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Old 08-31-2007, 08:16 PM   #1

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Walter`s Forex "Trend Trades"

Hello dear fellow traders ¡¡ time has come to start a new thread on what I will call it "Trend Trades"...

So far my forex research has been going thru lots of diferent process wich I decided not to make so public, in order to only share relevant and usefull information here at TL...

I had been interacting privately with Don on some very interesting technical issues for wich I am so greatfull... Thanks Don for such great contributions ¡¡

You will notice that this thread will present a pre-elaborated concept of what I want to do, and somehow it will still be open for more optimizations on a near future, but I believe that what I will present here will not be very diferent to the final product of this trade...

I want to trade in this occasion with the trend... I will not fool arround with counter trend trades, thought in futures I am addicted to them, but in this case I will only focus on the trend side... so this will make the overall aproach very clear and easy to follow...

What I am going to present here its nothing new... its not rocket science, it will not amaze you... I am just going to present diferent parts of analysis developed by other traders from other forums on diferent areas... Then I will optimize to my taste this diferent analyisis and later put them all together in a comprehensive and simple ecuation that I will call it "Trend Trades"...

Let me first start with a great issue that has been taking me some great deal of time doing some thinking and coming to a sustainable conclusion : Weekly $ Targets and I know some people here do not agree in limiting profits, and I think we made all our statements on this issue on some other threads, and I had clearly stated that I like to make an X fixed amount of $ per day scalping futures, well in forex I will aim to make a X fixed amount of $ per week... this has an impact in organizing my psychological setup and also the technical $ range frame of my aproach... its incredibly important for me to have this clear targets in mind and stick to them and trade arround this targets... So in this case the target its going to be $20 per contract week.... (low target) easy to make and promotimg a very relaxed way of aproaching trading...

The second issue was Timeframe interestingly Brownsfan took the topic the other day and really its so important on the entire ecuation, where it marks a lot of aspects on your favor or not like : range of moves, RRR in relation to your costs, volume, time to think, life style etc... you all know I am quite scalper in futures, well on this forex research I did even come down to 15 tick charts on ninjatrader... well very nice charts but not really the most conveniant to the bussiness, so I started to look on some higher timeframes and see the benefits of looking at this more longer charts and without going so long the 5 min time frame has made me more confortable in all this aspects.... so at this point you will notice I will be working arround this timeframe... (5 min )...

So let me go to the center of the topic here: what is a trend trade ?

A trend trade is a trade that takes a clear trend definition and trades the dips on an UP trend and trades the rallys on a DOWN trend.... simple, stupid, basic...

What you need for a trend trade is all this :

To open position :

_Trend Definition

_Pullback Definition (dips and rallys)

_Timing Entry Definition

To Close Position :

_Stop Definition

_Exit Definition


Well there are thousands of this definitions outthere, some work , some dont ? why ? well its all about simplicity and optimization

Why some traders have an edge over others even doing the same kind of concept trend trade ? well its because some are very complicated in the way they defne trend for example... they need 13 indicators to establish a trend , then to time their entry they use other 5 indicator that have to "allign" so at this point they DO have the trend trade structure in mind BUT they have a mambo on their head

So creating a trend trade its not rocket science from a structural point of view, because actually that structure you will find it on any TA textbook...

But the science here is coming to the point of having superb simplicity...

On the other hand Optimization has a great deal on giving a trend trader an edge over a diferent trend trader... optimization is taking this definitions and finding the BEST way to express them... the most unnoisy and at the same time leading timing method for example... thats where optimization can change your life...

So this trend trade I am about to present here has some of this ingredients...

I will post soon, have to make some coffee.... cheers Walter.
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Cool Walter. I am looking forward to seeing what you have to say.
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Ok... so lets start with the first definition here : Trend Definition

We need to determine trend if we want to make trend trades, there are multiple ways of determining trend, but remember we are after simplicity and optimization...

Let me tell you a little bit of history now, how I came to the trend definition I am about to present... During this entire process I have been interacting a lot with Don, in some point Don has showed me some threads dealing with the topic "rainbow trading" if you would like to see some of this here I attach the links to this threads that deal with rainbows, one of the first developers on this aproach was GuppyMMA http://www.guppytraders.com/gup329.shtml you can get to see there some aspect on rainbows... after that a member called Linuxtroll develped something at here http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...ng#post1494655 about rainbows too... now in this case he doesnt give any hint on timing letting the traders figure that out by themselfs, wich it may work for some it may not for others...

Now this rainbows are simply averages, no sofistication here, you could simply use the smallest and the largest one and get the final same output... but the interesting thing here is that plotting all this lines actually give some more information in terms of momentum of trend wich can tell us about the quality of the trend...

Now as I like to take things a little further I came up with something I believe outstanding... some guy called Bemac, who is a moderator from this forum http://www.visualtradingcharts.com/forum/index.php came up with a NEW kind of Rainbow wich I notice nobody really understanded much the value of this new indicator as it almost did not get much response the indicator is presented here http://www.visualtradingcharts.com/f...ead.php?t=2767 and works on the VT platform wich is a very nice performing platform as it is also free with streaming realtime forex data...

Now this new Rainbow indicator is based from a Variable Moving Average, as you should know VMA`s do adapt their input depending on the amount of volatilty... here is some definition http://www.fmlabs.com/reference/defa...VariableMA.htm in that definition you may notice that the Chande Momentum Oscillator (CMO) is normally used for volatilty calculation on this average, well Bemac aparently uses some form of ADX for his VMA and then creates the rainbow with emas from this VMA...

To make it simple, this rainbow looks formidable ¡¡



It has some properties that I will try to explain gradually to you, so you can get to value this powerfull indicator...

First should we talk about the normal problems trend indicators suffer.... next post... cheers Walter.
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The great "Dilema" of trend indicators is whipsaws when volatilty drops, they just start performing in a way that all your dreams of having a resting villa at Dubai goes thru the toilet and here many people if they where at some time succesfull, they just return all their gains back to this non friendly market

SO..... SO... what to do about that ? how this complicates the challenge of having some trend definition ? for our trend trades...

It certainly is a hard issue that has to be dwelt and has to be "optimized" thru some new modern indicators...

In this case VMA`s and particularly this VMA from Bemac have some properties that will help us reduce dramatically the whipsaw dilema...

Let me show you how this works, a normal sma has the same input thru the entire dataseries, an ema gives some more weight on last data, but the vma literally changes its inputs depending on volatilty... so this way if things get chopy... this lines will literally get "horizontal"... what is the advantage of that ? well horizontal lines normally dont have much opotunity of crossing with other lines... so things kinda halt and just dont give us false signals...

Let me see if I can explain with some graphs here :




I hope you get the idea here, because understanding this it may represent you a great change on your trading life...

This "horizontal performance" has the effect of bringing down noise and whipsaws in an unprecedent scale...

Now when we take this and create a rainbow, things start to rock... but let me first show you some real life examples of this horizontal effect :



On the above chart I mark with elipses the chop areas and with arrows the trending areas... notice how during the chop the VMA (black line) literally gets horizontal, and during trending she starts to follow...

With a regular average on this chops you would been chopped in various pieces but with this one you are simply in one side of the rainbow... meditate on this... its simply powerfull yet so simple... cheers Walter.
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Thanks guys, I am so excited with this ¡¡ feel free to interact, I am posting gradually here, there is lots in front, I know the Tokyo gang will overperform the markets ¡¡ cheers Walter.
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You're one smart dude. I like the logical breakdown. I'm tracking.
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Impressive walter!!!! I see you've been doing your homework!! Tokyo, here we come!!
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