Welcome to the Traders Laboratory Forums.
Options Trading Laboratory Options traders discuss all your long and short term options trading here

Reply
Old 08-29-2011, 08:08 AM   #1

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: southpole
Posts: 304
Ignore this user

Thanks: 32
Thanked 108 Times in 76 Posts

Option on Futs SPAN Margin

Hi,

I'm getting into options on futures a bit more - mostly as a longer term positions.

Does anyone know of a platform that lets you know the margin requirements of different strategies/structures, or failing that, a quick, dirty method or 'rule of thumb' of calculating approx margin requirements?

My platform just lets me execute and give p&l and I'm getting fed up with asking my broker with every idea I get....

Thanks
TheDude is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 08-31-2011, 10:57 AM   #2

Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: chicago
Posts: 5
Ignore this user

Thanks: 9
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

Re: Option on Futs SPAN Margin

Are you utilizing an option pricing model? Obviously the model employed should be aprropriate to the underlying instrument you are trading. If you go the commercial platform route, it should give choice of models for each instrument, and at this point most platforms have a quick and dirty algorithm to replicate span (standard portfolio analysis) arrays the CME uses for calculating option margins on cme products.

If you are trading CME options products you can get the exchanges span application here:
CME Clearing House

Back of the envelope/quick and dirty approximations are rough as the cme still uses securities style margining (thus lov & sov) - it gives them more of your money to hold in the clearing house. Liffe pioneered the way by taking Ed Gogol's original span model and changing it to futures style margining for futures options, a much fairer approach, but not as profitable if high customer margin balances on which to earn interest are a consideration, sic.

I hope this helps.
billm is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 09-01-2011, 02:10 AM   #3

Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 1
Ignore this user

Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

Thumbs up Re: Option on Futs SPAN Margin

I have used the PC-SPAN application and it is not intuitive or transparent at all--the coolest thing about it is the way you drop the .spn file.

The company I work for has a SPAN interface and GUI displaying requirements and if you want to get into the details a break down of your priority spreads/inter/intra charges. It's pretty inexpensive--open to showing to any interested folks.

nnolan@advent.com
NickNYCNolan is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2011, 03:28 AM   #4

Join Date: May 2009
Location: Samara
Posts: 5
Ignore this user

Thanks: 1
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post

Re: Option on Futs SPAN Margin

I would highly recomment thinkorswim platform.
Download, create demo account, use it for free.
Margin in TOS is calculated via SPAN method so usually this is what you really get in real life.
Examples attched: margin for short naked put and short spread put varies 5 times.
Attached Thumbnails
Option on Futs SPAN Margin-m1.png   Option on Futs SPAN Margin-m2.png  
Dael is offline  
Reply With Quote

Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes Help Others By Rating This Thread
Help Others By Rating This Thread:


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Questions About Margin Accounts. umfan92 Beginners Forum 5 08-23-2011 09:26 PM
Margin EMini (ES) Ants88 General Discussion 8 12-20-2008 12:39 PM
Ron Paul on Iran & Energy (C-SPAN 6/26) brownsfan019 Market Analysis 3 07-15-2008 11:29 PM
New CME Margin Requirements thetradingdoctor Trading Psychology 6 08-18-2007 01:30 PM
Top In Place??? Dow Futs Analysis Soultrader Market Analysis 0 11-06-2006 07:50 AM

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:53 PM.
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
CS to VB integration by DeskLancer
©2006-2011 Traders Laboratory, All Rights Reserved.