Jump to content

Welcome to the new Traders Laboratory! Please bear with us as we finish the migration over the next few days. If you find any issues, want to leave feedback, get in touch with us, or offer suggestions please post to the Support forum here.

  • Welcome Guests

    Welcome. You are currently viewing the forum as a guest which does not give you access to all the great features at Traders Laboratory such as interacting with members, access to all forums, downloading attachments, and eligibility to win free giveaways. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free. Create a FREE Traders Laboratory account here.

snowrex

Best Automated Trading Platform

Recommended Posts

why don't you try zulutrade...open a demo and start following...it is a very good tool for a beginner, especially for autotrading forex...thousands of systems to follow, just be careful in lots allocation do not over expose your account too much, afterthat the margin-call will be jsut around the corner :helloooo:

 

thanks a lot jean

cheers robin

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I'm not sure Zulutrade is such a good recommendation. I recently read this post on its forum, and I have to agree with everything its said:

ZuluTrade Forum • View topic - how many of traders are making money in zulutrade?

 

I have to totally agree with this statement: "of course zulutrade has good SPs BUT they are rank far below and very few people are following them."

 

Only the cowboys appear on the leaderboards. nuf said.

 

thanks once again to take the effort to participate BUT what would you reccomend instead then? The question to me really is - who is making money trading - preferably with binary options but also with forex - and is prepared to share his knowledge regarding autotrading, system and the platform he is using?

 

is anyone prepared?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Tradestation is pretty good as JB said. I use thinkorswim and they have a platform called Prodigio. Another option is a program like Tickit, also based out of Chicago. There's also a site called 'CurrenSee' that essentially uses the hedge fund model, kind of hard to explain, but might be worth looking into.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

For a system that will let you copy trades from other traders i would say that the best solution is to try zulutrade because it has as far as i know the biggest number of clients and providers , the second platform that i know is mirror trader but it's not as popular and too few systems/traders to choose from.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
thanks for your reply - that is the question indeed - but isnt that here a big forum? i was actually hoping to get some recommendations

 

If I had to pick a provider I would choose someone to follow according to:

"max dd", "weeks" and "win %"

after you eliminate the most dangerous ones, you can focus on "avg trade time" and "avg pips"

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The automated trading systems are more in the competition, but few of them only reach the people desires...Some reviewers are made the rating regarding on that versatile use of the automatic trading system!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
There's no future with those automated trading systems. They are made by marketers to grab your money, not by traders.

 

What utter rubbish! Go and look at the track record of a fund like Dunn, Winton, or John W Henry. Totally mechanical trading, and some of them have been doing it for over thirty years.

 

Yes, there are probably a lot of crap, over-optimised trading systems out there, but the idea that trading systems as a whole don't work is complete nonsense.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
What utter rubbish! Go and look at the track record of a fund like Dunn, Winton, or John W Henry. Totally mechanical trading, and some of them have been doing it for over thirty years.

 

Yes, there are probably a lot of crap, over-optimised trading systems out there, but the idea that trading systems as a whole don't work is complete nonsense.

 

 

Your source please?:

 

We would appreciate your source that the likes of fund managers like Dunn, Winton and John Henry are using mechanical automated trading systems.

 

Also, 30 years ago is a little stretch methinks. I started trading 26 years ago, we had little RadioShak TRS-80's with tiny numerical screens, but we received our charts via US Mail every Saturday morning on newsprint. We would hand draw our indicators on those charts and call our brokers to place trades. Mechanical trading was unthinkable then... at least for us mere mortals.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Most of those mentioned - Dunn, JW Henry, Winton are LONG TERM trend followers, and some of them are very systemised.

There is a lot of controversy about their systems in terms or are they broken, how systematic are they, how diversified they are, how long/short term they are, if they actually produce alpha.etc, etc;

This is very, very different from what most would consider robots for day trading.....

 

Others of note can be found here - a very good site to further investigate

Trend Following Wizards Performance | Au.Tra.Sy blog - Automated trading System

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Most of those mentioned - Dunn, JW Henry, Winton are LONG TERM trend followers, and some of them are very systemised.

There is a lot of controversy about their systems in terms or are they broken, how systematic are they, how diversified they are, how long/short term they are, if they actually produce alpha.etc, etc;

This is very, very different from what most would consider robots for day trading.....

 

Others of note can be found here - a very good site to further investigate

Trend Following Wizards Performance | Au.Tra.Sy blog - Automated trading System

 

Makes sense. Thank you.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

FYI...

 

Automated trading platforms use programming languages to execute trading algorithms ("if then trade"). Examples include NinjaTrader, TradeStation, MultiCharts, NeoTicker, etc.

 

Trading signal services such as Zulutrade or Collective2 etc. are NOT automated trading platforms.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Your source please?:

 

We would appreciate your source that the likes of fund managers like Dunn, Winton and John Henry are using mechanical automated trading systems.

 

Also, 30 years ago is a little stretch methinks. I started trading 26 years ago, we had little RadioShak TRS-80's with tiny numerical screens, but we received our charts via US Mail every Saturday morning on newsprint. We would hand draw our indicators on those charts and call our brokers to place trades. Mechanical trading was unthinkable then... at least for us mere mortals.

 

If your statement is true for 'automated' trading systems (wherein a computer executes orders according to the system's rules) then it's true for mechanical trading systems in general. The post you made was interpreted by me to be an attack on the validity of mechanical trading.

 

If you visit the Dunn Capital website, for instance, you will see that it clearly states that they operate 100% mechanical systems I quite frankly couldn't care whether Mr Dunn pulls the trigger personally, or whether he has a computer do it for him - the point stands that mechanical (and therefore automated) trading can be very profitable over the long term, and is not just a ruse of 'vendors', as your original post claims.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Most of those mentioned - Dunn, JW Henry, Winton are LONG TERM trend followers, and some of them are very systemised.

There is a lot of controversy about their systems in terms or are they broken, how systematic are they, how diversified they are, how long/short term they are, if they actually produce alpha.etc, etc;

This is very, very different from what most would consider robots for day trading.....

 

Others of note can be found here - a very good site to further investigate

Trend Following Wizards Performance | Au.Tra.Sy blog - Automated trading System

 

Hi SIUYA,

 

I wasn't aiming to suggest that the funds I mentioned were short term in their trading style (Winton may be in part, but I really have no idea), or imply that they offer any worthwhile pointers for those looking for daytrading robots. I was simply responding to what appeared to be an attack on the validity of mechanical trading by giving examples of high performing CTAs who have a proven audited track record that is about as beyond dispute as these things ever get (of course there are always the Madoffs out there!).

 

People have been proclaiming the death of trend following for about twenty years now, but still those equity curves keep on pointing upwards so personally I doubt that their systems are broken.

 

Thanks for what looks like a very interesting link.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

not taken in any other way bluehoreseshoe.....so no problems

 

however I think when it comes to day trading the algorithmic/sytematic/automated trading strategies and the robots, are different to those of the ling term ones.....thats all. Plus some of those funds do diversify across different time frames. Most of them (at a guess from what i have seen and heard/read) also use manual traders to input the trades spat out by the computer as they manage the trades rather than just let the computer fire them in.

And as mentioned by Mr You the platforms are different to the systems and strategies. :)

 

Yes the link by Jez Liberty is very good and links to other trend following sites for those interested. (Jez is a great guy and very switched on)

Edited by SIUYA

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

When I read on forums discussions about automated trading systems, the first thing that comes to mind are those high-frequency robots so commonly marketed via Clickbank which are good for nothing except emptying your wallet in more ways than one.

 

However, with credit to Bluehorseshoe saying that these funds do use automated systems to execute 100% of their trades. Then I think of those profitable systems which I have seen in the past which trade once every couple/few months or very seldom. Yeah, they're profitable, but the rate of too slow for me and did I mention a little too boring? Are their any HF trading systems that are profitable for anyone else except the broker? That remains to be seen.

 

I see Dunn accomplished a 1% return for January. Still, not great for the type of returns I'm seeking. I would rather continue manual trading. By the way, my results for Jan was +7.78%, and February at +11.82%. But again, I'm not moving battleships with my trading, as he probably is with his trading. I've had a couple good months, and maybe he's had a bad month. So what.

 

Bottom line: I am sure there is merit in some automated trading systems, but just not those ones that come to mind and commonly seen on the internet. I would be interested in testing/using systems that had low drawdowns under 15%.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

 

I see Dunn accomplished a 1% return for January. Still, not great for the type of returns I'm seeking. .

 

exactly......institutions mainly invest with these guys to diversify an existing portfolio - they are not looking for spectacular returns, even though the more aggressive ones can get that.

Look at how they went in 2008.

like most things comparing apples with oranges is not going to help, and some of these do move battleships around....heard of Winton?

 

Point is these guys would not likely be using automated systems similar to the ones we see, they often have systems that spit out trades based on rather simple algorithims for trade entries and their key to making money is usually that they have a very diversifed potfolio of instruments to trade around the world. The trades are most likely entered via a blend of manual and automated systems that are done in house.

Trading robots offered by others.....well there is the great if it works so well why sell it conundrum......

 

Personally - you need a diversified approach whereby you understand some things work but not all the time and a bit of manual discretion is needed. Though others will disagree.

As far as platforms go for the retail guy.....try Sierra Chart, multicharts, tradestation.

As far as using a robot some one else has developed.....no interest.:2c:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
thanks once again to take the effort to participate BUT what would you reccomend instead then? The question to me really is - who is making money trading - preferably with binary options but also with forex - and is prepared to share his knowledge regarding autotrading, system and the platform he is using?

 

is anyone prepared?

 

No doubt, that for forex trading the MT4 platform is the best for automated trading. Unfortunately not every broker welcomes EA traders (usually market makers) so try ECN brokers for this kind of trading (such as Sunbirfx or Alpari UK).

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
FYI...

 

Automated trading platforms use programming languages to execute trading algorithms ("if then trade"). Examples include NinjaTrader, TradeStation, MultiCharts, NeoTicker, etc.

 

Trading signal services such as Zulutrade or Collective2 etc. are NOT automated trading platforms.

 

I thought they were called automated platforms as well because they automatically copy the signals for execution in your account.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I thought they were called automated platforms as well because they automatically copy the signals for execution in your account.

 

trading platform and offering trade copy service are different things but feel free to call it whatever you want;)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I thought they were called automated platforms as well because they automatically copy the signals for execution in your account.

 

it is called automated platform because YOU and I (followers) can copy other signals, zulutrade is just the environment that providers you with these signals.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I also think you will not learn how to trade from these signaling services because you do not learn the internals of how their signals are generated. You're better off learning a tried and true price action trading method.

 

A quote from someone on another forum: "Zulutrade is not trading. It is gambling in my opinion."

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
huhhh, so how exactly are you trading forex then? :crap:

 

Believe me, zulutrade or Metatrader do not have an exclusive on Forex. Not even close. They probably get less than 1/10th of 1% of the forex transactions worldwide. I was trading forex long before these guys and will continue trading forex long after them.

 

I use Tradestation for charting as I have done since the 80s. My first copy was sold to me by Bill Cruz himself (Tradestation called SystemWriter in those days).

 

For trade execution, I use currently Oanda for my personal/family trading account. And, I use HotSpotFxi for the institutional account I manage. Not my choice, but it's an excellent platform anyway and I am use to it.

 

It is only my opinion, but I feel the Metatrader platform is setup to help the trader lose money the quickest. It is made for the broker, you know! And, by the Russians! And, it's hack-city within that community. What do your really expect? It's setup to help you lose money the quickest with the way it positions leverage, and its use of colors (reds specifically). My two centavos.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


  • Topics

  • Posts

    • $HPE Hewlett Packard Enterprise stock low volume pullback to the 17.02 triple+ support area, https://stockconsultant.com/?HPE
    • $VKTX Viking Therapeutics stock attempting to move higher off the 64.24 support area, volume 47% above normal, https://stockconsultant.com/?VKTX
    • Date: 26th April 2024. Alphabet Easily Beat Earnings Predictions But Focus Shifts to Today’s PCE Data. Microsoft and Alphabet’s earnings reports beat expectations pushing the NASDAQ to the top of the charts. The Bank of Japan keep interest rates unchanged applying pressure on the Japanese Yen. The Yen Index declines 0.36% and is down 40% against the USD over the past 5 years. The US GDP growth rate falls below its 2.5% expectations, reading 1.6%, but economists advise the Fed may only cut once in 2024! The market turns its attention to the Core PCE Price Index which analysts expect to fall from 2.8% to 2.6%. USA100 – Alphabet Easily Beat Analysts’ Earnings Predictions and Sees its P/E Ratio Fall! The price of the NASDAQ ended the day higher and rose to a slightly higher high. As a result, the index is close to forming a traditional bullish trend and making Wednesday’s decline a retracement or medium-term correction. In terms technical analysis, indicators are mainly indicating a reverting price condition where the asset cannot maintain longer term momentum. However, momentum indications provide a slight bullish bias. The upward price movement is being driven by earnings reports from Microsoft and Alphabet which beat earnings expectations. Microsoft is the most influential stock for the NASDAQ while Alphabet is the third most influential. Alphabet’s earnings beat expectations by 21.61% and revenue rose more than $6 billion. As a result, the price of the stock rose 11.56% after market close. Furthermore, Microsoft’s Earnings Per Share beat Wall Street’s expectations by 3.40% and revenue by 1.50%. The stock rose by 4.30% after market close and is close to trading at the all-time high. However, investors should note that from the “magnificent 7”, Alphabet and Meta have the lowest Price to Earnings ratio. Meaning these stocks are the most likely to be trading below their intrinsic value. However, investors should note that negatives for the stock market in general remain. This also supports the bias shown by technical analysis. The GDP growth rate fell considerably below expectations while inflation data continues to show signs of rising prices. Investors will closely be monitoring today’s Core PCE Price Index which is the most watched index by the Federal Reserve. Analysts expect the Core PCE Price Index to fall from 2.8% to 2.6%. If the index reads more than 0.3%, a rate cut will become unlikely making stocks less attractive. Whereas, if the PCE Price Index is not as high as expectations, Bond Yields will likely decline, as will the US Dollar and a rate cut will be put back on the table. As a result, investors may look to take advantage of the strong earnings and continue purchasing stocks. USDJPY – BOJ Hold Interest Rates Unchanged! The price of the USDJPY exchange rate again rose to an all-time recent high after increasing in value for 3 consecutive days. Trend and momentum-based indicators point towards a higher price. However, the exchange rate is trading within the overbought range of most oscillators and is also showing a divergence pattern. Both are known to indicate a decline, but not necessarily a complete change of trend. The Bank of Japan’s statement from earlier this morning was largely “dovish” and gave no clear indication that the central bank wishes to keep rising interest rates. However, shortly the Governor will answer questions from journalists and may give a more hawkish tone. Either way, investors are mainly concentrating on if the Federal Government will again opt to intervene within the currency market. Most economists believe the intervention will only come if the USD continues to rise and it will not be before the Core PCE Price Index. Always trade with strict risk management. Your capital is the single most important aspect of your trading business. Please note that times displayed based on local time zone and are from time of writing this report. Click HERE to access the full HFM Economic calendar. Want to learn to trade and analyse the markets? Join our webinars and get analysis and trading ideas combined with better understanding on how markets work. Click HERE to register for FREE! Click HERE to READ more Market news. Michalis Efthymiou Market Analyst HFMarkets Disclaimer: This material is provided as a general marketing communication for information purposes only and does not constitute an independent investment research. Nothing in this communication contains, or should be considered as containing, an investment advice or an investment recommendation or a solicitation for the purpose of buying or selling of any financial instrument. All information provided is gathered from reputable sources and any information containing an indication of past performance is not a guarantee or reliable indicator of future performance. Users acknowledge that any investment in FX and CFDs products is characterized by a certain degree of uncertainty and that any investment of this nature involves a high level of risk for which the users are solely responsible and liable. We assume no liability for any loss arising from any investment made based on the information provided in this communication. This communication must not be reproduced or further distributed without our prior written permission.
    • 📁 Population in 2100, as projected by UN Population Division.   🇮🇳 India: 1,533 million 🇨🇳 China: 771 million 🇳🇬 Nigeria: 546 million 🇵🇰 Pakistan: 487 million 🇨🇩 Congo: 431 million 🇺🇸 US: 394 million 🇪🇹 Ethiopia: 323 million 🇮🇩 Indonesia: 297 million 🇹🇿 Tanzania: 244 million 🇪🇬 Egypt: 205 million 🇧🇷 Brazil: 185 million 🇵🇭 Philippines: 180 million 🇧🇩 Bangladesh: 177 million 🇳🇪 Niger: 166 million 🇸🇩 Sudan: 142 million 🇦🇴 Angola: 133 million 🇺🇬 Uganda: 132 million 🇲🇽 Mexico: 116 million 🇰🇪 Kenya: 113 million 🇷🇺 Russia: 112 million 🇮🇶 Iraq: 111 million 🇦🇫 Afghanistan: 110 million   @FinancialWorldUpdates Profits from free accurate cryptos signals: https://www.predictmag.com/   
    • “If the West finds itself falling behind in AI, it won’t be due to a lack of technological prowess or resources. It won’t be because we weren’t smart enough or didn’t move fast enough. It will be because of something many of our Eastern counterparts don’t share with us: fear of AI.   The root of the West's fear of AI can no doubt be traced back to decades of Hollywood movies and books that have consistently depicted AI as a threat to humanity. From the iconic "Terminator" franchise to the more recent "Ex Machina," we have been conditioned to view AI as an adversary, a force that will ultimately turn against us.   In contrast, Eastern cultures have a WAY different attitude towards AI. As UN AI Advisor Neil Sahota points out, "In Eastern culture, movies, and books, they've always seen AI and robots as helpers and assistants, as a tool to be used to further the benefit of humans."   This positive outlook on AI has allowed countries like Japan, South Korea, and China to forge ahead with AI development, including in areas like healthcare, where AI is being used to improve the quality of services.   The West's fear of AI is not only shaping public opinion but also influencing policy decisions and regulatory frameworks. The European Union, for example, recently introduced AI legislation prioritizing heavy-handed protection over supporting innovation.   While such measures might be well-intentioned, they risk stifling AI development and innovation, making it harder for Western companies and researchers to compete.   Among the nations leading common-sense AI regulation, one stands out for now: Singapore.” – Chris C Profits from free accurate cryptos signals: https://www.predictmag.com/ 
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use.