Jump to content

Welcome to the new Traders Laboratory! Please bear with us as we finish the migration over the next few days. If you find any issues, want to leave feedback, get in touch with us, or offer suggestions please post to the Support forum here.

  • Welcome Guests

    Welcome. You are currently viewing the forum as a guest which does not give you access to all the great features at Traders Laboratory such as interacting with members, access to all forums, downloading attachments, and eligibility to win free giveaways. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free. Create a FREE Traders Laboratory account here.

brownsfan019

Trader P/L 2009

Recommended Posts

42409.thumb.jpg.e0a09aa5fc7c12888f2df9a11ba91475.jpg

 

 

Took some stupid trades and whole day was :crap: managed to get back a little above even. Well I guess im lucky and monday is another day. Gave a good weekend everyone.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

There seems to be a dissagreement between those of you who think trading on sim will help and those of you who think it will instill bad ideas. I have a bit of money put away to trade, and was wondering if putting a small amount in an account would help me with the psychological aspect of trading would help or should I jump right in? I have a plan which I have written out over several years, and I have been studying the markets also. The only reason I did not simtrade before was to not possibly develop bad habits.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi Sensei,

 

I think that there is no disagreement.

 

You have a plan, and if you start small, and if you can survive a loss, and if know what you do (and I think you do), you do it right.

 

I use sim trades, because I focused a long time on all these indicators,

but I still have to work on my plan. So this is my problem, not yours.

And for me, in my situation, sim is right.

 

I think finally its up to every person her/himself to decide, what might be the best way to reach her/his goals.

 

I think, I just wrote my posts, because newer newbies than myself

read this thread, and might come to the maybe premature opinion (IMO),

that sim is useless at all.

 

Again, there is no disagreement.

 

Use sim as long as necessary,

then trade real.

 

Hal

Edited by HAL9000
Little thingies.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
There seems to be a dissagreement between those of you who think trading on sim will help and those of you who think it will instill bad ideas. I have a bit of money put away to trade, and was wondering if putting a small amount in an account would help me with the psychological aspect of trading would help or should I jump right in? I have a plan which I have written out over several years, and I have been studying the markets also. The only reason I did not simtrade before was to not possibly develop bad habits.

 

Sensei, Trading how you normally would do according to your plan in a funded account in my opinion will teach you the actual psycholigical aspects that every trader deals with every day.

 

SIM is great for many, I just believe that the fear/greed do not play the role they normally would without real money on the line.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
There seems to be a dissagreement between those of you who think trading on sim will help and those of you who think it will instill bad ideas. I have a bit of money put away to trade, and was wondering if putting a small amount in an account would help me with the psychological aspect of trading would help or should I jump right in? I have a plan which I have written out over several years, and I have been studying the markets also. The only reason I did not simtrade before was to not possibly develop bad habits.

 

Trading on Simulator Account is almost the same a trading Live , both have to have a STOP Loss and if the Stop Loss Exit is hit too many consecutive times, then there is something wrong with the Entry Method, period.

 

The only difference between SIM and Live is for someone that concentrates or focuses on the Profits or Loss and does not pay enough attention to the Entry Method. That person would be inpaired or disadvantaged because the psychological or mental discipline required for trading would be lost.

 

I traded SIM for more than a year, and until I saw 10 or more consecutive Wining Trades without hitting my STOP Loss, I did NOT traded Live.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I couldn't agree more. I too will try to post a p/l here daily. I suppose you only want real money trades not practice accounts. I have a spotty record for trading real money, so I still practice alot. However I now have my account refunded and I will post any real trading days I have here. I trade the YM mostly, as a relative noob I like the smaller increments for entry and exits but I watch both ym and es. But I guess this is not really the thread to be pratelling on in. lol Well good luck to both of you.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

today I have problems with computer and software ...

if everything was working ..I would have good pnl....

but anyway manage to stay positive

pl6.jpg.84c0820b5a74407cdc8a557630b3c238.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I didn't trade real money today and only up $165. on my practice acct. I placed my first trade on my practice acct. and caught that first hr. pop for 50 pt move on the YM using my EMA cross-over signal and then another smaller long for 20 pt. I was just about to open my real account and tried one more practice and bang.. stopped out, then another and another. It just kept going down right thru all my longer ema's and right thru at least 2 pivots. So needless to say I spent the rest of the day recovering my losses on my practice account and ended up $165. So all in all not bad. I will endeavor to find my you know what's tomorrow and start trading for real. Let me know if this is too long a post. But I must say I can see where this kind of a daily venting could be very theraputic... lol lol. Thanks Robert

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I agree with bathrobe the sim doesn't factor in the most important factor of trading your head. The fear and greed aspect can't be simulated, Example in a sim account you will normally enter the trade set you profit and loss and wait. Easy right. Well of course it is it is not real money.

 

I actually performed a small test with my 10 year old. I explained a simple moving average method using a 13 period MA and ttm ttm trend. She performed well followed the directions and played it like a game. The rules where followed to the T about 95% of the time. She said it was easy and couldn't understand that I actually did this for a living.

 

I then told her that her allowance would depend on how much money she made she also wanted a new laptop so I told her she would have to trade for it. Well guess what happened next. Everything changed . She took quick profits and stopped following the rules. Greed and fear took over. This quickly proved top me anyway the sim trading doesn't work. Aside from learing the nuances of trading software, or a new system and indicators.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I couldn't agree more. I too will try to post a p/l here daily. I suppose you only want real money trades not practice accounts. I have a spotty record for trading real money, so I still practice alot. However I now have my account refunded and I will post any real trading days I have here. I trade the YM mostly, as a relative noob I like the smaller increments for entry and exits but I watch both ym and es. But I guess this is not really the thread to be pratelling on in. lol Well good luck to both of you.

 

Robert - post WHATEVER your heart desires, whether that be real or sim. No one here cares and if they say something, I will just boot their ass outta here.

 

;)

 

So, welcome to the thread and look forward to seeing your daily blotters.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

4-28-09 follow up:

 

While I am happy w/ the end result P/L for today, I missed a couple trades that would have almost doubled the end result which is very frustrating for me. My goal of this thread for me personally was to work the plan and today I came up short. I missed a ZB trade and that first QM trade should have ended in +$200 or so. Those 2 would have added at least $500 into the end result.

 

So the plan is working, but the end user is still working on working the plan properly.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

First post regarding P/L. Not a typical day - caught a nice 2 day swing in the Eurex. Had the trade planned for a week - and it triggered nicely. Should have done better on exits - but somehow my interface with Ninja and the futures holding was not working - so just exited the contract when the market opened last eve.

 

The Bond and the Emini were more typical of my trades. 5aa70ec98d188_MondayApril28.thumb.png.5aad29745d60da4dfed831e5984b77c3.png

 

Trying to work a plan - ironing out entries and exits. Hope it continues...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Well, I spent the day trying to make sense of the time and sales on the Emini. Made some sim trades and ended up with a $125. loss. I will keep my eye on time and sales but I am much more comfortable with my other indicators. Today I will endeavor to trade for real.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

hard day for me today ..but at end still profitable ...

not happy with my decesions ..and focus

 

btw . brownsfan019..what happen today with ZB ...

I hope you catch this stress

pl8.jpg.5784a9e1cf633adc3bfe51678cd065d8.jpg

Edited by JKLM
message to brownsfan

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

4-29-09

 

attachment.php?attachmentid=10367&stc=1&d=1241031511

 

 

In the end, profitable day but missed some opportunities. Lack of focus today was the primary issue here apparently for me. I went in assuming that I might have a slower day due to FOMC, but in hindsight, there were plenty of more trades that I could have taken. Just goes to show that is you go into a day w/ a mindset, you might miss some blatantly obvious setups.

 

Note on the 6E trade - holy sh*t did I take some slippage on that trade. I went to get short on a sell stop that was not triggered until the 8:30am news (I was hoping to get filled before). In the process of having my sell stop issued when my price level was hit, I took a slippage of at least 10 ticks on that one. Not happy there but the options were: 1) leave trade on and accept it 2) let it go. I went w/ #1.

 

 

btw . brownsfan019..what happen today with ZB ...

I hope you catch this stress

 

The trade that I missed I was talking about JK was on the ZB. Really not happy that I missed an excellent short b/c I had checked out for the day.

 

:doh:

4-29-2009.png.dc5c724bc931004db79097546212e80b.png

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Traded the Emini on sim again today but with my regular signals and readings. $825. on 14 trades. On 2- I got out at even, 3- I got stopped out, that leaves 9 winners. Can't post a P/L stmt here cause the sim don't do it. I missed the first hr big move up but I got a good piece of the move at 1:30, and a nice long after the FOMC report came out. Anyways all in all not a bad day. Just wish I could remember where I left my you know what's, there around here somewhere, I'm sure they'll turn up soon. lol

 

robert

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Be careful who you blame.   I can tell you one thing for sure.   Effective traders don’t blame others when things start to go wrong.   You can hang onto your tendency to play the victim, or the martyr… but if you want to achieve in trading, you have to be prepared to take responsibility.   People assign reasons to outcomes, whether based on internal or external factors.   When traders face losses, it's common for them to blame bad luck, poor advice, or other external factors, rather than reflecting on their own personal attributes like arrogance, fear, or greed.   This is a challenging lesson to grasp in your trading journey, but one that holds immense value.   This is called attribution theory. Taking responsibility for your actions is the key to improving your trading skills. Pause and ask yourself - What role did I play in my financial decisions?   After all, you were the one who listened to that source, and decided to act on that trade based on the rumour. Attributing results solely to external circumstances is what is known as having an ‘external locus of control’.   It's a concept coined by psychologist Julian Rotter in 1954. A trader with an external locus of control might say, "I made a profit because the markets are currently favourable."   Instead, strive to develop an "internal locus of control" and take ownership of your actions.   Assume that all trading results are within your realm of responsibility and actively seek ways to improve your own behaviour.   This is the fastest route to enhancing your trading abilities. A trader with an internal locus of control might proudly state, "My equity curve is rising because I am a disciplined trader who faithfully follows my trading plan." Author: Louise Bedford Source: https://www.tradinggame.com.au/
    • SELF IMPROVEMENT.   The whole self-help industry began when Dale Carnegie published How to Win Friends and Influence People in 1936. Then came other classics like Think And Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill, Awaken the Giant Within by Tony Robbins toward the end of the century.   Today, teaching people how to improve themselves is a business. A pure ruthless business where some people sell utter bullshit.   There are broke Instagrammers and YouTubers with literally no solid background teaching men how to be attractive to women, how to begin a start-up, how to become successful — most of these guys speaking nothing more than hollow motivational words and cliche stuff. They waste your time. Some of these people who present themselves as hugely successful also give talks and write books.   There are so many books on financial advice, self-improvement, love, etc and some people actually try to read them. They are a waste of time, mostly.   When you start reading a dozen books on finance you realize that they all say the same stuff.   You are not going to live forever in the learning phase. Don't procrastinate by reading bull-shit or the same good knowledge in 10 books. What we ought to do is choose wisely.   Yes. A good book can change your life, given you do what it asks you to do.   All the books I have named up to now are worthy of reading. Tim Ferriss, Simon Sinek, Robert Greene — these guys are worthy of reading. These guys teach what others don't. Their books are unique and actually, come from relevant and successful people.   When Richard Branson writes a book about entrepreneurship, go read it. Every line in that book is said by one of the greatest entrepreneurs of our time.   When a Chinese millionaire( he claims to be) Youtuber who releases a video titled “Why reading books keeps you broke” and a year later another one “My recommendation of books for grand success” you should be wise to tell him to jump from Victoria Falls.   These self-improvement gurus sell you delusions.   They say they have those little tricks that only they know that if you use, everything in your life will be perfect. Those little tricks. We are just “making of a to-do-list before sleeping” away from becoming the next Bill Gates.   There are no little tricks.   There is no success-mantra.   Self-improvement is a trap for 99% of the people. You can't do that unless you are very, very strong.   If you are looking for easy ways, you will only keep wasting your time forgetting that your time on this planet is limited, as alive humans that is.   Also, I feel that people who claim to read like a book a day or promote it are idiots. You retain nothing. When you do read a good book, you read slow, sometimes a whole paragraph, again and again, dwelling on it, trying to internalize its knowledge. You try to understand. You think. It takes time.   It's better to read a good book 10 times than 1000 stupid ones.   So be choosy. Read from the guys who actually know something, not some wannabe ‘influencers’.   Edit: Think And Grow Rich was written as a result of a project assigned to Napoleon Hill by Andrew Carnegie(the 2nd richest man in recent history). He was asked to study the most successful people on the planet and document which characteristics made them great. He did extensive work in studying hundreds of the most successful people of that time. The result was that little book.   Nowadays some people just study Instagram algorithms and think of themselves as a Dale Carnegie or Anthony Robbins. By Nupur Nishant, Quora Profits from free accurate cryptos signals: https://www.predictmag.com/    
    • there is no avoiding loses to be honest, its just how the market is. you win some and hopefully more, but u do lose some. 
    • $CSCO Cisco Systems stock, nice top of range breakout, from Stocks to Watch at https://stockconsultant.com/?CSCOSEPN Septerna stock watch for a bottom breakout, good upside price gap
    • $CSCO Cisco Systems stock, nice top of range breakout, from Stocks to Watch at https://stockconsultant.com/?CSCOSEPN Septerna stock watch for a bottom breakout, good upside price gap
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use.