Jump to content

Welcome to the new Traders Laboratory! Please bear with us as we finish the migration over the next few days. If you find any issues, want to leave feedback, get in touch with us, or offer suggestions please post to the Support forum here.

  • Welcome Guests

    Welcome. You are currently viewing the forum as a guest which does not give you access to all the great features at Traders Laboratory such as interacting with members, access to all forums, downloading attachments, and eligibility to win free giveaways. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free. Create a FREE Traders Laboratory account here.

notouch

Order spoofing

Recommended Posts

Something interesting happened today in YM which happens quite often. If you looked at the order book 15-20 minutes after the open you would have seen about 450 bids sitting above the monthly pivot at 12764. Normally you don't see 450 bids or offers at any one price in YM so it was a fairly blatant example or order spoofing. The purpose of order spoofing is so newbies will try to put orders ahead of the big one. The spoofer then sells to the newbies and pulls his bids. The price then collapses, as happened today. If you can identify order spoofing you can be on the side of the big player and against the newbies.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I am very glad to see that you caught on that one notouch. I was actually long from a few ticks above but had a reverse order at 12763.. 1 tick below the monster bid.

 

I had it placed at 12763 because I knew the moment 12764 was taken out, price was going to collapse. I saw tape trying to bid hard above 764.. it was trying to climb back up above 670, tested it mulitple times and failed. The tape was showing clear weakness hence the reason why I took a 6 tick loss and reversed immediately. Tape tells it all :)

 

Good post notouch.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

All it takes is for them to cancel to order to remove any supporting or resisting order.

 

They do that stuff all the time on Level 2 for nasdaq stocks and I'm not surprised someone is doing it for the YM as well.

 

But also think of it this way, at 450 lots, that's $2250 per tick. Were they trying to really sell rather than buy knowing that "newbies" would see that huge bid and go long the market.

 

We'll never know, just speculate because they may have been offering the market on a smaller size.

 

There was one thing I noticed a while ago, the levels were pretty thick for about 5 levels below the best bid around 200 lots each level, that support held, I don't know what the tape did, but prices rallied from that point.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Where are you guys seeing these bid sizes on TS? Level II? The "Matrix?" Thanks.

 

The matrix shows bids/asks 4-5 levels deep. With futures, it is nothing like watching Level 2 market maker games but it is quite interesting when you see 200-400 lot bid/ask getting pulled away.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

does anyone know of the legalities of such an action? In Australia there are laws against market manipulation and price manipulation but I'm not 100% sure on how they work. I've thought about doing something similar myself just to see if i can get a few ppl thinking there is a large move happening in a particular stock but stopped myself short because I faced a moral dilema!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
The matrix shows bids/asks 4-5 levels deep. With futures, it is nothing like watching Level 2 market maker games but it is quite interesting when you see 200-400 lot bid/ask getting pulled away.

 

Soul - on my trading platform I have 10 levels deep on the YM. I understand that the CBOT offers 10, but some platforms only provide 5. Just an FYI in case that's of interest to anyone.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I have 10 too.

 

Ime (limited as it is), I have found that the sizes on the bid/ask are bogus a great percentage of the time. It's mostly to try to fool people.

 

 

I will look at the sizes as to where to place orders sometimes, but never to try to predict market direction.

 

Tape doesn't lie. the order book does

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I have 10 too.

 

Ime (limited as it is), I have found that the sizes on the bid/ask are bogus a great percentage of the time. It's mostly to try to fool people.

 

 

I will look at the sizes as to where to place orders sometimes, but never to try to predict market direction.

 

Tape doesn't lie. the order book does

 

Totally agree. I never trust those darn Level 2. Just once in a while you catch something interesting .

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest cooter
Soul - on my trading platform I have 10 levels deep on the YM. I understand that the CBOT offers 10, but some platforms only provide 5. Just an FYI in case that's of interest to anyone.

 

Actually the CBOT offers 15 levels deep; at least that's what I see from my broker on the Dow contracts and the US Treasury futures...

 

Interesting thing is that the TS matrix (or at least the T&S and charts) are actually faster than the order matrix from one of my brokers - go figure.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


  • Topics

  • Posts

    • $ARRY Array Technologies stock great day off the 10.96 double support area, from Stocks To Watch, https://stockconsultant.com/?ARRY
    • $MSFT Microsoft stock back up top of the range, breakout watch , https://stockconsultant.com/?MSFT
    • GBTC Grayscale Bitcoin stock top of range breakout watch , https://stockconsultant.com/?GBTC
    • $FSLR First Solar stock nice bull flag breakout, from Stocks To Watch, https://stockconsultant.com/?FSLR
    • Date: 22nd May 2024. UK Inflation Drop Boosts GBP, But Analysts See Correction Signals. The NASDAQ forms its 5th bullish wave resulting in the index trading 8% higher this month alone. Investors are waiting for NVIDIA’s earnings report. The market awaits the release of the latest FOMC Meeting Minutes for further indications on the potential rate adjustments. The US Dollar Index declines to a 7-week low, but can tonight’s Meeting Minutes change the trend? Read below what economists are predicting. UK inflation declines from 3.2% to 2.3% in its largest drop since December 2023. The Pound increases as the inflation rate did not decline to 2.1% as previously GBPUSD – UK Inflation Drops But Does Not Meet Previous Expectations! The GBPUSD is trading 0.30% higher after the release of April’s UK inflation figures. The US Dollar and the Japanese Yen are the worst performing currencies of the day. Traders looking to speculate a rising Pound may benefit from these weakening currencies. The GBPJPY is trading 0.47% higher so far. However, investors should be cautious of any change in price action as the next session (European Market) opens. The UK’s inflation figure fell from 3.2% to 2.3% which is the largest drop in 2024 so far and brings the Bank of England closer to its target. This would normally pressure the currency, but there are some factors which have triggered a bullish Pound. This includes the Core Consumer Price Index which fell from 4.2% to 3.9% instead of falling to 3.6% which were the previous expectations. Also, certain sectors did not see a decline in inflation in April, which is a continued concern. For these reasons, investors have increased their exposure to the Pound, supporting the currency. Also, economists are advising that the weakening inflation rate can increase investment demand which also further supports the country’s economy and subsequently the currency. Furthermore, investors will also need to take into consideration the price condition of the US Dollar individually. Dollar traders will be focusing on tonight’s Federal Open Market Committee’s Meeting Minutes. The market will particularly be looking for clarity on how many adjustments are likely in 2024, if any at all. In addition to this, if an adjustment is likely in July, September or later in the year. If the report indicates less cuts and a delay, the US Dollar potentially can witness further demand and a change in trend. This is something which was particularly seen in April 2024. The price action of the GBPUSD is forming a bullish trend and most trend-based indicators are signalling a higher price. However, there are signs that the price may correct back to the previous range. For example, on the 4-Hour chart the price is witnessing a divergence signal. in addition to this, the price is also trading at a significant resistance level from November, December and January. Though, for the resistance level to become active, the Dollar will likely require support from the upcoming Meeting Minutes. In the short term, sell signals are likely to materialize after crossing 1.27400 and 1.27268.   USA100 – Bullish Trend, But Investor Focus On Meeting Minutes & NVIDIA Earnings The NASDAQ saw a decline in the price as the US Open was approaching, however, the price momentum quickly changed when US investors started trading. The index rose 0.30% by the end of day and was the best performing US index. During the US Session 62.5% of stocks holding a weight of more than 1.00% rose while 37.5% fell. The main price drivers which supported the upward price movement were Microsoft, Alphabet, Apple, NVIDIA and Netflix. Investors will closely be monitoring the upcoming earnings report for NVIDIA, but also the FOMC’s Meeting Minutes. A more restrictive monetary policy can pressure the stock market, but the level of pressure and downward price movement will also depend on the results of NVIDIA’s earnings. Additionally, shareholders will also focus on Intuit’s Quarterly Earnings Report tomorrow evening, but this will have a lesser effect compared to NVIDIA. A concern for intraday traders is the decline in indices around the world in markets which are currently open. For example, the DAX, FTSE100, CAC and Nikkei225 are all trading lower. In addition to this, the US 10-Year Bond Yields are trading 0.0027% higher which is additional pressure on equities. Nonetheless, technical analysis in the medium to longer term continue to point to a continued upward trend. Always trade with strict risk management. Your capital is the single most important aspect of your trading business. Please note that times displayed based on local time zone and are from time of writing this report. Click HERE to access the full HFM Economic calendar. Want to learn to trade and analyse the markets? Join our webinars and get analysis and trading ideas combined with better understanding on how markets work. Click HERE to register for FREE! Click HERE to READ more Market news. Michalis Efthymiou Market Analyst HFMarkets Disclaimer: This material is provided as a general marketing communication for information purposes only and does not constitute an independent investment research. Nothing in this communication contains, or should be considered as containing, an investment advice or an investment recommendation or a solicitation for the purpose of buying or selling of any financial instrument. All information provided is gathered from reputable sources and any information containing an indication of past performance is not a guarantee or reliable indicator of future performance. Users acknowledge that any investment in FX and CFDs products is characterized by a certain degree of uncertainty and that any investment of this nature involves a high level of risk for which the users are solely responsible and liable. We assume no liability for any loss arising from any investment made based on the information provided in this communication. This communication must not be reproduced or further distributed without our prior written permission.
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use.