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[Romulan]

I have just started investigating VSA and have started with this thread (per a suggestion I saw on another thread). I have started out by downloading VSA Summary I and the Master the Markets. I have printed out Eiger's first few charts and his comments and I find these extremely helpfull.

However, I get lost on some of the "buzz words" that are used by Eiger/VSA. I see references to "hidden test", "hidden upthrust", etc. I have searched thru the PDF files that I downloaded and can find no reference there.

Is there a document here (or anywhere) that defines the jargon that VSA uses?

[crabbydog]

Originally Posted by Romulan »

I have just started investigating VSA and have started with this thread (per a suggestion I saw on another thread). I have started out by downloading VSA Summary I and the Master the Markets. I have printed out Eiger's first few charts and his comments and I find these extremely helpfull.

However, I get lost on some of the "buzz words" that are used by Eiger/VSA. I see references to "hidden test", "hidden upthrust", etc. I have searched thru the PDF files that I downloaded and can find no reference there.

Is there a document here (or anywhere) that defines the jargon that VSA uses?

I think hidden upthrust may be eiger's own jargon, or perhaps its from earlier wyckoff. I think i saw it defined here once and a search through the forums may help. Its not worth getting too hung up on such jargon nor to spend too much analysing every price bar. You are trying to gauge overall buying and selling pressure and look for setups in relation to that.

[DbPhoenix]

Originally Posted by crabbydog »

I think hidden upthrust may be eiger's own jargon, or perhaps its from earlier wyckoff. I think i saw it defined here once and a search through the forums may help. Its not worth getting too hung up on such jargon nor to spend too much analysing every price bar. You are trying to gauge overall buying and selling pressure and look for setups in relation to that.

There are no mentions of anything "hidden" in Wyckoff. Williams does, however, refer to, for example, "hidden buying" in Undeclared Secrets.

Since Master the Markets is essentially promotional literature for a software company and The Undeclared Secrets That Drive the Stock Market is Williams' original work, it might be better to rely on Undeclared Secrets so that everybody is on the same page.

[crabbydog]

Originally Posted by DbPhoenix »

There are no mentions of anything "hidden" in Wyckoff. Williams does, however, refer to, for example, "hidden buying" in Undeclared Secrets.

Since Master the Markets is essentially promotional literature for a software company and The Undeclared Secrets That Drive the Stock Market is Williams' original work, it might be better to rely on Undeclared Secrets so that everybody is on the same page.

I remember years ago that some people said that Undeclared secrets was just shilling for the software I think now however its very hard to get hold of Undeclared secrets, I lost my copy somewhere and its not in print now..

[BlowFish]

You can get it from here http://www.geniechartist.com/home/vsa.php I hope the link is acceptable, people link books on amazon and what not

[humdesggg]

Originally Posted by Romulan »

I have just started investigating VSA and have started with this thread (per a suggestion I saw on another thread). I have started out by downloading VSA Summary I and the Master the Markets. I have printed out Eiger's first few charts and his comments and I find these extremely helpfull.

However, I get lost on some of the "buzz words" that are used by Eiger/VSA. I see references to "hidden test", "hidden upthrust", etc. I have searched thru the PDF files that I downloaded and can find no reference there.

Is there a document here (or anywhere) that defines the jargon that VSA uses?

I think u made the right choice by starting with these thread, and u will find it exceptionally helpful in nailing down effort/result analysis embodied in VSA. When I came across VSA, I read TW's Undeclared Secrets 5 times. By the time I came here, I made a point of reading Eiger's posts, and without looking at his comments, I sat down to comment the setups he has identified on each chart. By making my own comments prior to reading his, I found that where I got variance in naming the setups, I could go back to the book and read up on stuff I had trouble deciphering. I dont see myself as an Expert, but I have pretty much a bigger understanding of the effort/resuls framework using this thread.

of course its a pity that myself, and other posters do not share our analysis that much. it always help to analyse some1 chart's and check the details. For me, I dont see divergence of analysis as me or the other party being wrong. It may show the depth of the hardwork and revision that one trader puts in versus the effort of other traders.

In terms of a wishlist for this thread, I basically wish a little mo profilic posting from all of us.

[DbPhoenix]

Originally Posted by crabbydog »

I remember years ago that some people said that Undeclared secrets was just shilling for the software I think now however its very hard to get hold of Undeclared secrets, I lost my copy somewhere and its not in print now..

Just google it. Complete title: The Undeclared Secrets That Drive the Stock Market