Jump to content

Welcome to the new Traders Laboratory! Please bear with us as we finish the migration over the next few days. If you find any issues, want to leave feedback, get in touch with us, or offer suggestions please post to the Support forum here.

  • Welcome Guests

    Welcome. You are currently viewing the forum as a guest which does not give you access to all the great features at Traders Laboratory such as interacting with members, access to all forums, downloading attachments, and eligibility to win free giveaways. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free. Create a FREE Traders Laboratory account here.

brownsfan019

Trader P/L 2010

Recommended Posts

Put on a short on the DAX before US open but it reached my stop loss before crashing :crap::crap: The high was 7 ticks above my stop.

 

Ended up with a $30 loss.

 

I usually only trade once per day and they are usually overnight positions.

 

iug0l1ij.jpg

 

Just to illustrate....The black is where I shorted, the blue lines were my stops.

 

11trn4l4.jpg

 

 

Hope the day went better for some of you :P

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Was down 980 at one point so to end the day with a loss of 125 was a victory for the day.

 

Sounds like a real slugfest ... way to fight your back! When I have days like that I usually find myself down 980 early in the day, and if I don't stop, I end the day down 9800. I usually stop. Usually.

 

Best Wishes,

 

Thales

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

+$60 or so

 

Annoying. This day should have been very profitable and finished early. 2 of my signals triggered and hit their targets very quickly. Clockwork. However, I missed them both for various reasons. Bit annoyed after that but manged to eek out a tick or 2 to get me ever so slightly green for the day.

 

Would be nice to be able to program so that i could automate a strategy and actually get a propper backtest done to give me some confidence (or not!) without having to do it manually whenever i get some spare time.

 

Thalestrader: I know that you trade manually, but have you been able to ever run a backtest of your method? Or do you believe that you method is too discretionary to do such a thing? I ve been thinking a bit recently about all this. I guess people who can program have a certain advantage and will waste less time on fruitless ideas and get necessary confidence quicker due to the ability to backtest/automate?

tlpnl.thumb.JPG.8c0ac01d9796ac1aa04dacb7b0b04808.JPG

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Going against the trend + overtrading = not good!

 

well i always go against the trend, but i feel ya on the overtrading part! Took 45 trades in oil today - mostly because i was behind and was trying to erase my loss.

 

i have actually gone back and looked at my best days - rarely do i do more than 10 - 12 trades. On losing days I always seem to be in the 20 - 30 range. hmmmm.....

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Actually I usually am contrarian as well but coupled with overtrading it can lead to bad results. The thing is, I was unsure of putting on the trades because the market didn't look like it had reached a temporary bottom but I did it anyway because of fear of leaving money on the table.

 

Do you scalp?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

Do you scalp?

 

Most of the time. When I scalp and I know I am scalping I can pull 8 - 10¢ out of oil with regularity. My problems occur when I enter a trade as a counter trend scalp and decide it can be a swing trade. Then I widen my stop and usually get burned. The trade I made to make up my losses was a single trade that netted 2k, however that is not what I am comfortable with. My identity when I am on is to be a bricklayer and come to the market everyday and take advantage of the bearish nature of commodities.

 

Just typing this lets me see the error of my ways, so thanks for allowing me to have this cathartic experience.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I've heard this many times and am realizing it more now, that many trading methods are good in a trending or a choppy market but not both. This leads me to think you have to do one of the following:

1. find a way to determine what each day is going to be before trading and then use the matching method (not sure anyone has a good way to predict if the days action will be trending or nontrending)

2. find a method of trading that works in both

3. trade your method on both types of days but try to set rules to limit losses on a day that is not ideal for your method

4. give up and play the lotto

 

That is more than you asked but I had a few more things on my mind.

 

1: Very difficult to know in advance, based on past movements, whether a trending or non-trending day is going to show up tomorrow IMO. Let's scratch this option.

 

2: Trending day - play breakouts, moving average pullbacks. Non-Trending - play candle reversals @ bollinger bands. It's that easy IF you know which one to use that day. Let's scratch this option as well.

 

3: This is my preferred choice of the 4. Why? B/c I don't think #1 is possible to do w/ consistency and in order to do #2 I think you need #1 so by default if nothing else, we are on to option #3.

 

4: Tempting, but I think you'll get better odds heading to Vegas and having a hell of a time at the craps tables.

 

So option #3 appears to be the best choice at this point. So the key Dinero is simple (yet hard) - knowing when to shut your system down for the day and when to keep it running.

 

As Thales said - you may want to refine your entries as well using some sort of filter to keep you out of as many bad trades as possible. The L, LL, HL method, the 2B method, using some volatility bands/indicators, whatever.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

3: This is my preferred choice of the 4. Why? B/c I don't think #1 is possible to do w/ consistency and in order to do #2 I think you need #1 so by default if nothing else, we are on to option #3.

 

This sounds like the best way to trade to me and is what I do.

 

Intraday what looks like a trending day can quickly turn into something else all together. The market can chop all morning and then trend all afternoon also. My advise would be to have a setup that works for you most of the time and when you spot this take advantage of it.

 

In the time I have traded I have come across countless setups, I cant look for all of these during the day, I look for the ones that are mostly profitable for me, if I looked for them all I would have conflicting views all day and would be hedging a lot. Not to mention commission would be through the roof.

Edited by bathrobe

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

New year update -- I will try to get my p/l up from last week and caught up later today but I wanted to just put a little post up that might help Dinero (and any others in the same situation of having this huge basket to trade from and feeling like you are thinned out) - the last week or so I've just been focusing on the CL to trade. The moves and profit potential is unmatched for me and my trading, so all effort is now being directed there. I have a CL chart up with 3 different timeframes and that's it. I'm still looking for the setups that I prefer the most, but using 3 different (albeit close) timeframes to get into trades. The CL is just providing too many opportunities that I can miss staring at other charts at this point in time. I have no idea how long it will continue like this, but for now, I'm just trading the CL.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So option #3 appears to be the best choice at this point. So the key Dinero is simple (yet hard) - knowing when to shut your system down for the day and when to keep it running.

 

All my trades are based around S/R levels so here are the rules I am considering implementing for regulating when to shut'er down. I am also only looking to trade reversals as I don't feel competent enough to trade breakouts yet.

 

1. Only 2 entries are allowed at each S/R level to catch a move. After 2 tries, only watching is allowed. (my stops are normally ~5 ticks away from entry so 2 stop outs would be ~10 ticks on oil or natural gas)

2. Stop trading all together for the day if I have been stopped out 4 times in a row or if a closed trade makes my loss greater than $200.

 

Let me know if these make any sense or if you have found a more logical basis for these types of rules.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
All my trades are based around S/R levels so here are the rules I am considering implementing for regulating when to shut'er down. I am also only looking to trade reversals as I don't feel competent enough to trade breakouts yet.

 

1. Only 2 entries are allowed at each S/R level to catch a move. After 2 tries, only watching is allowed. (my stops are normally ~5 ticks away from entry so 2 stop outs would be ~10 ticks on oil or natural gas)

2. Stop trading all together for the day if I have been stopped out 4 times in a row or if a closed trade makes my loss greater than $200.

 

Let me know if these make any sense or if you have found a more logical basis for these types of rules.

 

1: Sounds good if the entry method is refined enough for you to be able to say that 2 shots is enough.

 

2: If you are planning to trade the CL and stop when your day loss reaches $200 = 20 ticks. Depends on your entry and stop loss as to whether or not that makes sense.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

1-21-10: +$1730

 

1-25-10: +$1860

 

Some nice trading the CL here lately. You'll notice that today's screenshot includes a ninjatrader recap as I was doing some testing with it today. Good idea to have more than 1 broker account open should something happen to your main one.

1-25-2010.png.31659eaca28b522c3529a557d8646284.png

5aa70fb46bda1_NTPL.png.46b18fa75c608f48df22a63466821694.png

5aa70fb46e570_1-21OILPL.png.3008f0117af0e1fb26fe110ae0cef77d.png

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Only down $500 today before getting my discipline. By the end of the week maybe I'll be back to starting the day with discipline. Waaaaaaay too many trades to get the 487 I wound up with. Gotta get this shit together.

 

attachment.php?attachmentid=18307&stc=1&d=1264468169

 

Is that 30 individual trades or is that cumulative and trading multiple contracts? If that's the # of trades being done, that's a lot IMO. I'm shooting for around 5 per day to give you an idea. Not saying it's bad, just is quite a bit of trading.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Is that 30 individual trades or is that cumulative and trading multiple contracts? If that's the # of trades being done, that's a lot IMO. I'm shooting for around 5 per day to give you an idea. Not saying it's bad, just is quite a bit of trading.

 

Its individual trades. Don't be nice - you can rip me. I know its idiotic. My best days are never more than 10 trades. I have been overtrading because I have been starting each day down so much. I am a counter trend trader and if I am not patient and dont follow my setups to the "T" I lose. I did very well in dec. and was overly anxious to start the new year. I am still profitable but just DONATING too much to the broker.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Its individual trades. Don't be nice - you can rip me. I know its idiotic. My best days are never more than 10 trades. I have been overtrading because I have been starting each day down so much. I am a counter trend trader and if I am not patient and dont follow my setups to the "T" I lose. I did very well in dec. and was overly anxious to start the new year. I am still profitable but just DONATING too much to the broker.

 

I think that's a ton of trading in 1 day, esp when you consider that oil is open 9am-230pm basically. The good news is that you did get back on the day, the bad news is that it took quite a bit to get there. And today was a day where it did give you a chance to get back as there wasn't a clear, one way direction trend to fight. My biggest concern would be what if it was a straight shot, look out below trend and you kept fighting it over and over? Could you come back the next day and fight again?

 

It's good that you are aware that you do not like trading this much and want to do something about it. That's a big deal as many would ignore it.

 

Keep using this thread to keep you on track and if you know you want to be at 10 trades or under, make that the goal!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Well, my first day trading a smaller account and I seemed to have forgotten all my rules and traded like a complete novice. Not to mention watching two perfect oil trades go by and 2 es trades. I am quitting early today to regroup and refocus. I may spend the entire afternoon jogging so I will have no trouble getting a good nights sleep. At least I ended the day up.

2010.PNG.7e3392299526f9ffdb494e7b50977ae7.PNG

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
... the last week or so I've just been focusing on the CL to trade. The moves and profit potential is unmatched for me and my trading, so all effort is now being directed there. ... for now, I'm just trading the CL.

 

Brownie, what have you started?! I read your post the other day, and thought I'd check out the action on crude. I have since decided that when my daughter starts trading her futures account this coming summer, she will trade currencies and crude, not the ES.

 

I've been doing some demo trades myself. Like I said to Dinero in another thread a few weeks ago, Crude is a very well-behaved market right now.

 

So here is my demo blotter - repeat, demo - I did not trade these with live money. Currencies and stocks are enough for me to handle. I'm treating crude as a sort of video game to play with. What liked the best is that my average trade time was 21 minutes. Anything I can make book on with such limited exposure gets my attention.

 

Best Wishes,

 

Thales

5aa70fb6bd67f_2010-01-26CLDemoBlotter1.jpg.077a204bb5174d5dc25c0e228dd6631d.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Brownie, what have you started?! I read your post the other day, and thought I'd check out the action on crude. I have since decided that when my daughter starts trading her futures account this coming summer, she will trade currencies and crude, not the ES.

 

I've been doing some demo trades myself. Like I said to Dinero in another thread a few weeks ago, Crude is a very well-behaved market right now.

 

So here is my demo blotter - repeat, demo - I did not trade these with live money. Currencies and stocks are enough for me to handle. I'm treating crude as a sort of video game to play with. What liked the best is that my average trade time was 21 minutes. Anything I can make book on with such limited exposure gets my attention.

 

Best Wishes,

 

Thales

 

Welcome to the oil family Thales. It seems like before BF started posting about oil I never really heard much discussion about it on the forum but it seems to have seduced many. Of course, you are no stranger to crude. I know you posted about having very long term positions on oil as it came down from its highs.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Be careful who you blame.   I can tell you one thing for sure.   Effective traders don’t blame others when things start to go wrong.   You can hang onto your tendency to play the victim, or the martyr… but if you want to achieve in trading, you have to be prepared to take responsibility.   People assign reasons to outcomes, whether based on internal or external factors.   When traders face losses, it's common for them to blame bad luck, poor advice, or other external factors, rather than reflecting on their own personal attributes like arrogance, fear, or greed.   This is a challenging lesson to grasp in your trading journey, but one that holds immense value.   This is called attribution theory. Taking responsibility for your actions is the key to improving your trading skills. Pause and ask yourself - What role did I play in my financial decisions?   After all, you were the one who listened to that source, and decided to act on that trade based on the rumour. Attributing results solely to external circumstances is what is known as having an ‘external locus of control’.   It's a concept coined by psychologist Julian Rotter in 1954. A trader with an external locus of control might say, "I made a profit because the markets are currently favourable."   Instead, strive to develop an "internal locus of control" and take ownership of your actions.   Assume that all trading results are within your realm of responsibility and actively seek ways to improve your own behaviour.   This is the fastest route to enhancing your trading abilities. A trader with an internal locus of control might proudly state, "My equity curve is rising because I am a disciplined trader who faithfully follows my trading plan." Author: Louise Bedford Source: https://www.tradinggame.com.au/
    • SELF IMPROVEMENT.   The whole self-help industry began when Dale Carnegie published How to Win Friends and Influence People in 1936. Then came other classics like Think And Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill, Awaken the Giant Within by Tony Robbins toward the end of the century.   Today, teaching people how to improve themselves is a business. A pure ruthless business where some people sell utter bullshit.   There are broke Instagrammers and YouTubers with literally no solid background teaching men how to be attractive to women, how to begin a start-up, how to become successful — most of these guys speaking nothing more than hollow motivational words and cliche stuff. They waste your time. Some of these people who present themselves as hugely successful also give talks and write books.   There are so many books on financial advice, self-improvement, love, etc and some people actually try to read them. They are a waste of time, mostly.   When you start reading a dozen books on finance you realize that they all say the same stuff.   You are not going to live forever in the learning phase. Don't procrastinate by reading bull-shit or the same good knowledge in 10 books. What we ought to do is choose wisely.   Yes. A good book can change your life, given you do what it asks you to do.   All the books I have named up to now are worthy of reading. Tim Ferriss, Simon Sinek, Robert Greene — these guys are worthy of reading. These guys teach what others don't. Their books are unique and actually, come from relevant and successful people.   When Richard Branson writes a book about entrepreneurship, go read it. Every line in that book is said by one of the greatest entrepreneurs of our time.   When a Chinese millionaire( he claims to be) Youtuber who releases a video titled “Why reading books keeps you broke” and a year later another one “My recommendation of books for grand success” you should be wise to tell him to jump from Victoria Falls.   These self-improvement gurus sell you delusions.   They say they have those little tricks that only they know that if you use, everything in your life will be perfect. Those little tricks. We are just “making of a to-do-list before sleeping” away from becoming the next Bill Gates.   There are no little tricks.   There is no success-mantra.   Self-improvement is a trap for 99% of the people. You can't do that unless you are very, very strong.   If you are looking for easy ways, you will only keep wasting your time forgetting that your time on this planet is limited, as alive humans that is.   Also, I feel that people who claim to read like a book a day or promote it are idiots. You retain nothing. When you do read a good book, you read slow, sometimes a whole paragraph, again and again, dwelling on it, trying to internalize its knowledge. You try to understand. You think. It takes time.   It's better to read a good book 10 times than 1000 stupid ones.   So be choosy. Read from the guys who actually know something, not some wannabe ‘influencers’.   Edit: Think And Grow Rich was written as a result of a project assigned to Napoleon Hill by Andrew Carnegie(the 2nd richest man in recent history). He was asked to study the most successful people on the planet and document which characteristics made them great. He did extensive work in studying hundreds of the most successful people of that time. The result was that little book.   Nowadays some people just study Instagram algorithms and think of themselves as a Dale Carnegie or Anthony Robbins. By Nupur Nishant, Quora Profits from free accurate cryptos signals: https://www.predictmag.com/    
    • there is no avoiding loses to be honest, its just how the market is. you win some and hopefully more, but u do lose some. 
    • $CSCO Cisco Systems stock, nice top of range breakout, from Stocks to Watch at https://stockconsultant.com/?CSCOSEPN Septerna stock watch for a bottom breakout, good upside price gap
    • $CSCO Cisco Systems stock, nice top of range breakout, from Stocks to Watch at https://stockconsultant.com/?CSCOSEPN Septerna stock watch for a bottom breakout, good upside price gap
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use.