Jump to content

Welcome to the new Traders Laboratory! Please bear with us as we finish the migration over the next few days. If you find any issues, want to leave feedback, get in touch with us, or offer suggestions please post to the Support forum here.

  • Welcome Guests

    Welcome. You are currently viewing the forum as a guest which does not give you access to all the great features at Traders Laboratory such as interacting with members, access to all forums, downloading attachments, and eligibility to win free giveaways. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free. Create a FREE Traders Laboratory account here.

Sign in to follow this  
Soultrader

Chat Transcript with Suri Duddella: October 24, 2008

Recommended Posts

This is a transcript from October 24, 2008 with Suri Duddella, author of "Trade Chart Patterns Like The Pros".

 

[16:10:40] suriNotes: Thanks all for attending my presentation/chat session

[16:10:41] Soultrader: http://www.traderslaboratory.com/webinars/suriDuddella_TL_Oct2408.pdf'>http://www.traderslaboratory.com/webinars/suriDuddella_TL_Oct2408.pdf'>http://www.traderslaboratory.com/webinars/suriDuddella_TL_Oct2408.pdf'>http://www.traderslaboratory.com/webinars/suriDuddella_TL_Oct2408.pdf'>http://www.traderslaboratory.com/webinars/suriDuddella_TL_Oct2408.pdf

[16:10:44] Tasuki: pity

[16:11:07] suriNotes: I'll be typing some of my presentation... so pl. bear with me w/spellings etc

[16:11:20] Tasuki: s'OK, suri

[16:11:25] suriNotes: The presentation is about 60 slides and I'll try to be fast

[16:11:32] suriNotes: we will cover in 45-60m

[16:11:40] suriNotes: and then I'll answer any questions you may have

[16:12:03] angelaktariel: sounds great Suri

[16:12:04] suriNotes: Some of you know me form my book and other presentations

[16:12:14] suriNotes: but I'll give a brief introduction in the presentation

[16:12:34] suriNotes: I'll be calling for the SLIDE page []

[16:12:44] suriNotes: and then go on presenting

[16:12:54] suriNotes: Do all of you have the Presentation?

[16:12:58] suriNotes: http://www.traderslaboratory.com/webinars/suriDuddella_TL_Oct2408.pdf

[16:13:02] simb11: yes

[16:13:07] suriNotes: gr8

[16:13:07] stanlyd: y

[16:13:08] myrtleturtle: y

[16:13:14] Tasuki: y

[16:13:16] quintadocedro1: y

[16:13:21] dona: y

[16:13:23] suriNotes: I'll be answering your questions in the end since it may be reading/answering

[16:13:24] theman: y

[16:13:26] angelaktariel: yes

[16:13:28] innovation: y

[16:13:33] simtrader: y

[16:13:39] Chriseberly: yes

[16:13:51] suriNotes: Before I move further, pl. read the disclaimer

[16:13:54] mdhanafi68: yes.

[16:13:57] suriNotes: slide [2]

[16:14:09] angelaktariel: y

[16:14:16] Tasuki: y

[16:14:17] theman: u

[16:14:19] theman: y

[16:14:22] suriNotes: Slide[3]

[16:14:27] suriNotes: Agenda

[16:14:47] suriNotes: Briefly, I'll introduce myself, My Trading Methodolgy, research

[16:15:04] suriNotes: Then I present Overview of Entries/Exits in Pattern trading

[16:15:12] suriNotes: I'll list TOp 10 Patterns

[16:15:26] suriNotes: And then I present two of the TOP 10 patterns

[16:15:39] suriNotes: I will conclude my presnetaiton with Book Review

[16:15:44] suriNotes: my book review

[16:15:58] suriNotes: Slide[5]

[16:16:19] suriNotes: I am sure most of you know.. I am a Chart Pattern Based trader..

[16:16:28] suriNotes: Have been trading for about 13+ years Full time

[16:16:46] suriNotes: Slide [6]

[16:16:57] suriNotes: I have listed all presentations/articles etc

[16:17:07] suriNotes: I'll skip this slide but

[16:17:22] suriNotes: pl. take a note of my interview in S&C (sept. 08)

[16:17:32] suriNotes: it does cover two of the patterns I am going to discuss today

[16:17:44] suriNotes: Slide[7]

[16:17:48] suriNotes: Slide[8]

[16:18:09] suriNotes: I trade EminiFutures, @ES, @YM, @NQ...

[16:18:17] suriNotes: I am a short-term trader in Eminis

[16:18:32] suriNotes: I use 610Tick, 5m and Daily charts to identify my patterns

[16:18:33] suriNotes: and trade

[16:18:39] suriNotes: I also Trade Equities

[16:18:52] suriNotes: Mostly Swing Trading.. Overnight positions to few days

[16:19:06] suriNotes: Slide[9]

[16:19:19] suriNotes: My trading is discretionary

[16:19:28] suriNotes: I have strategys in TS

[16:19:47] suriNotes: But all of it is based on Technical Analysis

[16:20:02] suriNotes: I use Bar Charts, Renko/Range Bars

[16:20:12] suriNotes: Purely Price-Action/Patterns

[16:20:41] suriNotes: Also all of my theories are self-buit, tested

[16:21:00] suriNotes: Slide[10]

[16:21:27] suriNotes: I spend about 12 hrs daily building trading plans, writing journals and Trading

[16:21:41] suriNotes: I also post all my trade setups, ideas to my website

[16:21:53] suriNotes: my trading platform: TradeStation

[16:22:01] suriNotes: Slide[11]

[16:22:20] suriNotes: Here is how my Trading Day looks

[16:22:33] suriNotes: just briefly...

[16:22:41] suriNotes: I do not trade Equities Intraday

[16:22:53] suriNotes: I only trade Futures from 9-3pm

[16:23:05] suriNotes: I stop trading 3pm ET Futures...

[16:23:22] suriNotes: then I start looking at equities for potential Setups/Trades

[16:23:30] suriNotes: to keep Overnight to few days

[16:24:08] suriNotes: Also, after 3pm.. I never trade Eminis

[16:24:27] suriNotes: Historically my biggest losses came after 3pm in Emins.. hence I avoid

[16:24:38] suriNotes: Most losses also came after 3pm in SHORTS

[16:25:06] suriNotes: IN equities, I take New Positions from 3pm..

[16:25:18] suriNotes: Recently I avoided most days

[16:25:26] suriNotes: equities

[16:25:39] suriNotes: Slide[12][13]

[16:25:52] Soultrader: http://www.traderslaboratory.com/webinars/suriDuddella_TL_Oct2408.pdf

[16:25:54] suriNotes: Overview of Entries/Exits...

[16:26:01] suriNotes: Thanks James

[16:26:33] suriNotes: I think every trade should have these 4 Key concepts..

[16:27:00] suriNotes: Before any trade is taken, you must know your Framework

[16:27:22] suriNotes: Frmae Work consists of your Time-Frame, Your Trading Time Zones

[16:27:48] suriNotes: For example.. My Best Trading is in the first few hours from the open

[16:27:56] suriNotes: my worst trading is hte Last hour

[16:28:28] suriNotes: Once you know your trading time zone.. You should stick to it

[16:28:42] suriNotes: @ REASON to TRADE

[16:28:49] suriNotes: You must have a reason to trade..

[16:28:57] Tasuki: why is last hour worst?

[16:28:58] suriNotes: A Setup, Pattern or Indication

[16:29:31] suriNotes: Many traders trade because of some momentum or Hunch, News or Random twitch of hand smile.png

[16:29:48] suriNotes: Boredom is NOT a reason to trade

[16:30:02] suriNotes: Trading tests everyone's patience

[16:30:11] suriNotes: @Execution

[16:30:34] suriNotes: you must plan your trade well

[16:30:52] suriNotes: Trade entries based some trigger conditions and exits based on targets/stops

[16:31:14] suriNotes: Know your platform and nuances very well..

[16:31:20] suriNotes: must have a backup plan

[16:31:29] suriNotes: @@ Management

[16:31:48] suriNotes: Know your Limits with your SIZE, STOPs, Targets

[16:32:12] suriNotes: it is a much larger topic and varies for everyone

[16:32:45] suriNotes: Slide[14] .. skipped

[16:32:58] suriNotes: Slide[15].. A Planned Entry Leads to A Planned Exit

[16:33:11] suriNotes: Slide[16]..

[16:33:23] suriNotes: Here I am going to present some of key Entries/Exits I use

[16:33:36] suriNotes: And then I will present each in detail

[16:33:56] suriNotes: Slide[17]

[16:34:14] suriNotes: Most of patterns present great entry techniques

[16:34:24] suriNotes: Here I present how I use a 2-Bar High

[16:34:26] suriNotes: as Entry

[16:34:38] suriNotes: See the pattern on left

[16:35:04] suriNotes: once hte pattern is complete, I look to enter few ticks above 2-Bar High

[16:35:15] suriNotes: I'll explain [few-ticks] soon

[16:35:27] suriNotes: Also on the right

[16:35:46] suriNotes: a 2-Bar Low - fewTicks for bearish pattern

[16:36:00] suriNotes: Slide[18]

[16:36:21] suriNotes: Swing High/Swing Lows as the entry techique

[16:36:31] suriNotes: again I use [few-ticks] above SH/SL

[16:36:43] suriNotes: Slide[19]

[16:37:08] suriNotes: Entry is based on Breakout/BD bar's High/Low

[16:37:17] suriNotes: See the Green Bar .. Breakout bar

[16:37:28] suriNotes: Most traders try to enter on this bar

[16:37:41] suriNotes: this bar could be a *Fake Bar*

[16:37:52] mong: does that keep you out of false breakouts?

[16:37:58] suriNotes: so, wait for price to trade above the B/O bar + [few-ticks]

[16:38:07] suriNotes: yes. mong

[16:38:17] suriNotes: Slide[20]

[16:38:30] suriNotes: Entry.. Certain patterns require

[16:38:36] mong: nice example. tx.

[16:38:39] suriNotes: confirmation that the pattern is Complete

[16:38:56] suriNotes: for example.. Here the X5 or Gartley type patterns

[16:39:11] suriNotes: Confirmation comes when price start displaying Wide-range bars

[16:39:28] suriNotes: When price trades WR bar High or Low

[16:39:39] suriNotes: that would be entry

[16:39:55] suriNotes: Slide [21]

[16:40:14] suriNotes: the concept of [few-ticks]

[16:40:33] suriNotes: it is popularized by Toby Crabel in his book

[16:40:54] suriNotes: I compute a 10 period RangeBreakout value

[16:41:09] suriNotes: the Minimum distance of Open to High and Open to Low

[16:41:19] suriNotes: 10 period average of it

[16:41:35] mong: nice.

[16:41:37] suriNotes: usually for Emini Futures it is 1-2 ticks

[16:41:46] suriNotes: so, I use High + ORB to enter to trade

[16:41:50] suriNotes: or Low - ORB

[16:41:55] suriNotes: it is a simple math

[16:42:09] suriNotes: Slide [22]

[16:42:12] suriNotes: Exits

[16:42:21] suriNotes: Exits also MUST be planned

[16:42:40] suriNotes: Usually you have plenty of time before [ENTRY]

[16:42:53] suriNotes: once you are in a trade.. You have less time to plan [EXIT]

[16:43:04] suriNotes: hence, both needs to be planned ahead of the trade

[16:43:11] suriNotes: easy to say than done smile.png

[16:43:30] suriNotes: But use Fib. Levels, ATR levels, Bar Sizes to exits

[16:43:39] suriNotes: Slide [23]

[16:43:48] suriNotes: Key supp , levels...

[16:43:54] bakrob99: do you consider the Risk-Reward before taking the trade?

[16:43:55] suriNotes: I use 21, 89 XMAs

[16:44:02] suriNotes: not in scalps

[16:44:08] suriNotes: for Equities yes

[16:44:20] suriNotes: Also use SH/SL, TrendLines

[16:44:25] suriNotes: For Eminsi

[16:44:35] bakrob99: do you base your stop then on ... say an ATR?

[16:44:38] suriNotes: Pre. Day High/Lows, GBX Lows/Highs

[16:44:50] suriNotes: do act as S/R

[16:45:06] suriNotes: bak.. some setups have ATR based..

[16:45:25] suriNotes: Slide [24]

[16:45:25] bakrob99: k .. thks

[16:45:30] suriNotes: I use Fib. Numbers

[16:45:38] suriNotes: Fib Levels

[16:46:00] suriNotes: more in the pres.

[16:46:09] suriNotes: Slide [26]

[16:46:21] suriNotes: has a small video on Tools I built

[16:46:35] suriNotes: we can see after presentation

[16:46:49] suriNotes: Slide [27][28]

[16:46:58] suriNotes: Here is a List of Top10 Favorite patterns

[16:47:13] suriNotes: My book covers 65 patterns with detailed Entry/Exits and Stops/Targets

[16:47:22] suriNotes: I'll give a brief overview at the end

[16:47:30] suriNotes: Slide [28]

[16:47:35] suriNotes: Pattern Trading

[16:47:58] suriNotes: atterns MUST be Mastered before TRADED. If you do not know the RULES of a PATTERN formation (Location, Type, Size) and ENTRY/STOPS and TARGETS, you have NOT mastered it and do not attempt to trade it just because you have seen somewhere...

[16:48:10] suriNotes: P

[16:48:28] suriNotes: Pattern TRADING =============== ** There are NO Perfect Patterns ** All Patterns FAIL, Key is to KNOW when to trade them and when to 'Avoid' them ** There is NO single pattern which is a HOLY GRAIL ** Patterns must be CLEARLY visible... DO NOT GUESS or FORCE a Pattern

[16:49:05] suriNotes: Slide [29]

[16:49:16] suriNotes: My favorite Top 10 Patterns

[16:49:27] suriNotes: 1. ABC 2. Trader Vic's 2B 3. Gartleys (all 5 point Harmonic Patterns) 4. Pivot Trading (OpenRange and FibZone Pivots are my favs) 5. Fib. Bands 6. Flags/Pennants/Wedges 7. Triangles 8. Fib Clusters (Only Trends) 9. Double Bottoms/Tops 10. Dragon

[16:49:49] suriNotes: I'll present TOP 2 patterns now

[16:49:59] suriNotes: Slide [30]

[16:50:07] suriNotes: Slide [31]

[16:50:23] suriNotes: Trader Vic's 2B

[16:50:38] suriNotes: This pattern is one of most favorite pattern

[16:50:54] OAC: Walter's

[16:50:58] OAC: m, W

[16:51:10] suriNotes: It is presented in Trader Vic's (Vicotor Sperandeo)

[16:51:13] suriNotes: 's Book

[16:51:24] suriNotes: Principles of Professional Speculation

[16:51:36] suriNotes: Yes, it is a Double Top/Double bottom

[16:51:43] suriNotes: Irregular

[16:51:51] suriNotes: But most DT/DBs are irregular..

[16:51:58] suriNotes: very rarely Bottoms/Tops match

[16:52:11] suriNotes: Slide [33]

[16:52:22] suriNotes: 2B Top

[16:52:39] suriNotes: On left you see a steep uptrend a make a New High

[16:52:54] suriNotes: followed by some retracement [needs 6-8 bars]

[16:53:04] suriNotes: then an attempt to breakout of the new high

[16:53:19] suriNotes: Mark the Bar Which tries to breakout

[16:53:26] suriNotes: Mark the Low of the Bar

[16:53:29] quintadocedro1: 5 min or 610 tick chart

[16:53:40] suriNotes: any tf

[16:53:53] suriNotes: when there is NO follow thro'

[16:54:08] suriNotes: and price reverses and close below the Marked Low

[16:54:16] suriNotes: That is the SHORT trigger

[16:54:30] suriNotes: Short LOW - [ORB] explained before

[16:54:34] suriNotes: [few-ticks] concept

[16:54:56] suriNotes: Place a Stop abvoe the SH + [few-ticks]

[16:55:09] suriNotes: Target the the Swing Low prior to New-High

[16:55:10] jbtrades: new high RTH or GBX?

[16:55:34] suriNotes: I don't trade GBX .. but RTH

[16:55:51] suriNotes: Slide [34]

[16:55:52] bakrob99: do you have automated strategies to trade these patterns?

[16:55:59] suriNotes: See the example

[16:56:02] suriNotes: yes

[16:56:19] suriNotes: 1. ) NH

[16:56:29] suriNotes: 2 Bar trying to breakout

[16:56:34] suriNotes: no follow thro

[16:56:49] suriNotes: 3. Bar Closed below the 2's Low

[16:56:54] suriNotes: Short trigger

[16:57:05] suriNotes: Place a Stop abvoe 2+ few-ticks

[16:57:26] suriNotes: Slide[35]

[16:57:32] bakrob99: you are my hero ...

[16:57:39] suriNotes: 2B Auto

[16:57:43] suriNotes: :

[16:57:45] suriNotes: smile.png

[16:58:38] suriNotes: word of caution on 2BS

[16:58:44] suriNotes: 2Bs

[16:58:50] suriNotes: In short-time frames

[16:58:57] suriNotes: you will see plenty of 2B Tops/Bottoms

[16:59:19] suriNotes: You need to make sure the First New High is really a longer-term NH

[16:59:24] suriNotes: or NL

[16:59:46] suriNotes: They work very well in defined trends.. where it really establishes NH/NLs

[16:59:57] suriNotes: Slide [36]

[17:00:10] suriNotes: Current @ES in trouble

[17:00:14] suriNotes: 2B Top Signal

[17:00:28] Soultrader: http://www.traderslaboratory.com/webinars/suriDuddella_TL_Oct2408.pdf

[17:00:37] suriNotes: Slide [37]

[17:00:42] suriNotes: 2B Bottom

[17:00:51] suriNotes: It is reverse of the logic of 2B Top

[17:01:11] suriNotes:

Market needs to be in Steep sell off or down-trend

[17:01:16] suriNotes: New Low

[17:01:25] suriNotes: Folloowed by retracement..

[17:01:39] suriNotes: then an attempt to close below the new-low

[17:01:46] suriNotes: no follow-through

[17:02:13] suriNotes: Mark the High of the B/D Bar

[17:02:24] OAC: Do you look at Dinapoli's Repo ?

[17:02:29] suriNotes: When prices retrace and close above the high of B/D bar

[17:02:35] suriNotes: OAC.. no

[17:03:01] suriNotes: Enter Long above BD High + [Few-ticks]

[17:03:12] BlowFish: Hi, just came to apologise for not making it earlier... ac ouple of things came up that needed attention

[17:03:17] suriNotes: stop below the low of Swing Low - [fewticks]

[17:03:21] suriNotes: ok

[17:03:43] suriNotes: Target the Swing High prior to First New LOw

[17:03:52] suriNotes: Slide [38]

[17:03:57] Soultrader: http://www.traderslaboratory.com/webinars/suriDuddella_TL_Oct2408.pdf

[17:03:57] suriNotes: Examples

[17:04:08] suriNotes: Market in down-trend

[17:04:13] suriNotes: 1. New Low

[17:04:26] suriNotes: 2. Attempted New Low after retracement

[17:04:41] suriNotes: 3. Price Closed above Bar2's High

[17:04:56] suriNotes: Slide [39]

[17:05:14] suriNotes: Slide [40]

[17:05:35] suriNotes: Slide[41-42]

[17:05:51] suriNotes: These videos are posted on Youtube..

[17:05:56] suriNotes: search for surinotes

[17:06:10] suriNotes: Slide [43]

[17:06:13] suriNotes: ABC Patterns

[17:06:27] suriNotes: This is my favorite pattern

[17:06:47] suriNotes: any market, any time-frame, the chart is always in a ABC pattern

[17:06:55] suriNotes: either bullish or bearish ABCs

[17:07:10] suriNotes: Markets always Trend, Reverse and Continue its Trend

[17:07:13] scottybythelake: http://www.youtube.com/user/surinotes'>http://www.youtube.com/user/surinotes

[17:07:19] suriNotes: Slide[44]

[17:07:29] bakrob99: Do you always use LIMIT orders .. or do you sometimes enter with a market if the pattern completes and you are not aboard...

[17:07:33] suriNotes: ABC Patterns.. First written in HM Gartleys

[17:07:44] suriNotes: Always Limit Orders Only

[17:08:04] suriNotes: It is also called 3-Pivot pattern looks like Lightening Bolt

[17:08:19] suriNotes: I only trade in the Direction of the TREND in ABC

[17:08:27] suriNotes: Not the Retracement

[17:08:37] suriNotes: Slide [45]

[17:08:45] suriNotes: Type of AB=CD structures

[17:09:03] suriNotes: there are two types.. ABCs are either Retracement or Extensions

[17:09:25] suriNotes: Look at 'C' point to determine if it is Retr. or Extension

[17:09:42] suriNotes: Slide [46]

[17:09:47] suriNotes: ABC Bullish example

[17:09:56] myrtleturtle: how do you know when "C" is in place?

[17:09:59] suriNotes: All these patterns are AUTO-detected in Real-Time and EOD

[17:10:00] suriNotes: in TS

[17:10:17] suriNotes: ABC Bullish

[17:10:26] suriNotes: Now my ABCs have Entry, Stops

[17:10:30] suriNotes: not part of this chart

[17:10:43] suriNotes: Once ABC is complete..

[17:10:54] suriNotes: Look for one of the Entry Technique presented before

[17:11:01] suriNotes: 2-Bar High + [few-ticks]

[17:11:09] suriNotes: Place a Stop below [c]

[17:11:15] suriNotes: [c] - few-ticks

[17:11:27] suriNotes: Targets are also auto placed

[17:11:42] suriNotes: I trade mostly until 100% of AB size

[17:11:53] suriNotes: Slide [47]

[17:12:00] suriNotes: Another example

[17:12:15] suriNotes: On My website I post all my ABC Trades in Real-Time

[17:12:21] suriNotes: you can see my Archives

[17:12:28] suriNotes: http://www.surinotes.com/'>http://www.surinotes.com/'>http://www.surinotes.com/

[17:12:44] suriNotes: Slide [48]

[17:12:47] suriNotes: ABC Bearish

[17:13:03] suriNotes: Same Entry Technique.. 2-Bar Low - [few-ticks]

[17:13:23] suriNotes: Slide[49] Another ABC

[17:13:33] suriNotes: Slide [50]

[17:13:44] suriNotes: Here is one of my favorite ABC type to trade

[17:14:08] suriNotes: I plot a Fib. Grid .. Consists of FIb. Zone Pivots, Bands

[17:14:37] suriNotes: This is the example I talked about in My interview in Stocks and Commodities (Sep. 08) issue

[17:14:53] suriNotes: This type of example

[17:15:00] suriNotes: James..

[17:15:02] suriNotes: ?

[17:15:09] suriNotes: I see a latency notice?

[17:15:26] suriNotes: can u guys see me??

[17:15:33] Head2k: y

[17:15:33] BlowFish: yes

[17:15:35] angelaktariel: y

[17:15:37] scottybythelake: y

[17:15:37] xracer: yes

[17:15:37] stanlyd: y

[17:15:37] Soultrader: y

[17:15:39] simb11: y

[17:15:42] quintadocedro1: y

[17:15:45] mdhanafi68: yes.

[17:15:51] simtrader: y

[17:15:51] suriNotes: thx.. i thought i am talking to my self smile.png

[17:15:54] myrtleturtle: y

[17:16:01] suriNotes: Slide [51]

[17:16:10] suriNotes: ABC Scans in RS (on Youtube)

[17:16:22] suriNotes: Slide [52]

[17:16:33] suriNotes: videos on Youtube.. under my id: suriNotes

[17:16:48] scottybythelake: http://www.youtube.com/user/surinotes

[17:16:49] suriNotes: Slide [53-54]

[17:17:08] suriNotes: Here I present my Book "Trade Chart Patterns Like The Pros"

[17:17:13] suriNotes: Thanks scotty

[17:17:27] suriNotes: Book video on Youtube

[17:17:40] suriNotes: Slide [56]

[17:17:56] suriNotes: Book took over 4+ years to write/compile

[17:18:04] suriNotes: It is written for Traders

[17:18:15] simb11: Suri, do you sell your TS indicators?

[17:18:17] suriNotes: Purely frm Practical perspective

[17:18:22] Soultrader: great book by the way i highly recommend it

[17:18:22] suriNotes: some simb

[17:18:43] simb11: How do we get in touch?

[17:18:50] suriNotes: It presents 65 patterns on 300 pages of 250+ large illustrated charts

[17:18:55] suriNotes: http://www.surinotes.com/

[17:19:00] simb11: thks

[17:19:15] suriNotes: Each pattern is presented with Entry/Exit and CLear Examples of Stops/Targets etc

[17:19:30] suriNotes: No Oscillators or other indicators presented.. Just Patterns and How to trade them

[17:19:30] lylo: how do you tell the difference between an ABC, which may actually be a 2B pattern?

[17:19:50] suriNotes: lylo.. give me a min

[17:19:59] lylo: sure

[17:20:00] suriNotes: Slide [57]

[17:20:10] suriNotes: Here I present the various patterns in various groups

[17:20:23] suriNotes: Slide [58]

[17:20:46] suriNotes: Pick few patterns of your interest and Study them

[17:20:48] myrtleturtle: can you give any stats regarding average risk:reward per pattern, and how often patterns appear?

[17:21:02] suriNotes: Master these patterns with your own setups, time-frames

[17:21:23] myrtleturtle: it seems they are generally 1:1 or 1:1.5 or so. is that fair?

[17:21:28] suriNotes: Slide [59]

[17:21:39] suriNotes: For TL Members.. I have a Discount offer

[17:21:45] suriNotes: $10 off the current price

[17:21:56] suriNotes: http://www.surinotes.com/TL/

[17:22:12] suriNotes: Slide [60]

[17:22:25] suriNotes: My email and my website: http://www.surinotes.com

[17:22:39] suriNotes: Thanks all .. I'll answer some of your questions

[17:22:48] suriNotes: Lylo:

[17:23:07] suriNotes: They probably look the same..But 2B is identified by a SIngle bar

[17:23:09] lylo: yes

[17:23:25] suriNotes: where as ABCs are group of bar and requires retracements, pivot strengths to compute

[17:23:43] suriNotes: also ABCs are Continuation trade-setup

[17:23:49] suriNotes: where as 2B is a Reversal

[17:23:54] suriNotes: setup

[17:23:59] lylo: which is why I asked

[17:24:00] suriNotes: myrtle..

[17:24:06] suriNotes: I have some patterns Stats..

[17:24:20] mong: i'm heading off. ty suri and soul. GTA!

[17:24:21] suriNotes: they vary in diff. time-frames

[17:24:40] bakrob99: I have just ordered the book ... Thanks You Suri !

[17:24:43] BlowFish: pre-empted my question (pattern stats) smile.png

[17:24:54] xracer: ty

[17:24:59] suriNotes: thnx bakrob

[17:25:17] lylo: if you think you are in an ABC pattern, couldn't you enter, then find out it is reversing shortly after, and is really a double top?

[17:25:22] scottybythelake: which pattern in which time-frame has the best stats?

[17:25:31] BlowFish: have you found that your stats have improved with experience and 'filtering' the patterns? By a lot or not?

[17:25:50] bakrob99: James - Will the history of this chat be available on the website?

[17:26:06] Soultrader: yes of course

[17:26:15] Soultrader: the transcript will be up right after this session

[17:26:34] suriNotes: scotty.. The best pattern for me is 2B in 610T

[17:26:39] suriNotes: also ABCs, Gartley etc

[17:27:05] suriNotes: Blow.. I think I use Patterns with a Context

[17:27:09] suriNotes: Fib. Grid..

[17:27:49] suriNotes: So, ABCs appear many .. but I take certain ABCs using criteria

[17:28:02] suriNotes: same as 2Bs

[17:28:18] suriNotes: The Context is Fib. Grid.. It is the size, location of the pattern and time-frame etc

[17:28:25] lylo: and the criteria and stats are in your book?

[17:28:53] suriNotes: All the criteria.. No stats in the book

[17:29:02] suriNotes: Entry, Exits

[17:29:10] suriNotes: Stops and Targets for each pattern

[17:29:36] suriNotes: Stats should be useful to the reader..

[17:29:36] lylo: how do I weight the probability of success (without testing it myself;- )

[17:29:48] OAC: Do you trade pttern failures ?

[17:30:07] suriNotes: you have to make these patterns your -own lylo

[17:30:10] suriNotes: yes OAC

[17:30:21] BlowFish: do you have a limit (ticks or number of bars) that a 2b has before returning above/below previous swing?

[17:30:28] suriNotes: some Pattern failures have higher success than the pattern itself smile.png

[17:30:31] myrtleturtle: I suppose, with ABC, the entry is within the AB pattern, and target is AB, then risk:reward is just over 1:1

[17:30:36] BlowFish: before its 'invalidated'

[17:30:43] myrtleturtle: \length ofAB

[17:30:43] suriNotes: Number of Bars.. It is a variable

[17:30:44] suriNotes: yes

[17:31:02] suriNotes: yes myrl?

[17:31:32] OAC: I trade Woodie's CCI pattern failures

[17:31:51] suriNotes: I bet he won't like it.. if you tell him smile.png

[17:32:15] suriNotes: i don't CCI or any Momentum indicators..

[17:33:13] suriNotes: any other qs?

[17:33:18] angelaktariel: how important is volume with any of these patterns?

[17:33:23] TraderDog: Do you ever use tick/trin... market internals to filter trades?

[17:33:40] suriNotes: i think Volume is important.. But i don't use ..

[17:33:48] myrtleturtle: do you use volume in any context as filters?

[17:34:01] angelaktariel: thanks

[17:34:03] suriNotes: myrl.. No

[17:34:10] suriNotes: TraderDog

[17:34:19] suriNotes: yes.. I use TICK/TRIN in Market internal

[17:34:24] Soultrader: angel.. good question im actually considering incorporating volume into some of Suris patterns

[17:34:33] suriNotes: I recently built a Combined Market Internal (CMI) indicator

[17:34:35] Soultrader: as i am big on volume

[17:34:38] suriNotes: which works great

[17:34:43] angelaktariel: cool James, would love to hear more on that

[17:35:08] suriNotes: CMI from yest

[17:35:10] suriNotes: http://www.surinotes.com/index.cfm?pDate=20081023&CSEL=1001

[17:35:13] TraderDog: Do you include uvol/dvol, premium (futures-cash)?

[17:35:19] suriNotes: along with my intraday posts

[17:35:22] suriNotes: yes

[17:35:24] suriNotes: TD

[17:35:41] TraderDog: Thanks.

[17:36:39] Soultrader: suri i have a question

[17:36:52] Soultrader: how disadvantage is one who does not have programming skills

[17:37:00] suriNotes: sure

[17:37:15] suriNotes: some patterns require you to know to identify

[17:37:20] suriNotes: some are very simple

[17:37:24] suriNotes: for example

[17:37:40] suriNotes: Triangles, Rectangles, 2B, some price-reversal pattenrs

[17:37:43] suriNotes: you do not need

[17:38:09] suriNotes: but for Gartleys, Auto ABCs or some complex bar-relationships

[17:38:18] suriNotes: you do need to identify them in RT

[17:38:20] suriNotes: or EOD

[17:38:54] Soultrader: okay

[17:39:00] suriNotes: did I answer you Q, james?

[17:39:06] Soultrader: yes thank you

[17:39:20] suriNotes: any other Qs?

[17:39:51] angelaktariel: Thank you Suri, this was great!

[17:40:03] TraderDog: Are your pattern recognition algorithms hand coded or do you use neural nets, parsers, ... or other techniques?

[17:40:04] Soultrader: yes thank you very much Suri

[17:40:05] stanlyd: thanks

[17:40:05] suriNotes: Thanks Anglela

[17:40:08] scottybythelake: thx : )

[17:40:19] xracer: thanks

[17:40:20] suriNotes: No Neural nets..

[17:40:33] mdhanafi68: just wonder, if in future need to ask.. how?

[17:40:37] TraderDog: Hand coded bar patterns?? in E/L?

[17:40:48] suriNotes: yes

[17:40:54] Soultrader: guys im going to open a thread to discuss this session

[17:40:58] Soultrader: will post a link shortly

[17:41:07] suriNotes: md... surinotes@gmail.com

[17:41:12] TraderDog: Thx... looking at using parsers...

[17:41:30] suriNotes: ok

[17:41:52] mdhanafi68: thanks suri, and soul i'm looking forward for the thread too.

[17:41:55] Soultrader: everyone good?

[17:42:04] myrtleturtle: thanks suri and Soul for taking the time for this. excellent stuff. have a good weekend.

[17:42:04] angelaktariel: me too James...thanks

[17:42:08] xracer: y

[17:42:25] Head2k: Thabk you very much for this session.

[17:42:33] suriNotes: Thanks Guys.. I enjoyed presenting too

[17:42:34] Soultrader: i thank you all for attending and many thanks to Suri for hosting this session

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Sign in to follow this  

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Be careful who you blame.   I can tell you one thing for sure.   Effective traders don’t blame others when things start to go wrong.   You can hang onto your tendency to play the victim, or the martyr… but if you want to achieve in trading, you have to be prepared to take responsibility.   People assign reasons to outcomes, whether based on internal or external factors.   When traders face losses, it's common for them to blame bad luck, poor advice, or other external factors, rather than reflecting on their own personal attributes like arrogance, fear, or greed.   This is a challenging lesson to grasp in your trading journey, but one that holds immense value.   This is called attribution theory. Taking responsibility for your actions is the key to improving your trading skills. Pause and ask yourself - What role did I play in my financial decisions?   After all, you were the one who listened to that source, and decided to act on that trade based on the rumour. Attributing results solely to external circumstances is what is known as having an ‘external locus of control’.   It's a concept coined by psychologist Julian Rotter in 1954. A trader with an external locus of control might say, "I made a profit because the markets are currently favourable."   Instead, strive to develop an "internal locus of control" and take ownership of your actions.   Assume that all trading results are within your realm of responsibility and actively seek ways to improve your own behaviour.   This is the fastest route to enhancing your trading abilities. A trader with an internal locus of control might proudly state, "My equity curve is rising because I am a disciplined trader who faithfully follows my trading plan." Author: Louise Bedford Source: https://www.tradinggame.com.au/
    • SELF IMPROVEMENT.   The whole self-help industry began when Dale Carnegie published How to Win Friends and Influence People in 1936. Then came other classics like Think And Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill, Awaken the Giant Within by Tony Robbins toward the end of the century.   Today, teaching people how to improve themselves is a business. A pure ruthless business where some people sell utter bullshit.   There are broke Instagrammers and YouTubers with literally no solid background teaching men how to be attractive to women, how to begin a start-up, how to become successful — most of these guys speaking nothing more than hollow motivational words and cliche stuff. They waste your time. Some of these people who present themselves as hugely successful also give talks and write books.   There are so many books on financial advice, self-improvement, love, etc and some people actually try to read them. They are a waste of time, mostly.   When you start reading a dozen books on finance you realize that they all say the same stuff.   You are not going to live forever in the learning phase. Don't procrastinate by reading bull-shit or the same good knowledge in 10 books. What we ought to do is choose wisely.   Yes. A good book can change your life, given you do what it asks you to do.   All the books I have named up to now are worthy of reading. Tim Ferriss, Simon Sinek, Robert Greene — these guys are worthy of reading. These guys teach what others don't. Their books are unique and actually, come from relevant and successful people.   When Richard Branson writes a book about entrepreneurship, go read it. Every line in that book is said by one of the greatest entrepreneurs of our time.   When a Chinese millionaire( he claims to be) Youtuber who releases a video titled “Why reading books keeps you broke” and a year later another one “My recommendation of books for grand success” you should be wise to tell him to jump from Victoria Falls.   These self-improvement gurus sell you delusions.   They say they have those little tricks that only they know that if you use, everything in your life will be perfect. Those little tricks. We are just “making of a to-do-list before sleeping” away from becoming the next Bill Gates.   There are no little tricks.   There is no success-mantra.   Self-improvement is a trap for 99% of the people. You can't do that unless you are very, very strong.   If you are looking for easy ways, you will only keep wasting your time forgetting that your time on this planet is limited, as alive humans that is.   Also, I feel that people who claim to read like a book a day or promote it are idiots. You retain nothing. When you do read a good book, you read slow, sometimes a whole paragraph, again and again, dwelling on it, trying to internalize its knowledge. You try to understand. You think. It takes time.   It's better to read a good book 10 times than 1000 stupid ones.   So be choosy. Read from the guys who actually know something, not some wannabe ‘influencers’.   Edit: Think And Grow Rich was written as a result of a project assigned to Napoleon Hill by Andrew Carnegie(the 2nd richest man in recent history). He was asked to study the most successful people on the planet and document which characteristics made them great. He did extensive work in studying hundreds of the most successful people of that time. The result was that little book.   Nowadays some people just study Instagram algorithms and think of themselves as a Dale Carnegie or Anthony Robbins. By Nupur Nishant, Quora Profits from free accurate cryptos signals: https://www.predictmag.com/    
    • there is no avoiding loses to be honest, its just how the market is. you win some and hopefully more, but u do lose some. 
    • $CSCO Cisco Systems stock, nice top of range breakout, from Stocks to Watch at https://stockconsultant.com/?CSCOSEPN Septerna stock watch for a bottom breakout, good upside price gap
    • $CSCO Cisco Systems stock, nice top of range breakout, from Stocks to Watch at https://stockconsultant.com/?CSCOSEPN Septerna stock watch for a bottom breakout, good upside price gap
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use.