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Bingo... was sooooo close to going the E46 route but the subframe issues scared me not to mention it seemed like there were TONS of normal maintenance things you had to do... RTAB bushings, shims, etc.

 

I second the 996 vote. Only thing you have to watch out for is RMS leaks, which are easy to spot ahead of purchase and if the clutch has been replaced most likely it won't be an issue anyway. Other than that the entire car is practically bomb proof.

 

Seems like the best bang for the buck. Personally I just can't get over the front bumpers on the 99-01 C2/C4's... I'd have to up the ante to a C4S or Turbo... Normal mileage turbos can be had for under 40k.... Thats a 100-120k discount off sticker folks... and it is a true supercar. Don't know of much that can touch its performance potential out of the box for less money.

 

996 gt3RS are only circa £50k that is a lot of bang for your buck.

 

All 996 are cheep due to the ugly light/front bumper combo.

 

Edit, to add also Porsche is no longer a rare super-car marque and now a mainstream to high end mass producer.

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I just ran across this black on black Cayenne S on AutoTrader for <20k! And that's a dealer's list price...you could possibly get it for thousands less!

 

I can't understand why people would buy something like a brand new RAV4 or something like that for around the same price (or more!)...this Cayenne is soo much cooler! :)

 

EDIT: But I guess that's just me...I can understand the Cayenne is less "practical," is used so has many more miles on it, etc.

 

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I personally am usually disgusted by these Italian monstrosities, and the extreme exclusivity in particular of the Enzo.

 

I also think this car is hideous. But some serious thought went into its development. Nice commentary on the characteristics of the car in this vid.

 

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7jsauspMmU]YouTube - Enzo car review - Top Gear - BBC[/ame]

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I personally am usually disgusted by these Italian monstrosities, and the extreme exclusivity in particular of the Enzo.

 

I also think this car is hideous. But some serious thought went into its development. Nice commentary on the characteristics of the car in this vid.

 

 

Forrestang,

 

I must say I generally agree with you, I myself lean more towards good ol American muscle like the ZR1, or even better the Mustang GT500. Have you seen the changes Ford has in store for the 2011 model?

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Nice thread.

The wife got an Audi TT a little over a year ago. I have been really impressed. No problems other than I can ride in it but not comfortably it grips my kidneys.

I haven't looked for some time. Is there an American made sports car at all now - I mean from an American company? I know some BMWs and others are made here.

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Speaking of cars... I just got stuck in Boulder for 4 hours in the snow because my car is RWD.

 

I think it's time to move onto something AWD... Not sure what I like though that is affordable lol

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Speaking of cars... I just got stuck in Boulder for 4 hours in the snow because my car is RWD.

 

I think it's time to move onto something AWD... Not sure what I like though that is affordable lol

 

I like the LS 460 L AWD as a daily driver in the snow. I especially like the reclining back seats. Thats a pretty high end luxury feature you won't find in to many other cars. Get one a few years old, probably cost you around $45,000 if you have someone good to buy from.

 

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Forrestang,

 

I must say I generally agree with you, I myself lean more towards good ol American muscle like the ZR1, or even better the Mustang GT500. Have you seen the changes Ford has in store for the 2011 model?

 

Come on guys, are you really comparing American muscle cars to pieces of art like Ferrari, Maserati, Lamborghini etc.? :rofl:

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Come on guys, are you really comparing American muscle cars to pieces of art like Ferrari, Maserati, Lamborghini etc.? :rofl:

 

"To each his own"

 

It is very interesting how different everyone's opinion can be about cars. There were some people that decided to buy Pontiac Aztec. Everyone likes what they like.

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Ok heres a Q for you guys, i know its a slight diversion of the thread but.....

 

What cars are going to appreciate going forwards and are desirable, I should say excluding already stupid priced exotics such as Ferrari 250 GTO and so on.

 

I have a few ideas of my own but interested as to others thoughts.

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I think thats a really hard one... I think that the 670-SV will be because its the last of the Murci's and its the most hard core version yet.

 

Honestly I don't see the Scud's or 16M's appreciating that much...

 

I think the Carrera GT is a steal right now (prices have been dropping during the '07 collapse and are starting to bounce up again). I think its an iconic car and its limited production and current prices all lean towards good appreciation.

 

Maybe the Enzo... the Bugatti and Reventon's are out as far as i'm concerned because I think the pricing is ludicrous as is - let alone thinking they will appreciate that much beyond where they are right now.

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I think thats a really hard one... I think that the 670-SV will be because its the last of the Murci's and its the most hard core version yet.

 

Honestly I don't see the Scud's or 16M's appreciating that much...

 

I think the Carrera GT is a steal right now (prices have been dropping during the '07 collapse and are starting to bounce up again). I think its an iconic car and its limited production and current prices all lean towards good appreciation.

 

Maybe the Enzo... the Bugatti and Reventon's are out as far as i'm concerned because I think the pricing is ludicrous as is - let alone thinking they will appreciate that much beyond where they are right now.

 

Agreed on the SV long term although shorter term dip imo. Also agree on the Carrera GT and Enzo for sure.

 

The Vyrons, Reventon, One 77, Pagini and Konig are all just mental and price is not even worth talking about.

 

My thoughts were Ferrari 550, 575, 355, 456, Porker 993 esp turbo / RS spec.

 

I guess what im thinking of is future classics, and sports cars you can use and lose without paying for the pleasure in hefty depreciation.:)

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Two words - Acura NSX.

 

You are probably right about that.

 

The best way to make money with cars is to have a license to buy at auctions. I have a friend who does this and makes a healthy living. He bought 2008 S550 with very low mileage for around $40k. I don't remember the last time he owned a car he couldn't immediately sell for a decent profit.

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Great point re the NSX, now that is a brilliant machine!

 

No license needed this side of the pond for auctions but I would never buy there, it is a dodgy game unless you really know what your doing as there are so many dogs sold esp the better cars, unless its something like COYs when they are so rare and exotic they go for millions!

 

I'm not fussed about making money on cars if I was I would have been a motor dealer, just want to enjoy quality motors for free! :)

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Come on guys, are you really comparing American muscle cars to pieces of art like Ferrari, Maserati, Lamborghini etc.? :rofl:

 

That would be a silly comparison. You really have to look at the cars individually as too many are entities in their own rights. Engineering that went into it, cost, performance, styling, exclusivity etc..... That's why it's sometimes silly to say car X is better than car Z.

 

Casual outsiders that watch James Bond films make such comparisons.... not people that understand or appreciate how all these variables can fit together.

 

Most cars have "some" value. The ZR1 for examples absolutely the best bang for buck super car in terms of sheer performance( and many tests have that car absolutely smoking other Lamborghinis, Porsches and other expensive cars in straight lines and around corners), but is lacking in many departments(build quality, interior, refinement etc) to the more expensive counterparts. BUt if you want a grocery getter that is affordable and can be easily modified to be a street driven low 11 second car, get an evo. If engineering and exclusivity is your thing, the ENZO is just about unbeatable. The spectrum is wide and vast.

 

For example I think the Enzo is hideous, but how can you not appreciate the engineering that went into that machine, I might call it a piece of art, albeit an ugly one, but whatever.

 

Each bringing something different. Usually too many variables to make certain comparisons.

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^^^ There is a shop that does tuning for the new CTS-V and their shop car is pushing around 750hp IIRC - The thing launched and accelerated so hard at the drag strip it triggered the OnStar crash detection due to the g-force shock of acceleration.... Must be crazy fast!

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^^^ There is a shop that does tuning for the new CTS-V and their shop car is pushing around 750hp IIRC - The thing launched and accelerated so hard at the drag strip it triggered the OnStar crash detection due to the g-force shock of acceleration.... Must be crazy fast!

 

LOL :rofl::rofl::rofl:

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