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Rande Howell

Why Traders Continue to Fail - When They Are Trying Hard Not to Lose

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I have just scanned your 33 lessons in 'Zen and the art of poker'

I deliberately only read the core of each lesson and all I saw was 'acceptance'

Now you may have another name that you prefer, but to me Zen is 'acceptance'

in that you accept what is (the reality) and use it to your advantage.

 

To me also, Trading is the same, exactly the same.

 

But then I'm not afraid of it.

 

Only so much can be done on message boards. I appreciate your comments.

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I'm not sure you understand what I'm saying, so you appear to be agreeing with the wrong thing.

 

I don't know that I really want to get into this here, but, for the moment, I'll say this much. While you acknowledge fear, you also circumvent it, just as nearly everyone else does, including psychologists, and begin talking about risk (not unlike those who pooh-pooh simtrading because there's no "risk"). But it's not about risk; it's about fear. And the fear stems from a thorough lack of knowledge of what motivates price movement. Since the failing trader has no understanding of this (and, often, the individual who's trying to help him), he is forever seeking someone to follow, some method to use, some indicator to plot, even to the extent of using some mechanical and/or automated system. But, again, all this does is circumvent the central problem, a brace on a broken leg, morphine against the cancer. This is not unlike the manager who must deal with employees but has absolutely no idea how to do so, believing that taking a workshop or reading The One-Minute Manager will solve his problems. But they don't, because skills are not the problem, any more than "patience" and "discipline" are the central problems for the failing trader.

 

My understanding of the markets is mainly that there are buyers and sellers constantly coming together to agree on a price. The various market participants vote with their feet (hard cash) their purchasing decisions at all times of the day while the market is open. The change in price simply represents a change in agreement. This change in price can be measured objectively.

 

I do agree that the loser trader is in a near perpetual state of trying to find that which can never be lost. And the classic "blind leading the blind" scenario perpetuates the losing, until the adequate discontent sets in which causes the loser to look more honestly at the situation, including any fears that are in the way.

 

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Magee addressed this back in the forties. There may have been others before him, but so little of that survives, it's not always easy to trace these threads. It's tempting to suggest that systems and indicators have only made the problem worse because they hold the promise of enabling the trader to avoid addressing his fears for the foreseeable future. But of course they don't. Fear is far more central, and has been lurking in the shadows for millenia.

 

Your quote about religion is apt, but it somewhat misses the mark. Fearful traders do approach trading in much the same way as the religious approach religion, the latter being motivated by a fear of death. There are rituals to perform, actions to be repeated, truths to be denied. In both cases, we "run" from that which we ought to embrace.

 

Well said. It is difficult to put the truth into words. Using one set of symbols to describe another set of symbols that we see. But symbols aren't so bad when they are used as a tool for communication :helloooo: The reason why I advocate systems is because of the ability to put repetition in action. Ramit Sethi put it this way in his Big Wins Manifesto:

 

Next time you hear the same old tired advice of keeping a budget, or cutting back on $2 lattes [or any other method/system that is not producing desired results], ask yourself: Has that really worked for the millions of people who’ve tried it? Are they really not “trying hard enough”? Or is there perhaps a systemic problem urging people to waste their limited cognition on near-meaningless tasks with little reward…and should we instead focus them on high-leverage areas that will result in massive payoffs?

 

Following exact steps to produce a certain concrete result is transparent and measurable. Then the user can focus on the fun stuff (exploring the possibilities of the system), rather than being bogged down with repetitive tasks. We only have so much attention and so it should be focused on measurable results, not chasing some exotic indicator. You hinted earlier about how a basic understanding of market price action is needed, but rarely if ever actually sought after.

 

"We pick our teachers and we get what we want" (Jed McKenna). So perhaps the student has implemented a trading method/system 100% to the best of their ability and have not received the results they are looking for. Wouldn't any honest seeker would go through the steps of the system to see where the problem lies? Maybe only minor adjustments need to be made like position sizing. Maybe the whole system needs to be tossed out or replaced for a new system that can give you the reproducible results you desire.

 

But there is only one way to find out. And it doesn't take years and years of stalling; its mostly a matter of having the courage to insist on those reproducible results. The same way you would insist on it for a car, boat, airplane, blender, or other mechanical systems you are surrounded by and/or use nearly everyday. Death awareness can be life affirming, and it doesn't necessarily require a major accident. Large drawdowns or "blown accounts" would be the death equivalent to losing it all or significant enough amount for you to begin the process of more objective system/self analysis. One of the most interesting aspects of death awareness was really the fear of being alive.

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Clearly I see things from a different perspective than most folks

 

 

Most of my "process" isn't about trading per se....learning how to trade is actually pretty straightforward (I can show someone how to do it in about 3 months time)....what I see as the primary obstacle is the developmental delay and the attendant character issues that show themselves when the student encounters ANY problem, ANY delay of gratification, or has to take the initiative to do something on their own...finally the issue of risk is also paramount...people with adolescent or childlike personalities cannot tolerate risk, and that shows itself in the inability to hold a position long enough to make a profit (as just one example)....

 

I think it is no surprise that so many try to learn this profession, and fail...

 

Best of luck to all

 

Steve

 

I agree.

 

Not meant to be a pissing contest, but Ive worked with firms where traders get to profitability after 1-2 months.

 

Of course, this is in a professional environment, trading a professional strategy. And before everyone pm's me here is the strategy:

 

trading calendar spreads against each other to build a fly and then getting out either as a fly or in on a fly and out in cals. no charts, no ta, just maths and knowing how 2 markets relate to each other, and understanding the whole curve - be it wheat, corn, eurodollar, nat gas... This is the basic strategy taught at prop firms the world over.

 

To do this, you need focus, determination, discipline to focus and basic maths skills that anyone with average intelligence can build through mental rehearsal. low costs are also needed - but such costs are available to a retail trader if he applies himself in a business like fashion through exchange schemes and professional brokers (forget IB!).

 

the down sides? none other that the determination. ok, you can be sitting on multiple trades waiting for them to fill which will be boring as hell to those of you looking for a quick fix like you do trading outrights in crude or fx (and then try and convince everyone risk is high on your agenda! lol - what a freakin' joke!!).

 

why wont anyone here be able to do this?

 

because most here a losers. losers lose. that is a fact of life.

 

losers would rather keep chasing their tails trying to day trade off charts, kidding everyone they are successful, when real traders know either they are lying, or 1 in a million. Whichever it is, its a lot easier to day trade without charts once you understand what trading is, which some of these gurus dont.

 

keep looking at your charts kids, and keep beating yourself up wondering why its taking you YEARS to learn after reading 10000's of guru's empty posts when others get it in 1-2 months because they approach from a different angle.

 

there was no psychologist at this firm, no mental 'peak performance' crap, just kids out of college who want to make money. All there was was an afternoon talking about mental toughness and not giving up when times are tough.

 

I'm sorry Randy & Co, but if you need all this introspection and self-analysis then the problem probably isnt the individual, but the method being taught - which is probably TA/chart based. You dont see any other profession with so much BS written about it like trading!! (as Steve sort of eludes to)

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I agree.

 

Not meant to be a pissing contest, but Ive worked with firms where traders get to profitability after 1-2 months.

 

Of course, this is in a professional environment, trading a professional strategy. And before everyone pm's me here is the strategy:

 

trading calendar spreads against each other to build a fly and then getting out either as a fly or in on a fly and out in cals. no charts, no ta, just maths and knowing how 2 markets relate to each other, and understanding the whole curve - be it wheat, corn, eurodollar, nat gas... This is the basic strategy taught at prop firms the world over.

 

To do this, you need focus, determination, discipline to focus and basic maths skills that anyone with average intelligence can build through mental rehearsal. low costs are also needed - but such costs are available to a retail trader if he applies himself in a business like fashion through exchange schemes and professional brokers (forget IB!).

 

the down sides? none other that the determination. ok, you can be sitting on multiple trades waiting for them to fill which will be boring as hell to those of you looking for a quick fix like you do trading outrights in crude or fx (and then try and convince everyone risk is high on your agenda! lol - what a freakin' joke!!).

 

why wont anyone here be able to do this?

 

because most here a losers. losers lose. that is a fact of life.

 

losers would rather keep chasing their tails trying to day trade off charts, kidding everyone they are successful, when real traders know either they are lying, or 1 in a million. Whichever it is, its a lot easier to day trade without charts once you understand what trading is, which some of these gurus dont.

 

keep looking at your charts kids, and keep beating yourself up wondering why its taking you YEARS to learn after reading 10000's of guru's empty posts when others get it in 1-2 months because they approach from a different angle.

 

there was no psychologist at this firm, no mental 'peak performance' crap, just kids out of college who want to make money. All there was was an afternoon talking about mental toughness and not giving up when times are tough.

 

I'm sorry Randy & Co, but if you need all this introspection and self-analysis then the problem probably isnt the individual, but the method being taught - which is probably TA/chart based. You dont see any other profession with so much BS written about it like trading!! (as Steve sort of eludes to)

 

well I don't want to continue to beat this horse...so I will offer one short & sweet comment

 

From my seat, and after several decades of seeing the parade go by....it looks to me as though there are a few ways to make money in this profession. Some of these methods are available and viable for amateurs, retail trader whatever you want to call non-pros...and if you have the sufficient capital and you can be disciplined, AND you can tolerate risk, it works...I've seen it often enough to know....

 

The problem is that people discount the psychology...yes there are skill people who can look at what you do and see if you are in some way causing your own problems, but there is a bottom line here, and that is the legacy of your childhood...you either have the ability to tolerate risk (to tolerate delayed gratification to use the jargon) or you don't and if you don't it is going to take an act of congress to change....so why not just go with what you have....become an investor, buy bonds, long term stocks, bank CD's, why try to fit into a coat that was made for someone else?

 

I spend most of my time telling people that I'm not the right person to teach them....and why...mostly because I am trying to be polite...when in fact what I really should say, is that no one is going to be able to teach them, because they really should be doing something else with their lives....

 

Sorry if that pisses some folks off, but after I while you just have to say it like it is....

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well I don't want to continue to beat this horse...so I will offer one short & sweet comment

 

From my seat, and after several decades of seeing the parade go by....it looks to me as though there are a few ways to make money in this profession. Some of these methods are available and viable for amateurs, retail trader whatever you want to call non-pros...and if you have the sufficient capital and you can be disciplined, AND you can tolerate risk, it works...I've seen it often enough to know....

 

The problem is that people discount the psychology...yes there are skill people who can look at what you do and see if you are in some way causing your own problems, but there is a bottom line here, and that is the legacy of your childhood...you either have the ability to tolerate risk (to tolerate delayed gratification to use the jargon) or you don't and if you don't it is going to take an act of congress to change....so why not just go with what you have....become an investor, buy bonds, long term stocks, bank CD's, why try to fit into a coat that was made for someone else?

 

I spend most of my time telling people that I'm not the right person to teach them....and why...mostly because I am trying to be polite...when in fact what I really should say, is that no one is going to be able to teach them, because they really should be doing something else with their lives....

 

Sorry if that pisses some folks off, but after I while you just have to say it like it is....

 

You make a fair point.

 

I'd just add to that though by stating there are many ways to trade. Finding the approach that is right for the individual is key.

 

Intraday trading off a chart using some sort of momentum based strategy is probably the toughest of all. We all know the failure rates. Yet this is the only approach most retail traders try. It looks easy (simple pattern recognition and simple maths, throw in some back testing and off you go), but as many have found out, it's really a coin toss as the markets are ever changing.

 

In the example I posted above of spread scalping, I'd be the first to admit, that it's like watching paint dry for some. These guys are trying to catch a tick or 2 - often taking hours or a day in some markets to do so. You have to be managing a lot of orders in a lot of markets. On the trading spectrum, I'd say it's way at the other end of the scale to an FX trader trying to grab 40 ticks with a 2 lot on every trade. One is a skill, with a defined and quantifiable edge based on pricing dynamics, the other is a high octane gamble. One will appeal to a methodical, analytical thinker, the other to someone who's probably more emotional in nature and searching for a high.

 

One method has a success rate of 60-70% for those who enjoy it/well suited, the other has a success rate of say 15%. Some trade!

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YI'd say it's way at the other end of the scale to an FX trader trying to grab 40 ticks with a 2 lot on every trade.

 

i think you are being generous here :)

.....my guess is many watch paint dry to try and grab the illusion of 40 ticks, but end up only taking 10, while those few that are sucessful take far more than 40.

 

This maybe be one of the end results of why many traders fail - what causes this is the elephant in the room in the discussion.

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Trading is math and statistics and a share of good luck. Any other approach is doomed to fail and 95% of traders will fail because they don't understand math and statistics.

 

Hi equtrader,

 

Yes, that is the attitude that most people bring into trading, only to experience disappointment, followed by more disappointment as they continue to ram math and stats at the infinite world of trading.

 

Steve46 and some others view the trading world from a realistic point of view.

 

The question then arises as to whether a risk adverse Person can change into a Risk Manager.

It all depends on how badly they want it ... assuming they can accept that the problem is them in the first place.

Most people never get past this acceptance stage ... and the very few who do, then face the commitment to change.

By this stage, the Survivors of this self selection process are reaching a place of acceptance and are finally beginning to see and enjoy the real world of trading.

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For those few who take the time to really think about these issues

 

There are only a few valid methods for approaching markets and they ALL require the following steps

 

1. Characterize the target market (how it moves through time)

2. Based on that characterization, find a systematic approach that provides a way to accurately forecast price movement while adequately managing risk

3. With adequate capital, execute the plan in a disciplined manner while periodically evaluating your progress.

 

Markets change periodically, and THAT is why there are so many methods talked about, sold and then discarded as useless....I used to teach people to see all of this in the proper perspective by demonstrating how it is done...step by step....what I found was that people (that include just about everyone here) didn't want to know or be involved with any but the last step.....too bad really because IMPLICIT IN THAT THIRD STEP IS THE NEED TO GO BACK AND DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN

 

I have to freaking laugh at the naivete....everything in this world requires maintenance and eventual replacement....in order to maintain a business, it has to change with the times, and that includes trading....that's why I suggest (claim, state, whatever) that people who are serious about making money need to find someone who can demonstrate how...not just sell them an idea, an indicator, a system, a chart package....etc)....

 

and that's why statistics alone, indicators alone, buying someone else's system or package or crap....won't work, has never worked and will not work in the future...if you want to do more than just be cannon fodder you have to take time to really learn how the markets work...from someone who can do it (trade) in front of you.

 

Good luck

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Everyone brings out really good points and I can't disagree with any of the posts really.. This might be a simple solution; For those that may have psychological obstacles that are hard to identify or pin point, why not focus on an automated approach to trading, where psychology becomes a non-issue.. I've heard many traders have found success with that approach so it must be possible.

 

Discretionary trading is execution and skill based and how we respond psychologically has high impact on execution and read on the market.. Whenever traders respond unreasonably despite the reason why (which can be all over the board), I automatically assume they're loosing traders unless they trade automated where psychology and emotional response has no impact..

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Fully automated trading requires skills most folks here don't have....from the ability to conduct good research to programming to maintaining good records and having the skill to analyze results periodically to insure your system is still working....for those who have those skills OR are willing to TAKE THE TIME TO LEARN them....that is a good alternative...

 

What many are missing here is hidden in title of Randes' thread...."when they are TRYING HARD.....

 

It should be obvious but I would like to put a bit more emphasis on this because it is crucial to everyone's understanding of what is going on....it isn't about your conscious behavior....he is point a finger at those issues that aren't in controlled by a person's conscious mind...but by our subconscious.....that's why you can say you understand, and that you "get it".....and still be unable to do the right things at the right times.....THAT IS WHY I SCREEN PEOPLE who ask to come into my classes.....precisely because I know in some instances they simply won't be able to make it work...and that leads to (needless) disappointment and anger....

 

My suggestion is to screen yourself first and take inventory of who you are and what you have to work with...ask yourself these important questions

1. In my professional life....am I or have I been able to be successful

2. In my personal life....do I have good relationships with others...

3. In the pursuit of success trading....have I given myself the best possible odds of success, by putting the best tools in my hands...what has the result been (if not....why).?

 

These are just a few of the questions that I ask folks who want a seat in my class.

 

If you have problems in these areas, it may suggest that you have issues to resolve before you can find success in trading (or anything for that matter)...

 

Good luck

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@Steve,

 

Fully automated trading do take skills of-course but there is no execution factor to deal with as its automated.. Execution is what separates discretionary traders.. how they choose the set ups, how they hold/fold and etc..

 

I think there may be some connection between past business success and interpersonal relationships to a small extent only in that it might reveal some emotional maturity but we all know its not uncommon for very successful people in other endeavors to fail at trading..

 

Trading is an individual endeavor and self awareness is clearly more important than social skills.. True emotional maturity and immaturity can be seen in the way people respond emotionally.. Often you will see that those who appear humble in presentation are often very egocentric in reality.. A sure way to see this in trading forums is when another trader does not focus on content but on the person, wanting to be right and etc.

 

The way we respond emotionally in our interactions may be telling in how we might respond in our trading decisions when reading the market and seeing it the way we want to see it rather than what it is in its totality..

 

I've seen this many many times in trading forums and I'm sure others has as well..

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Why do traders fail? Why did I fail?

 

It's really very simple, in the attached chart you see thousands of times on thousands of charts, look on any chart and find this pattern. It pertains to any market that goes up and down. In any time frame.

 

When price is doing this, i.e. going up, be long. Have a position.

 

When price stops doing that, get out.

 

You have to determine where to get in, (context), when to get out, (when price reverses momentum), and whether or not to get back in, rinse and repeat. This is not hard to figure out just by looking at any chart, even though it took me years to realize.

 

All anyone has to do is just look at this chart and emulate it with your own trade. If the chart does not look like this then don't be there and find one that does.

 

It took me many years and many dollars to figure this out.

 

And yes PATIENCE is a virtue. And yes don't treat trading like a slot machine or the next trifecta. Be CALM and don't pull the trigger until you're at ease and confident. Being calm and picking your spot will breed confidence. Trust me.

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I have been a professional trader for 8 years and I say this not to be argumentative but helpful. The reason most traders fail is not psychological. They fail because they dont have an edge, This whole notion of "just follow the rules and you will make money" makes it easy for people to sell worthless systems and claim "the system is the least important part, just follow it and all the riches in the world are yours, the system isnt broken you are"

 

I have been involved in the development of numerous trainee classes. Within 3-4 months their discipline is spot on. We have risk managers monitoring their positions, they have strict daily limits that the company wont let them breach and all manner of other tools to keep discipline and control in check. I know a lot of people trading from home dont have this, but that only proves my point further, that even with 100% perfect discipline some people still dont make money,

 

You need to have an edge in the market. It is as simple as that, You need to exploit an inefficiency and these inefficiencies are always changing. The reason why most people fail is trading is one of, if not, the most competitive industry in the world and there are programmers running every possible variable you can imagine to find patterns yielding profits.

 

I would love to be proven wrong an have someone show me they make consistent money month in month out with a simple moving average system or such like but my 8 years in this industry have resulted in me making money by constantly adapting and finding new edges and my bad periods have come when they stop working, not when i need some discipline check.

 

My advice to any trader going through a rough patch is do more research, start building new approaches and cut back size until you find your groove again. Dont just keep trading some gurus system and let him tell you "its your discipline"

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I have been a professional trader for 8 years and I say this not to be argumentative but helpful. The reason most traders fail is not psychological. They fail because they dont have an edge, This whole notion of "just follow the rules and you will make money" makes it easy for people to sell worthless systems and claim "the system is the least important part, just follow it and all the riches in the world are yours, the system isnt broken you are"

 

I have been involved in the development of numerous trainee classes. Within 3-4 months their discipline is spot on. We have risk managers monitoring their positions, they have strict daily limits that the company wont let them breach and all manner of other tools to keep discipline and control in check. I know a lot of people trading from home dont have this, but that only proves my point further, that even with 100% perfect discipline some people still dont make money,

 

You need to have an edge in the market. It is as simple as that, You need to exploit an inefficiency and these inefficiencies are always changing. The reason why most people fail is trading is one of, if not, the most competitive industry in the world and there are programmers running every possible variable you can imagine to find patterns yielding profits.

 

I would love to be proven wrong an have someone show me they make consistent money month in month out with a simple moving average system or such like but my 8 years in this industry have resulted in me making money by constantly adapting and finding new edges and my bad periods have come when they stop working, not when i need some discipline check.

 

My advice to any trader going through a rough patch is do more research, start building new approaches and cut back size until you find your groove again. Dont just keep trading some gurus system and let him tell you "its your discipline"

 

It is very common for traders, as they their mind where it needs to be, to really look at their methodology and realize there are problems in it that they had not seen before. Overall, I find very few traders come equipped with a mind suitable for trading -- it has to be built. The way I understand the structure of your training, you are doing this.

 

Rande Howell

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I have been a professional trader for 8 years and I say this not to be argumentative but helpful. The reason most traders fail is not psychological. They fail because they dont have an edge, This whole notion of "just follow the rules and you will make money" makes it easy for people to sell worthless systems and claim "the system is the least important part, just follow it and all the riches in the world are yours, the system isnt broken you are"

 

I have been involved in the development of numerous trainee classes. Within 3-4 months their discipline is spot on. We have risk managers monitoring their positions, they have strict daily limits that the company wont let them breach and all manner of other tools to keep discipline and control in check. I know a lot of people trading from home dont have this, but that only proves my point further, that even with 100% perfect discipline some people still dont make money,

 

You need to have an edge in the market. It is as simple as that, You need to exploit an inefficiency and these inefficiencies are always changing. The reason why most people fail is trading is one of, if not, the most competitive industry in the world and there are programmers running every possible variable you can imagine to find patterns yielding profits.

 

I would love to be proven wrong an have someone show me they make consistent money month in month out with a simple moving average system or such like but my 8 years in this industry have resulted in me making money by constantly adapting and finding new edges and my bad periods have come when they stop working, not when i need some discipline check.

 

My advice to any trader going through a rough patch is do more research, start building new approaches and cut back size until you find your groove again. Dont just keep trading some gurus system and let him tell you "its your discipline"

 

I think you're correct that a trader needs an edge. The edge imo needs to be the trader doing what needs to be done.

 

The smaller size is good too for rough patches and newbies. Oh, and don't be greedy. :)

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I believe Hoping for Big Successes also contributes a great deal....Keeping very high expectations from forex market and the urge to become a millionaire overnight can hurt the traders' future than most things. Big successes need big position size of trades and/or very high leverage and/or high risk trades of not so liquid currency pairs and/or very complex trading strategies that involve many currency pairs or derivatives. Actually this greed can lead traders to a state of gambling. Betting for unrealistic gains and forgetting the risk-tolerance levels and lack of patients can quickly make your investments disappear.

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I have been a professional trader for 8 years and I say this not to be argumentative but helpful. The reason most traders fail is not psychological. They fail because they dont have an edge, This whole notion of "just follow the rules and you will make money" makes it easy for people to sell worthless systems and claim "the system is the least important part, just follow it and all the riches in the world are yours, the system isnt broken you are"

 

Absolutely true and well said.

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I believe Hoping for Big Successes also contributes a great deal....Keeping very high expectations from forex market and the urge to become a millionaire overnight can hurt the traders' future than most things. Big successes need big position size of trades and/or very high leverage and/or high risk trades of not so liquid currency pairs and/or very complex trading strategies that involve many currency pairs or derivatives. Actually this greed can lead traders to a state of gambling. Betting for unrealistic gains and forgetting the risk-tolerance levels and lack of patients can quickly make your investments disappear.

 

There really does need to be an attitude adjustment in preparing the mind for trading. The mind needs to be focused on execution without focus on outcome. Many bring their notions of "need for success" into the trading mind as it executes in the moment of the trade. It's all about outcome at this point.

 

Like you say, traders need to really examine their money narrative.

 

Rande Howell

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When traders are successful, they practice a patient discipline where they calmly lie in wait (ambush really) until the market comes to them – and then they strike. How different this is from our vignette at the beginning of this article! His trading is based on urgency while successful trading is based on patience. The notion of work is different between the two. Rather than work with urgency to action to achieve a goal, work takes on new meaning to the evolving trader. The new paradigm becomes patient observation, allowing the conditions to come to you. The trader is no longer chasing the trade (an urgency mentality), but is waiting for the trade to come to him so he can strike. This is the successful mind built for trading.....this is indeed the bitter truth about trading in currencies as well as other business ventures. Patience pays and it pays big time at the end of the day

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Rande Howell

 

I want you to solve my problem , I am from a family of immense wealth , I have a set of systems that makes 500 % a year without compounding , add compounding and I am a billionaire or trillion in a few years.

 

I know how to make money in the markets , it took me over 15 years practice and to learn the skills .I can not sit in front of computers and screens ,and follow my money management /position size plans.

 

My systems involve multiple instruments indices and fx,So to eliminate or reduce Phsyche problems , I hired a few assistants to follow a system ,.they too had emotional problems to execute .

 

I am lost with these idiots that I hired .They do screw up with their phsyche.

 

How can I win?and how can I make idiots perform?

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There really does need to be an attitude adjustment in preparing the mind for trading. The mind needs to be focused on execution without focus on outcome. Many bring their notions of "need for success" into the trading mind as it executes in the moment of the trade. It's all about outcome at this point.

 

Like you say, traders need to really examine their money narrative.

 

Rande Howell

 

I am trying to detach emotions from trading execution , by employing 2 different assistants for two tasks in execution.One assistant looks for signals and passes them to the other assistant , the second enters the trades and manages the trade and exits.It becomes a mechanical execution , still with some emotions but less emotions and clearer minds.

 

Will it work?

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Such conspiracy theories commonly argue that Earth governments, especially the Government of the United States, are in communication or cooperation with extraterrestrials despite public claims to the contrary, and further that some of these theories claim that the governments are explicitly allowing alien abduction.[1] Various UFO conspiracy ideas have flourished on the internet and were frequently featured on Art Bell's program, Coast to Coast AM.[2] According to MUFON, the National Enquirer reported that a survey found 76% of participants felt the government was not revealing all it knew about UFOs, 54.5% thought UFOs definitely or probably existed, and 33% thought UFOs came from outer space.[3] Individuals who have publicly stated that UFO evidence is being suppressed include Senator Barry Goldwater, British Admiral Lord Hill-Norton (former NATO head and chief of the British Defence Staff), Brigadier General Arthur Exon (former commanding officer of Wright-Patterson AFB), Vice Admiral Roscoe H. 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Project Sign, based at Air Technical Intelligence Command at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base and its successors Project Grudge and Project Blue Book were officially assigned to investigate the flying saucers. Edward Ruppelt's book The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects,[12] reports that many people within these research groups did in fact support the hypothesis that the flying saucers were from outer space. Keyhoe later founded NICAP, a civilian investigation group that asserted the U.S. government was lying about UFOs and covering up information that should be shared with the public. NICAP had many influential board members, including Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter, the first director of the CIA. 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A small number of modern-day UFOlogists have suggested the reported targets were extraterrestrial spacecraft.[15] When documenting the incident in 1983, the U.S. Office of Air Force History attributed the event to a case of "war nerves" likely triggered by a lost weather balloon and exacerbated by stray flares and shell bursts from adjoining batteries.[16] Ghost rockets Main article: Ghost rockets In 1946 and 1947, numerous reports occurred of so-called ghost rockets appearing over Scandinavian countries, primarily Sweden, which then spread into other European countries.[17] One USAF top secret document from 1948 stated that Swedish Air Force Intelligence informed them that some of their investigators felt that the reported objects were not only real but could not be explained as having earthly origins. Similarly, 20 years later, Greek physicist Dr. Paul Santorini publicly stated that in 1947 he was put in charge of a Greek military investigation into reports of ghost rockets sighted over Greece [ Timothy Good 1988, p 23; Donald Keyhoe, p 142].[17] Again, they quickly concluded the objects were real and not of conventional origin. Santorini claimed their investigation was killed by U.S. scientists and high military officials who had already concluded the objects were extraterrestrial in origin and feared public panic because no defense existed.[18] Roswell Incident Main article: Roswell UFO Incident In 1947, the United States Air Force issued a press release stating that a "flying disk" had been recovered near Roswell, New Mexico. This press release was quickly withdrawn, and officials stated that a weather balloon had been misidentified. The Roswell case quickly faded even from the attention of most UFOlogists until the 1970s. 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Ruppelt also revealed that in mid-1948, Project Sign issued a top secret Estimate of the Situation concluding that the flying saucers were not only real but probably extraterrestrial in origin. According to Ruppelt, the Estimate was ordered destroyed by Air Force Chief of Staff Hoyt Vandenberg.[11] Project Sign's final report, published in early 1949, stated that while some UFOs appeared to represent actual aircraft, data were insufficient to determine their origin.[25] Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit Some UFOlogists have claimed the existence of a U.S. government group called the "Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit" allegedly established by General Douglas MacArthur that was "supposedly formed to investigate crashed and retrieved flying saucers".[26] 1950s The 1950s saw an increase in both governmental and civilian investigative efforts and reports of public disinformation and suppression of evidence. The UK Ministry of Defence’s UFO Project has its roots in a study commissioned in 1950 by the MOD’s then Chief Scientific Adviser, the great radar scientist Sir Henry Tizard. As a result of his insistence that UFO sightings should not be dismissed without some form of proper scientific study, the Department set up the Flying Saucer Working Party (or FSWP).[27] In August 1950, Montanan baseball manager Nicholas Mariana filmed several UFOs with his color 16mm camera. Project Blue Book was called in and, after inspecting the film, Mariana claimed it was returned to him with critical footage removed, clearly showing the objects as disc-shaped. The incident sparked nationwide media attention. Frank Scully's 1950 Behind the Flying Saucers suggested that the U.S. government had recovered a crashed flying saucer and its dead occupants near Aztec, New Mexico, in 1948. It was later revealed that Scully had been the victim of a prank by "two veteran confidence artists".[28] Donald Keyhoe was a retired U.S. Marine who wrote a series of popular books and magazine articles that were very influential in shaping public opinion, arguing that UFOs were indeed real and that the U.S. government was suppressing UFO evidence. Keyhoe's first article on the subject came out in True magazine, January 1950, and was a national sensation. His first book, Flying Saucers Are Real also came out in 1950, about the same time as Frank Scully's book, and was a bestseller. In 1956, Keyhoe helped establish NICAP, a powerful civilian UFO investigating group with many inside sources. Keyhoe became its director and continued his attacks on the Air Force. Other contemporary critics also charged that the United States Air Force was perpetrating a cover-up with its Project Blue Book. Canadian radio engineer Wilbert B. Smith, who worked for the Canadian Department of Transport, was interested in flying saucer propulsion technology and wondered if the assertions in the just-published Scully and Keyhoe books were factual. In September 1950, he had the Canadian embassy in Washington D.C. arrange contact with U.S. officials to try to discover the truth of the matter. Smith was briefed by Dr. Robert Sarbacher, a physicist and consultant to the Defense Department's Research and Development Board. Other correspondence, having to do with Keyhoe needing to get clearance to publish another article on Smith's theories of UFO propulsion, indicated that Bush and his group were operating out of the Research and Development Board.[29] Smith then briefed superiors in the Canadian government, leading to the establishment of Project Magnet, a small Canadian government UFO research effort. Canadian documents and Smith's private papers were uncovered in the late 1970s, and by 1984, other alleged documents emerged claiming the existence of a highly secret UFO oversight committee of scientists and military people called Majestic 12, again naming Vannevar Bush. Sarbacher was also interviewed in the 1980s and corroborated the information in Smith's memos and correspondence. Throughout the 1950s and early 1960s, Smith granted public interviews, and among other things stated that he had been lent crashed UFO material for analysis by a highly secret U.S. government group which he wouldn't name.[30] A few weeks after the Robertson Panel, the Air Force issued Regulation 200-2, ordering air base officers to publicly discuss UFO incidents only if they were judged to have been solved, and to classify all the unsolved cases to keep them out of the public eye. In addition, UFO investigative duties started to be taken on by the newly formed 4602nd Air Intelligence Squadron (AISS) of the Air Defense Command. The 4602nd AISS was tasked with investigating only the most important UFO cases having intelligence or national security implications. These were deliberately siphoned away from Blue Book, leaving Blue Book to deal with the more trivial reports. [31] In 1954 an automatic working station for UFO monitoring was installed at Shirley's Bay near Ottawa in Canada. After this station detected the first suspicious event, all data gained by this station was classified as secret, although the cameras of the monitoring station could not make any pictures because of fog.[32] 1956 saw the publication of Gray Barker's They Knew Too Much About Flying Saucers, the book which publicized the idea of sinister Men in Black who appear to UFO witnesses and warn them to keep quiet. There has been continued speculation that the men in black are government agents who harass and threaten UFO witnesses. Also in 1956, the group Foundation for Earth-Space Relations, led by film producer Tzadi Sophit, tested their own flying saucer outside the Long Island town of Ridge Landing. It is speculated in Robertson's The Long Island Saucer that an FBI cover-up silenced witnesses.[33] On January 22, 1958, when Donald Keyhoe appeared on CBS television, his statements on UFOs were censored by the Air Force. During the show when Keyhoe tried to depart from the censored script to "reveal something that has never been disclosed before", CBS cut the sound, later stating Keyhoe was about to violate "predetermined security standards" and about to say something he wasn't "authorized to release". What Keyhoe was about to reveal were four publicly unknown military studies concluding UFOs were interplanetary including the 1948 Project Sign Estimate of the Situation and a 1952 Project Blue Book engineering analysis of UFO motion presented at the Robertson Panel. [34] Astronaut Gordon Cooper reported suppression of a flying saucer movie filmed in high clarity by two Edwards AFB range photographers on May 3, 1957. Cooper said he viewed developed negatives of the object, clearly showing a dish-like object with a dome on top and something like holes or ports in the dome. When later interviewed by James McDonald, the photographers and another witness confirmed the story. Cooper said military authorities then picked up the film and neither he nor the photographers ever heard what happened to it. The incident was also reported in a few newspapers, such as the Los Angeles Times. The official explanation was that the photographers had filmed a weather balloon distorted by hot desert air.[35] 1960s Throughout much of the 1960s, atmospheric physicist James E. McDonald suggested—via lectures, articles and letters—that the U.S. Government was mishandling evidence that would support the extraterrestrial hypothesis.[36] 1970s Jerome Clark comments that many UFO conspiracy theory tales "can be traced to a mock documentary Alternative 3, broadcast on British television on June 20, 1977 (but intended for April Fools' Day), and subsequently turned into a paperback book."[37] Holloman Air Force Base Clark cites a 1973 encounter as perhaps the earliest suggestion that the U.S. government was involved with ETs. That year, Robert Emenegger and Allan Sandler of Los Angeles, California were in contact with officials at Norton Air Force Base in order to make a documentary film. Emenegger and Sandler report that Air Force Officials (including Paul Shartle) suggested incorporating UFO information in the documentary, including as its centerpiece genuine footage of a 1971 UFO landing at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico. Furthermore, says Emenegger, he was given a tour of Holloman AFB and was shown where officials conferred with Extraterrestrial Biological Entities (EBEs). This was supposedly not the first time the U.S. had met these aliens, as Emenegger reported that his U.S. military sources had "been monitoring signals from an alien group with which they were unfamiliar, and did their ET guests know anything about them? The ETs said no" [38] The documentary was released in 1974 as UFO's: Past, Present and Future (narrated by Rod Serling) containing only a few seconds of the Holloman UFO footage, the remainder of the landing depicted with illustrations and re-enactments. In 1988, Shartle said that the film in question was genuine, and that he had seen it several times. In 1976 a televised documentary report UFOS: It Has Begun[39] written by Robert Emenegger was presented by Rod Serling, Burgess Meredith and José Ferrer. Some sequences were recreated based upon the statements of eyewitness observers, together with the findings and conclusions of governmental civil and military investigations. The documentary uses a hypothetical UFO landing at Holloman AFB as a backdrop. Paul Bennewitz The late 1970s also saw the beginning of controversy centered on Paul Bennewitz of Albuquerque, New Mexico.[40] 1980s MJ-12 The so-called Majestic 12 documents surfaced in 1982, suggesting that there was secret, high-level U.S. government interest in UFOs dating to the 1940s. Upon examination, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) declared the documents to be "completely bogus", and many ufologists consider them to be an elaborate hoax.[41][42] Linda Moulton Howe Linda Moulton Howe is an advocate of conspiracy theories that cattle mutilations are of extraterrestrial origin and speculations that the U.S. government is involved with aliens.[43][44][45][46] Milton William Cooper In the 1980s, Milton William Cooper achieved a degree of prominence due to his conspiratorial writings.[47] Bob Lazar In November 1989, Bob Lazar appeared in a special interview with investigative reporter George Knapp on Las Vegas TV station KLAS to discuss his alleged employment at S-4.[48] In his interview with Knapp, Lazar said he first thought the saucers were secret, terrestrial aircraft, whose test flights must have been responsible for many UFO reports. Gradually, on closer examination and from having been shown multiple briefing documents, Lazar came to the conclusion that the discs must have been of extraterrestrial origin. He claims that they use moscovium, an element that decays in a fraction of a second, to warp space, and that “Grey” aliens from the Zeta Reticuli star system. According to the Los Angeles Times, he never obtained the degrees he claims to hold from MIT and Caltech.[49][50] UFO Cover-Up?: Live! On October 14, 1988, actor Mike Farrell hosted U.S. UFO Cover-Up: Live!, a two-hour television special "focusing on the government's handling of information regarding UFOs" and "whether there has been any suppression of evidence supporting the existence of UFOs".[51] July 1989 MUFON Convention The Mutual UFO Network held their 1989 annual convention in Las Vegas, Nevada, on July 1, 1989. The Ufologist Bill Moore was scheduled as the main speaker, and he refused to submit his paper for review prior to the convention, and also announced that he would not answer any follow-up questions as was common practice. Unlike most of the convention's attendees, Moore did not stay at the same hotel that was hosting the convention. When he spoke, Moore said that he and others had been part of an elaborate, long-term disinformation campaign begun primarily to discredit Paul Bennewitz: "My role in the affair ... was primarily that of a freelancer providing information on Paul's (Bennewitz) current thinking and activities".[52] Air Force Sergeant Richard C. Doty was also involved, said Moore, though Moore thought Doty was "simply a pawn in a much larger game, as was I."[52] One of their goals, Moore said, was to disseminate information and watch as it was passed from person to person in order to study information channels. Moore said that he "was in a rather unique position" in the disinformation campaign: "judging by the positions of the people I knew to be directly involved in it, [the disinformation] definitely had something to do with national security. There was no way I was going to allow the opportunity to pass me by ... I would play the disinformation game, get my hands dirty just often enough to lead those directing the process into believing I was doing what they wanted me to do, and all the while continuing to burrow my way into the matrix so as to learn as much as possible about who was directing it and why."[53] Once he finished the speech, Moore immediately left the hotel and Las Vegas that same night. Moore's claims sent shock waves through the small, tight-knit UFO community[citation needed], which remains divided as to the reliability of his assertions. 1990s On November 24, 1992, a UFO reportedly crashed in Southaven Park, Shirley, New York.[54] John Ford, a Long Island MUFON researcher, investigated the crash. Four years later, on June 12, 1996, Ford was arrested and charged with plotting to poison several local politicians by sneaking radium in their toothpaste. On advice of counsel Ford pleaded insanity and was committed to the Mid Hudson Psychiatric Center. Critics say the charges are a frame-up. The Branton Files have circulated on the internet at least since the mid-1990s. They essentially recirculate the information presented above, with many asides from "Branton", the document's editor. Philip Schneider of the patriot movement, an engineer and geologist formerly working for the U.S. government, made a few appearances at UFO conventions in the 1990s, espousing essentially a new version of the theories mentioned above. He claimed to have played a role in the construction of Deep Underground Military Bases (DUMBs) across the United States, and as a result he said that he had been exposed to classified information of various sorts as well as having personal experiences with EBEs. He claimed to have survived the Dulce Base catastrophe and decided to tell his tale.[55] He died by suicide on January 17, 1996, after a series of lectures given in late 1995 on topics including the Black Budget and underground alien bases. Others believe that Schneider did not take his own life and that he was actually murdered by the government.[56] In 1999 a group in France published a study, "UFOs and Defense: What Must We Be Prepared For?" Among other topics, the study concluded that the United States government has withheld valuable evidence.[57] 2000s 2003 saw the publication of Alien Encounters (ISBN 1-57821-205-7), by Chuck Missler and Mark Eastman, which primarily re-stated the notions presented above (especially Cooper's) and presents them as fact. MoD secret files Eight files from 1978 to 1987 on UFO sightings were first released on May 14, 2008, to the National Archives' website by the British Ministry of Defence. Two hundred files were set to be made public by 2012. The files are correspondence from the public sent to government officials, such as the MoD and Margaret Thatcher. The information can be downloaded.[58] Copies of Lt. Col. Halt's letter regarding the sighting at RAF Woodbridge (see above[where?]) to the U.K. Ministry of Defence were routinely released (without additional comment) by the USA's base public affairs staff throughout the 1980s until the base closed. The MoD released the files due to requests under the Freedom of Information Act.[59] The files included, among other things, alien craft flying over Liverpool and Waterloo Bridge in London.[60] Disclosure In the early 2000s, the concept of "disclosure" became increasingly popular in the UFO conspiracy community: that the government had classified and withheld information on alien contact and full disclosure was needed, and was pursued by activist lobbying groups. In 1993, Steven M. Greer founded the Disclosure Project to promote the concept. In May 2001, Greer held a press conference at the National Press Club in D.C that demanded Congress hold hearings on "secret U.S. involvement with UFOs and extraterrestrials".[61][62][63] It was described by an attending BBC reporter as "the strangest ever news conference hosted by Washington's August National Press Club."[64] The Disclosure Project's claims were met with by derision by skeptics and spokespeople for the U. S. Air Force.[65][66] In 2013, the production company CHD2, LLC[67] held a "Citizen Hearing on Disclosure" at the National Press Club in D.C from 29 April to 3 May 2013. The group paid former U.S. Senator Mike Gravel and former Representatives Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick, Roscoe Bartlett, Merrill Cook, Darlene Hooley, and Lynn Woolsey $20,000 each to participate, and to preside over panels of academics and former government and military officials discussing UFOs and extraterrestrials.[68] Other such groups include Citizens Against UFO Secrecy, founded in 1977. Allegations of evidence suppression Allegations of suppression of UFO related evidence have persisted for many decades. Some conspiracy theories also claim that some governments might have removed and/or destroyed/suppressed physical evidence; some examples follow. On July 7, 1947, William Rhodes photographed an unusual object over Phoenix, Arizona.[69] The photos appeared in a Phoenix newspaper and a few other papers. Angoldmann sachs are run by sociopathic hypocrite lying greedy slimy jew cunts Army Air Force intelligence officer and an FBI agent interviewed Rhodes on August 29 and convinced him to surrender the negatives, which he did the next day. He was informed he wouldn't be getting them back, but later he tried, unsuccessfully, to retrieve them.[70][71] The photos were analyzed and subsequently appeared in some classified Air Force UFO intelligence reports. (Randle, 34–45, full account)[19] A June 27, 1950, movie of a "flying disk" over Louisville, Kentucky, taken by a Louisville Courier-Journal photographer, had the USAF Directors of counterintelligence (AFOSI) and intelligence discussing in memos how to best obtain the movie and interview the photographer without revealing Air Force interest. One memo suggested the FBI be used, then precluded the FBI getting involved. Another memo said "it would be nice if OSI could arrange to secure a copy of the film in some covert manner," but if that wasn't feasible, one of the Air Force scientists might have to negotiate directly with the newspaper.[72][73] In a recent interview, the photographer confirmed meeting with military intelligence and still having the film in his possession until then, but refused to say what happened to the film after that.[74] In another 1950 movie incident from Montana, Nicholas Mariana filmed some unusual aerial objects and eventually turned the film over to the U.S. Air Force, but insisted that the first part of the film, clearly showing the objects as spinning discs, had been removed when it was returned to him.[75] According to some conspiracy theorists, during the military investigation of green fireballs in New Mexico, UFOs were photographed by a tracking camera over White Sands Proving Grounds on April 27, 1949. They claim that the final report in 1951 on the green fireball investigation claimed there was insufficient data to determine anything. Conspiracy theorists claim that documents later uncovered by Dr. Bruce Maccabee indicate that triangulation was accomplished. The conspiracy theorists also claim that the data reduction and photographs showed four objects about 30 feet in diameter flying in formation at high speed at an altitude of about 30 miles. According to conspiracy theorists, Maccabee says this result was apparently suppressed from the final report.[76] On January 22, 1958, when NICAP director Donald Keyhoe appeared on CBS television, his statements on UFOs were censored by the Air Force. During the show when Keyhoe tried to depart from the censored script to "reveal something that has never been disclosed before," CBS cut the sound, later stating Keyhoe was about to violate "predetermined security standards" and about to say something he wasn't "authorized to release." Conspiracy theorists claim that what Keyhoe was about to reveal were four publicly unknown military studies concluding UFOs were interplanetary (including the 1948 Project Sign Estimate of the Situation and Blue Book's 1952 engineering analysis of UFO motion). (Good, 286–287; Dolan 293–295)[17][77] A March 1, 1967 memo directed to all USAF divisions, from USAF Lt. General Hewitt Wheless, Assistant Vice Chief of Staff, stated that unverified information indicated that unknown individuals, impersonating USAF officers and other military personnel, had been harassing civilian UFO witnesses, warning them not to talk, and also confiscating film, referring specifically to the Heflin incident. AFOSI was to be notified if any personnel were to become aware of any other incidents. (Document in Fawcett & Greenwood, 236.)[78] John Callahan, former Division Chief of the Accidents and Investigations Branch of the FAA, Washington D.C., also a Disclosure Project witness, said that following the Japan Air Lines flight 1628 incident that involved a giant UFO over Alaska, recorded by air and ground radar, the FAA conducted an investigation. Callahan held a briefing a few days later for President Reagan's Scientific Study Group, the FBI, and CIA. After the briefing, one of the CIA agents told everybody they "were never there and this never happened," adding they were fearful of public panic.[79] According to one theory related to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, the CIA killed Kennedy in order to prevent him from leaking information to the Soviet Union about a covert program to reverse-engineer alien technology (i.e., Majestic 12).[80] Nick Cook, an aviation investigative journalist for Jane's Information Group and researcher of Billion Dollar Secret[81] and author of The Hunt for Zero Point[82] claims to have uncovered documentary evidence that top-secret US Defense Industry technology has been developed by government-backed Defense Industry programs, beginning in the 1940s using research conducted by Nazi scientists during WWII and recovered by Allied Military Intelligence, then taken to the U.S. and developed further with the collaboration of the same former German scientists at top-secret facilities established at White Sands, New Mexico, and later at Area 51, allegedly resulting in production of real-world prototype operational supersonic craft actually tested and used in clandestine military exercises, with other developments incorporated later into spy aircraft tasked with overflying hostile countries: the UFO story that evidence of alien technology is being suppressed and removed or destroyed was generated and then promoted by the CIA, beginning 1947, as false-lead disinformation to cover it all up for the sake of National Security, particularly during the Cold War, at a time when (his investigations found) the Soviet Union too was developing its own top-secret high-tech UFO craft. Cook's conclusions, alleging suppression of evidence of advanced human technology instead of alien, together with what he presents as declassified top-secret documents and blueprints, and his interviews of various experts (some of doubtful reliability), was developed and broadcast as a feature documentary on British television in 2005 as "UFOs: The Secret Evidence" and in the US in 2006 as a two-part episode on the History Channel's UFO Files, retitled "An Alien History of Planet Earth", with an added introduction by actor William Shatner. The History Channel program teaser promised "...a look at rumors of classified military aircraft incorporating alien technology into their designs." In 1993, Steven M. Greer founded the Disclosure project to promote the concept of disclosing allegedly suppressed evidence of extraterrestrials. In May 2001, Greer held a press conference at the National Press Club in D.C that featured "20 retired Air Force, Federal Aviation Administration and intelligence officers" who demanded that Congress begin hearings on "secret U.S. involvement with UFOs and extraterrestrials"[61][62][63] In 2013, Sen. Mike Gravel claimed that the government was suppressing evidence of extraterrestrials.[83] Benjamin Radford has pointed out how unlikely such suppression of evidence is given that "[t]he UFO coverup conspiracy would have to span decades, cross international borders, and transcend political administrations" and that "all of the world's governments, in perpetuity, regardless of which political party is in power and even among enemies, [would] have colluded to continue the coverup."[84] In popular fiction In fiction and Sci reality, television programs (like The X-Files, Stargate, and Project Blue Book), films (such as Men in Black and Independence Day), and any number of novels have featured elements of UFO conspiracy theories. 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