[raffa]

Hi All,

I was wondering if their was any traders who use Neuro Programmer or any other related brainwave tool. If so please share with me some of the aspects and techniques you use it for...

[zdo]

raffa,

I have used NeuroProgramer for years ( but am increasingly using MindWorkStation with WildDivine HRV feedback - see below) Great products, good price points. I believe there are already a couple threads up on TL about this – search and maybe the search functions will function

I should note that I personally do not use the app to “entrain”. To me, we’re already entrained enough. All my protocols have the expressed intent of training facile, choiceful shifts in BW frequency ie adaptability… (For similar work goog Shakti, but my stuff is differentiated from Persinger’s – with far less ‘profound’ scopes, more selective (ie less random) sequencing than his, and actually more inclusion of the negative / stressful / effortful elements… )

…and fwiw - To me, all the subliminal / suggestion / self-hynosis / affirmation stuff is total crap.... built on some really invalid assumptions about the pervasiveness of the whole brains' use of language... etc

Just like staying in physical shape, I typically do sessions 3 times a week – whether I need them or not.
(Speaking of staying in shape… imo most ppl’s trading would be enhanced more by using that same time getting and staying in just right physical shape than by going under the headphones)

Bottom line = I basically see consensus application of the technology as a temporary but possibly useful crutch. If you are going with the consensus uses of this technology, spots like
Traders using NP - Transparent Community Forum
may help.
In essence the key is knowing what you need and WHEN you need it… then developing and using protocols (/ crutches) that help. Actually doing the work towards high self awareness of your patterns and WHEN they happen is imo far, far more important than ‘running external agents’ into your head…

Transparent may still have free trials and money back guarantees so give it a trial. You'll quickly know whether you have the 'energy' to get into the program(s) and leverage them... it's not for everybody...

hth

[raffa]

Thanks for your assistance.

I'm basically trying to construct protocols to match the different aspects of my trading strategy so i can trade confidently and with clarity. I was planning to program my subconscious with Alpha and Theta to become accustomed to my system's structure and profit capabilities. Its like i don't believe that my system is profitable even though it shows consistent profit on back-tests as well as live trading, but once i start to get profitable i loose confidence (maybe its a self-image issue) Once those programs are embedded i was looking for a session that puts you in that "trader zone" as a pre-market warm up or a lunch break session. Do you know of any particular sessions which have put you in a " winning zone" like mental state?

[zdo]

What you just described seems to be a perfect fit for the consensus paradigm and “standard practices” for applying this technology. To rephrase / restate what I was getting at in first post – I can offer favorable reviews of the NP product itself but I don’t embrace the current paradigm nor the standard practices for this technology, so I can only refer you to the libraries on Transparent user (and other BWE) sites for downloadable templates to use as it or to build on. All the best at dialing something in and reaching your goals.

[robertbumbalough]

Originally Posted by zdo »

raffa,


…and fwiw - To me, all the subliminal / suggestion / self-hynosis / affirmation stuff is total crap.... built on some really invalid assumptions about the pervasiveness of the whole brains' use of language... etc


hth

Stroop effect shown nullified by hypnotic linguistic suggestions. Columbia News ::: Hypnosis Gaining Ground in Medicine

Some non-conscious parts of the brain can and do use language to communicate with the pre-frontal cortex as was seen by Stetter and Kupper in their meta study of Autogenic Training studies. SpringerLink - Applied Psychophysiology and Biofeedback, Volume 27, Number 1

Hypnotic suggestion works in some individuals who willfully want it to work. It does not work in people who willfully resist relaxing and focusing attention.

NP is a good product. BWE benefits most who use it even if the benefit can be attributed to placebo effects. (BTW, Placebo effects are strong evidence that non conscious parts of the brain do process verbal linguistic information.) While statistical studies of outcome anecdotal modalities do not meet Popper's falsification criteria, the fact still remains that each person is responsible to their own selves to earn their self esteem and respect. If BWE helps, then good for them.

[zdo]

Thanks for the feedback. My reactions…

re “Stroop effect shown nullified by hypnotic linguistic suggestions”
??
More accurate might be “Stroop effect shown nullified by ‘presence’ and interaction.”

re “Some non-conscious parts of the brain can and do use language”
That “Some” is still extremely miniscule in my view.

re “Placebo effects are strong evidence that non conscious parts of the brain do process verbal linguistic information” that’s a stretch… a big stretch…

re “willfully want it to work” Willfully wanting it to work is a factor but not major factor… transitions to the issue of ‘highly hypnotizable individuals’ / the ‘highly suggestible’ …which unfortunately transitions to this pivotal issue – the ‘highly suggestible’ are even less likely to retain changes produced from what I called all this ‘verbal crap’ than are the ‘lowly suggestible’. Specific to NP, to me this means, bignore the “subliminal / suggestion / self-hynosis / affirmation” features of the product… even if you were lucky enough to find the right agent voices for yourself, ultimately the returns from the additional ‘crap’ would still be relatively low

…here we go again… just because neuroscience is all new and au currant doesn’t make it ‘right’… I personally have some serious questions about basic assumptions of the whole field… and have accepted that I may not live long enough to see the fad fade…