

Depend on the charting software you are using, meaning whether it will accept Opentick.com data ? If it does, I think all it cost you is $1.00 NYSE exchange fee per month to get $UVOL and $DVOL.

 

Thanks OAC. I found an old post dated back in December where you had mentioned that Opentick supports $UVOL and $DVOL so I tried a quick download and it worked, for history that is. I will run some tests to see its usefulness and take it from there. Whats that you say, a whole dollar! lol. I hope I get some good results with this. If you have any other internals supported by Opentick that's worth mentioning, I could use all the help I can get.

 

thanks

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Crap. Guess too good to be true. Was chopped too many times today, this would have probably helped. Thanks for the reply. IB TWS does accept VOL-NYSE@NYSE as a symbol input. It also has a description available, but no quotes on it and no way to specify UP or DN.

 

This is similar to IB adv-decl :

The IB ticker symbol VOL-NYSE works similarly. The advancing volume is reported in the bid, the declining volume in the ask, and the unchanged volume in the bid size. Similar custom instruments can be setup easily to track the NYSE advance/decline volume spread or ratio.

Most charting programs are unable to handle this peculiar type of symbol from IB.

 

BTW, Opentick may no longer be accepting new subscriptions. Did you subscribe to OT recently?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Starting to make sense now. Whats odd is that although most charting platforms may not support these symbols, I don't see quotes in TWS either! I'll have to verify during market hours and see if I can at least get any field populated.

 

Luckily I am already an OpenTick subscriber so I am able to download historical UpDnVol for now.

 

thanks

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

2008.06.06-UVOL-DVOL.jpg

 

WOW. How above that 12:1 closing strength of the DVOL?

 

Mid day there was some price action chop but all in all this should have helped you stay focused on trending short trades and scalping long trades if you even had the nerves to attempt a long.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2008.06.06-UVOL-DVOL.jpg

 

WOW. How above that 12:1 closing strength of the DVOL?

 

Mid day there was some price action chop but all in all this should have helped you stay focused on trending short trades and scalping long trades if you even had the nerves to attempt a long.

 

 

Not sure if understand. Exactly what do you see on that chart that shows price chop midday?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Not sure if understand. Exactly what do you see on that chart that shows price chop midday?

 

I don't see chop on this indicator...That's precisely why I'm saying it's helpful. With some indicators it's about what you don't see. ;)

 

If you were watching say the SPY (see below)...you had a period of chop from 2:15 till about 3pm Friday. Hell you had a range break upwards so some got sucked into going long there no doubt. If you were looking at this indicator, you would have been pretty assured that the trend was still down and should have kept out of the long range break.

 

2008.06.06-SPY.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If you were watching say the SPY (see below)...you had a period of chop from 2:15 till about 3pm Friday. Hell you had a range break upwards so some got sucked into going long there no doubt.

2008.06.06-SPY.jpg

Yup MC, I was one of em'! I've just added the $UVOL and $DVOL as your posts clearly show their value (Thank you). Apologies if this is a daft question, but I'm not clear how this indicator differs from $TRIN? Also, I use eSignal and as far as I can se, I can only display it in two separate charts as opposed to the single chart in your posts. Any thoughts on these fronts would be appreciated.

P&Fman

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Yup MC, I was one of em'! I've just added the $UVOL and $DVOL as your posts clearly show their value (Thank you). Apologies if this is a daft question, but I'm not clear how this indicator differs from $TRIN? Also, I use eSignal and as far as I can se, I can only display it in two separate charts as opposed to the single chart in your posts. Any thoughts on these fronts would be appreciated.

P&Fman

 

Cool...hope this setup helps you stay on the right side of the trade. :)

 

http://tradersbase.com/tbimages/mc/VIX-TRIN.jpg

Check out this chart to see what I think of the TRIN. IMO VIX is way better, I do run the TRIN but only to see if it closes outside the extremes (2.0 and .6). Many use the TRIN as something inverse to the market to try and spot trends, but again JMHO VIX shows trends and moves much more clear.

 

BTW...I also run an $ADVN comparison with $DECN to compare advancing issues to declining in the same fashion as the UVOL technique.

 

If lil old Think or Swim platform can do the comparison I'm sure you can do it on the beast esignal. I've never used esignal though so I'll be of little help there. You just need to do a comparison of the 2 tickers though. I'm sure somebody here uses Esig and could help you out if comparison isn't enough.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Be careful who you blame.   I can tell you one thing for sure.   Effective traders don’t blame others when things start to go wrong.   You can hang onto your tendency to play the victim, or the martyr… but if you want to achieve in trading, you have to be prepared to take responsibility.   People assign reasons to outcomes, whether based on internal or external factors.   When traders face losses, it's common for them to blame bad luck, poor advice, or other external factors, rather than reflecting on their own personal attributes like arrogance, fear, or greed.   This is a challenging lesson to grasp in your trading journey, but one that holds immense value.   This is called attribution theory. Taking responsibility for your actions is the key to improving your trading skills. Pause and ask yourself - What role did I play in my financial decisions?   After all, you were the one who listened to that source, and decided to act on that trade based on the rumour. Attributing results solely to external circumstances is what is known as having an ‘external locus of control’.   It's a concept coined by psychologist Julian Rotter in 1954. A trader with an external locus of control might say, "I made a profit because the markets are currently favourable."   Instead, strive to develop an "internal locus of control" and take ownership of your actions.   Assume that all trading results are within your realm of responsibility and actively seek ways to improve your own behaviour.   This is the fastest route to enhancing your trading abilities. A trader with an internal locus of control might proudly state, "My equity curve is rising because I am a disciplined trader who faithfully follows my trading plan." Author: Louise Bedford Source: https://www.tradinggame.com.au/
    • SELF IMPROVEMENT.   The whole self-help industry began when Dale Carnegie published How to Win Friends and Influence People in 1936. Then came other classics like Think And Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill, Awaken the Giant Within by Tony Robbins toward the end of the century.   Today, teaching people how to improve themselves is a business. A pure ruthless business where some people sell utter bullshit.   There are broke Instagrammers and YouTubers with literally no solid background teaching men how to be attractive to women, how to begin a start-up, how to become successful — most of these guys speaking nothing more than hollow motivational words and cliche stuff. They waste your time. Some of these people who present themselves as hugely successful also give talks and write books.   There are so many books on financial advice, self-improvement, love, etc and some people actually try to read them. They are a waste of time, mostly.   When you start reading a dozen books on finance you realize that they all say the same stuff.   You are not going to live forever in the learning phase. Don't procrastinate by reading bull-shit or the same good knowledge in 10 books. What we ought to do is choose wisely.   Yes. A good book can change your life, given you do what it asks you to do.   All the books I have named up to now are worthy of reading. Tim Ferriss, Simon Sinek, Robert Greene — these guys are worthy of reading. These guys teach what others don't. Their books are unique and actually, come from relevant and successful people.   When Richard Branson writes a book about entrepreneurship, go read it. Every line in that book is said by one of the greatest entrepreneurs of our time.   When a Chinese millionaire( he claims to be) Youtuber who releases a video titled “Why reading books keeps you broke” and a year later another one “My recommendation of books for grand success” you should be wise to tell him to jump from Victoria Falls.   These self-improvement gurus sell you delusions.   They say they have those little tricks that only they know that if you use, everything in your life will be perfect. Those little tricks. We are just “making of a to-do-list before sleeping” away from becoming the next Bill Gates.   There are no little tricks.   There is no success-mantra.   Self-improvement is a trap for 99% of the people. You can't do that unless you are very, very strong.   If you are looking for easy ways, you will only keep wasting your time forgetting that your time on this planet is limited, as alive humans that is.   Also, I feel that people who claim to read like a book a day or promote it are idiots. You retain nothing. When you do read a good book, you read slow, sometimes a whole paragraph, again and again, dwelling on it, trying to internalize its knowledge. You try to understand. You think. It takes time.   It's better to read a good book 10 times than 1000 stupid ones.   So be choosy. Read from the guys who actually know something, not some wannabe ‘influencers’.   Edit: Think And Grow Rich was written as a result of a project assigned to Napoleon Hill by Andrew Carnegie(the 2nd richest man in recent history). He was asked to study the most successful people on the planet and document which characteristics made them great. He did extensive work in studying hundreds of the most successful people of that time. The result was that little book.   Nowadays some people just study Instagram algorithms and think of themselves as a Dale Carnegie or Anthony Robbins. By Nupur Nishant, Quora Profits from free accurate cryptos signals: https://www.predictmag.com/    
    • there is no avoiding loses to be honest, its just how the market is. you win some and hopefully more, but u do lose some. 
    • $CSCO Cisco Systems stock, nice top of range breakout, from Stocks to Watch at https://stockconsultant.com/?CSCOSEPN Septerna stock watch for a bottom breakout, good upside price gap
    • $CSCO Cisco Systems stock, nice top of range breakout, from Stocks to Watch at https://stockconsultant.com/?CSCOSEPN Septerna stock watch for a bottom breakout, good upside price gap
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use.