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How Much Profit Does the Average Successful Trader Make?

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Only Profit doesn't tell the whole story of success.

Which would u prefer? profit percentage of 100% with drawdown of 30% or profit percentage of 50% with drawdown of 5%.

More return comes with more risk. It doesnt matter if he is a day trader or swing trader or scalper. Usually day traders target around 10% per month which I think is difficult (assuming that drawdown target is under 15%).

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A good trader in a bad year losses less than a bad trader in a bad year. A good trader in a good year makes more than a bad trader in a good year. A good trader has more good years than a bad trader.

 

30% of 5000 doesn't even cover property tax in some parts of the world.

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A good trader in a bad year losses less than a bad trader in a bad year. A good trader in a good year makes more than a bad trader in a good year. A good trader has more good years than a bad trader.

 

30% of 5000 doesn't even cover property tax in some parts of the world.

 

I'm getting much better and more profitable. When I make a mistake which I often do, I always learn from it and won't make it again. By the way I'm only 16.

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A good trader in a bad year losses less than a bad trader in a bad year. A good trader in a good year makes more than a bad trader in a good year. A good trader has more good years than a bad trader.

 

30% of 5000 doesn't even cover property tax in some parts of the world.

mm leave the kid alone...he is trying..may be doing better than you:rofl:

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I've only been trading for about 8 months and thus far I have made about 30% profit of my initial capital. So I was wondering how much a good day trader makes each year? 50%, 100%, etc.
look young feller you are doing good...probally better than these ole farts here...don't pay attention to MM he is an anti gun ..pro golf club liberal..apparently. that is, he will not shoot anyone as he has no gun to do so..but apparently (deduced from his posts on thread to arm or disarm) has no qualms about cracking a persons skull with a golf club. Edited by Patuca

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look young feller you are doing good...probally better than these ole farts here...don't pay attention to MM he is an anti gun ..pro golf club liberal..apparently. that is, he will not shoot anyone as he has no gun to do so..but apparently (deduced from his posts on thread to arm or disarm) has no qualms about cracking a persons skull with a golf club.

 

You are making threads collide. What happens in "Arm or Disarm stays in Arm or Disarm". You are screwing up the facts. I would shoot an intruder if I had a gun in my home. I do not play golf so I do not have golf clubs, but I do have composite baseball bats.

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I'm getting much better and more profitable. When I make a mistake which I often do, I always learn from it and won't make it again. By the way I'm only 16.

 

That's a great age to start. A mistake is not always a losing trade and a losing trading is not always a mistake. Learning is not making sure that you don't take the same loss as you did last trade. You won't learn anything. Really important to understand that.

 

Don't mind Patuca. He's one of those liberals who wants to see everyone with a gun. We'll see if he actually uses his guns when I knock his motorcycle over.

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mm leave the kid alone...he is trying..may be doing better than you:rofl:

 

Right, Patuca. I learned a while back that MM will try to bully you if you're struggling and reaching out to the forum for help and he will try to bully you if you are enjoying success and are reaching out to others to help them. There's alway a small percentage of these types in any group so just ignore him, Edgar

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Right, Patuca. I learned a while back that MM will try to bully you if you're struggling and reaching out to the forum for help and he will try to bully you if you are enjoying success and are reaching out to others to help them. There's alway a small percentage of these types in any group so just ignore him, Edgar

 

Well, gosh, Edgar, can you point out one single instance that I bullied someone enjoying success or reaching out to help? Just one.

 

You might mean that I ask questions of vendors that they can't answer and it messes up the sales pipeline. If that is what you mean, then I am probably guilty but it isn't intentional since if you could answer the question, it wouldn't mess up the pipeline.

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I've only been trading for about 8 months and thus far I have made about 30% profit of my initial capital. So I was wondering how much a good day trader makes each year? 50%, 100%, etc.

 

In my opinion you made a decent profit if the risk taken by you is moderate. We can compare return only in terms of risk. We all know Higher the risk, higher the risk.

 

If you have done trading in derivative market and made 30%, then its not enough. Derivative comes with a higher if not hedged,.

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Well, gosh, Edgar, can you point out one single instance that I bullied someone enjoying success or reaching out to help? Just one.

 

You might mean that I ask questions of vendors that they can't answer and it messes up the sales pipeline. If that is what you mean, then I am probably guilty but it isn't intentional since if you could answer the question, it wouldn't mess up the pipeline.

 

Name one time? You just did with our friend Edgar. He asked legitimate questions and needed guidance and you, in true form, felt you had to bully and belittle him with that juvenile response.

 

The only thing worse than a bully is an ignorant bully. I teach trading but there never is or ever has been a "pipeline". I don't even have a single sales person and I don't advertise. When you don't have either of those things in your company, you don't have a "pipeline". You never understood the concept of a company doing well simply because it does a damn good job and word gets around.

 

You don't "ask questions", you impose your flawed belief system through snide remarks that make your vendetta agenda crystal clear. It's just another form of bullying...and what you did to Edgar was another.

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Name one time? You just did with our friend Edgar. He asked legitimate questions and needed guidance and you, in true form, felt you had to bully and belittle him with that juvenile response.

 

The only thing worse than a bully is an ignorant bully. I teach trading but there never is or ever has been a "pipeline". I don't even have a single sales person and I don't advertise. When you don't have either of those things in your company, you don't have a "pipeline". You never understood the concept of a company doing well simply because it does a damn good job and word gets around.

 

You don't "ask questions", you impose your flawed belief system through snide remarks that make your vendetta agenda crystal clear. It's just another form of bullying...and what you did to Edgar was another.

 

My response is juvenile? A good trader in a bad year losses less than a bad trader in a bad year. A good trader in a good year makes more than a bad trader in a good year. A good trader has more good years than a bad trader.

 

30% of 5000 doesn't even cover property tax in some parts of the world.

 

There is not one word of that which is untrue or bullying.

 

I will translate it for you in long form to help you understand since you didn't understand the first time: You will have good years and bad years as a trader no matter how good you are. A good trader will tend to have more good years than bad years. A good trader will also have better good years than a bad trader. A bad trader will have deeper bad years than a good trader's bad years.

 

whether it is 6%, 10% or 500% what matters is if you can make enough money and not so much the percentage return.

 

I then followed up with : A mistake is not always a losing trade and a losing trading is not always a mistake. Learning is not making sure that you don't take the same loss as you did last trade. You won't learn anything. Really important to understand that.

 

My advice is, of course, just my opinion and from the heart and I don't sell it on a website and I don't trade sim. You do not have to agree with me. You can post your own opinion if you have one instead of coming out making accusations that you cannot back up.

 

Patuca and I are no different than the kids that a teacher needs to keep separate in class. You are mistakenly jumping aboard a band wagon with no wheels. One day I may be glad he has a gun.

 

I did make the mistake of calling you Edgar. My apologies to Edgar.

 

But, please share how your posts to Edgar gave him any advice. You did confirm that you sell and that word gets around about how good you are, but I didn't see anything that seemed like a response, good or bad, to his question. Would you mind pointing it out?

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My response is juvenile? A good trader in a bad year losses less than a bad trader in a bad year. A good trader in a good year makes more than a bad trader in a good year. A good trader has more good years than a bad trader.

 

30% of 5000 doesn't even cover property tax in some parts of the world.

 

There is not one word of that which is untrue or bullying.

 

I will translate it for you in long form to help you understand since you didn't understand the first time: You will have good years and bad years as a trader no matter how good you are. A good trader will tend to have more good years than bad years. A good trader will also have better good years than a bad trader. A bad trader will have deeper bad years than a good trader's bad years.

 

whether it is 6%, 10% or 500% what matters is if you can make enough money and not so much the percentage return.

 

I then followed up with : A mistake is not always a losing trade and a losing trading is not always a mistake. Learning is not making sure that you don't take the same loss as you did last trade. You won't learn anything. Really important to understand that.

 

My advice is, of course, just my opinion and from the heart and I don't sell it on a website and I don't trade sim. You do not have to agree with me. You can post your own opinion if you have one instead of coming out making accusations that you cannot back up.

 

Patuca and I are no different than the kids that a teacher needs to keep separate in class. You are mistakenly jumping aboard a band wagon with no wheels. One day I may be glad he has a gun.

 

I did make the mistake of calling you Edgar. My apologies to Edgar.

 

But, please share how your posts to Edgar gave him any advice. You did confirm that you sell and that word gets around about how good you are, but I didn't see anything that seemed like a response, good or bad, to his question. Would you mind pointing it out?

 

Good points, MM. If one is truly a "good trader" then a losing trade should never be considered a mistake...just one more in a long series of trades taken in a career. I reached the point years ago that, once I pull the trigger and enter a trade, and I have done my job correctly, then the outcome of that, or any other trade, is irrelevant. Trading sans mistakes is far more important than whether it wins or loses.

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Was that an advert Roger,or a statement of facts?...was it just a bumch (correct spelling)of words? Let's ask the OP if he feels you have answered his question.

Let's throw it open to the floor,how about it folks is Roger here to:

 

A- give an opinion on the thread starters' question (:roll eyes:)

 

B- To accuse MM of bullying (:rofl:)

 

C- To remind us that he's still feeling hurt that everybody can see right through him and is deeply unimpressed by the crocodile tears default mode routine (:sleep: )

 

I'm just jerking MM's chain...but don't tell him. He's a good guy....I just like to put ruffles on his ridges once in a while. Hard to find people really fun to jack with in play these days...but MM made my day. Only problem is, now it's his turn! LOL

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If you can have a 20 percent return on investment on your trading capital in a year that would make you a highly successful trader. I think anywhere from 10-15% returns will classify someone as an average successful trader.

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If you can have a 20 percent return on investment on your trading capital in a year that would make you a highly successful trader. I think anywhere from 10-15% returns will classify someone as an average successful trader.

 

I've traded forex for the last 7 years but didn't become profitable until last year. By the end of last year I ended up with 9.8% Month over Month for a total of 119% gain for the year. So far this year I am ahead by 13.8%.

 

I heard that a good stock trader will do 20% per year but a good forex trader can do 20% per month. I think with perseverance and dedication you can attain that goal. Start small, reinvest your profits, capitalize your account, and plan to spend a lot of time assessing your performance and the market. That will be the key to your success.

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Hi Edgar,

The profitable trader can vary and no one can tell you what is average - or indeed what is good and what is great. They can only say what they have achieved or what their friends have achieved.

Best trader I know has profited 700% in 5 weeks but the pressure is enormous and he lost half of that in two days.

Different methods result in different profits and if you have a good method then stick to it and unless you run into a loss making period that is unacceptable to you, then refine it at that time.

Other traders can claim what they want but there is only one person that can judge your system against your profits and that is you.

If youd like help with you system I suggest you post your system and let experienced traders give their comments - and perhaps offer advice on how they would trade your system.

I'd be happy to help!

Be content with your lot unless it is not a lot!

Best of luck.

TEAMTRADER

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Tough to answer what is good and what is not. It depends on what you set for yourself. One of my friends who started trading FX recently only started with $500 ......he made $500 in a few months but he took CRAZY risk.....bet it all every time .....he got lucky ..... so his % is 100 which is good % wise but horrible risk wise.......

 

I do not look for a % of my capital ....... P and L tells the story ...... you are either making consistent money or you are not....... If you have to set a % I would wait until you have traded successfully for a year then use that ......a few months is not enough time. you are kicking A$$ though.....I wish I had the motivation when I was 16 :(

 

Most investors want to see someone with 3-5 years of consistent returns before they even consider investing . I know you are not a manger I just stating.

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One of the major trade magazines published a study a couple years ago of the Top 10% that you always hear about - the traders who make money. This group conjures up images of yachts, mansions and parties at the Hamptons. Not really true.

 

If you toss out the outliers like Warren Buffet an the guys who end up making a dollar a year, the "average trader/investor" makes around $100,000 per year. That's probably due to a number of factors. The majority of traders are working off of relatively small accounts. This limits their profit potential from the start and most of what profit they manage to eek out goes toward paying the bills so they struggle to get ahead. Trading is a supplimental income for many.

 

The big high-roller winners you hear about usually manage to lose most of it back over time and a 500K guy ends up averaging closer to 100K. Many traders I know are happy making a couple hundred per day and they set that as their goal average.

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Many traders I know are happy making a couple hundred per day and they set that as their goal average.

 

Let's just pause here and examine what you're saying . . .

 

Supposing these traders hold three positions a day and, on average, they have two wins and one loss per day. Each trade has a $200 stop and a $200 target, let's say - does that sound fair? So they make $200 per day on average.

 

Their risk per trade is $200, and they apply the "2% rule", so they have a $10k account.

 

After a week they will have made 200 x 5 = $1000.

 

After just ten weeks, they will therefore have doubled the account to $20k.

 

After a full year they will have made a 520% return on their account if they mantain the same position size as when they started.

 

If they double their position size when they double their account they will have made a return of $310,000 after 50 weeks, or 1600%.

 

I imagine that after about ten years they would own most of the world's wealth. Not bad for "only" a few hundred per day!

 

Just in case anyone is thinking "ah, but they'd have to withdraw most of what they made to pay the bills so they couldn't compound it" you need to think again - if I could give you a system such as this are you seriously telling me that you couldn't find a way to support yourself without the trading income for 10 weeks while you doubled your account? With such a guarantee of future wealth anyone sane would go and live in a freakin dumpster for a few weeks!

 

It's disappointing to see people come here over and over again peddling the same worn out spiele . . .

 

BlueHorseshoe

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Let's just pause here and examine what you're saying . . .

 

Supposing these traders hold three positions a day and, on average, they have two wins and one loss per day. Each trade has a $200 stop and a $200 target, let's say - does that sound fair? So they make $200 per day on average.

 

Their risk per trade is $200, and they apply the "2% rule", so they have a $10k account.

 

After a week they will have made 200 x 5 = $1000.

 

After just ten weeks, they will therefore have doubled the account to $20k.

 

After a full year they will have made a 520% return on their account if they mantain the same position size as when they started.

 

If they double their position size when they double their account they will have made a return of $310,000 after 50 weeks, or 1600%.

 

I imagine that after about ten years they would own most of the world's wealth. Not bad for "only" a few hundred per day!

 

Just in case anyone is thinking "ah, but they'd have to withdraw most of what they made to pay the bills so they couldn't compound it" you need to think again - if I could give you a system such as this are you seriously telling me that you couldn't find a way to support yourself without the trading income for 10 weeks while you doubled your account? With such a guarantee of future wealth anyone sane would go and live in a freakin dumpster for a few weeks!

 

It's disappointing to see people come here over and over again peddling the same worn out spiele . . .

 

BlueHorseshoe

 

Nobody's "peddling" anything but the truth as they know it to be. If you were an actual trader, you would know that your theory collapses in the real world. There's a practical limit to the number of contracts you can trade without getting split fills splattered all over the place, for instance. Any real trader would know the many holes in your stated theory. If it were possible, traders would be doing it..and nobody is.

 

In spite of your claims, you don't have such a system to give. Total BS crap I hear all the time. Trading is NOT a get rich quick scheme, never was & never will be... but so many traders like yourself still think it is. Worn out spiele? Maybe... but sounds like somebody's not listening.

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I think I can easily pull 50% gains a year and if you have 1:2 margin then if you get 50% of your total buying power then you are getting 100% of your actual capital. If I were to be trading more capital which I hopefully will be in a couple years and am making the same and if not more gains percentage wise then I'd be making a whole lotta money.

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Just in case anyone is thinking "ah, but they'd have to withdraw most of what they made to pay the bills so they couldn't compound it" you need to think again - if I could give you a system such as this are you seriously telling me that you couldn't find a way to support yourself without the trading income for 10 weeks while you doubled your account? With such a guarantee of future wealth anyone sane would go and live in a freakin dumpster for a few weeks!. .

 

BlueHorseshoe

 

Blue, this is complete foolishness. Everyone knows that you shouldn't trade with wifi reception; besides, it is bad from a dumpster. What you are stating is not possible.

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    • Date: 17th April 2024. Market News – Appetite for risk-taking remains weak. Economic Indicators & Central Banks:   Stocks, Treasury yields and US Dollar stay firmed. Fed Chair Powell added to the recent sell off. His slightly more hawkish tone further priced out chances for any imminent action and the timing of a cut was pushed out further. He suggested if higher inflation does persist, the Fed will hold rates steady “for as long as needed.” Implied Fed Fund: There remains no real chance for a move on May 1 and at their intraday highs the June implied funds rate future showed only 5 bps, while July reflected only 10 bps. And a full 25 bps was not priced in until November, with 38 bps in cuts seen for 2024. US & EU Economies Diverging: Lagarde says ECB is moving toward rate cuts – if there are no major shocks. UK March CPI inflation falls less than expected. Output price inflation has started to nudge higher, despite another decline in input prices. Together with yesterday’s higher than expected wage numbers, the data will add to the arguments of the hawks at the BoE, which remain very reluctant to contemplate rate cuts. Canada CPI rose 0.6% in March, double the 0.3% February increase BUT core eased. The doors are still open for a possible cut at the next BoC meeting on June 5. IMF revised up its global growth forecast for 2024 with inflation easing, in its new World Economic Outlook. This is consistent with a global soft landing, according to the report. Financial Markets Performance:   USDJPY also inched up to 154.67 on expectations the BoJ will remain accommodative and as the market challenges a perceived 155 red line for MoF intervention. USOIL prices slipped -0.15% to $84.20 per barrel. Gold rose 0.24% to $2389.11 per ounce, a new record closing high as geopolitical risks overshadowed the impacts of rising rates and the stronger dollar. Market Trends:   Wall Street waffled either side of unchanged on the day amid dimming rate cut potential, rising yields, and earnings. The major indexes closed mixed with the Dow up 0.17%, while the S&P500 and NASDAQ lost -0.21% and -0.12%, respectively. Asian stock markets mostly corrected again, with Japanese bourses underperforming and the Nikkei down -1.3%. Mainland China bourses were a notable exception and the CSI 300 rallied 1.4%, but the MSCI Asia Pacific index came close to erasing the gains for this year. Always trade with strict risk management. Your capital is the single most important aspect of your trading business. Please note that times displayed based on local time zone and are from time of writing this report. Click HERE to access the full HFM Economic calendar. Want to learn to trade and analyse the markets? Join our webinars and get analysis and trading ideas combined with better understanding on how markets work. Click HERE to register for FREE! Click HERE to READ more Market news. Andria Pichidi Market Analyst HFMarkets Disclaimer: This material is provided as a general marketing communication for information purposes only and does not constitute an independent investment research. Nothing in this communication contains, or should be considered as containing, an investment advice or an investment recommendation or a solicitation for the purpose of buying or selling of any financial instrument. All information provided is gathered from reputable sources and any information containing an indication of past performance is not a guarantee or reliable indicator of future performance. Users acknowledge that any investment in FX and CFDs products is characterized by a certain degree of uncertainty and that any investment of this nature involves a high level of risk for which the users are solely responsible and liable. We assume no liability for any loss arising from any investment made based on the information provided in this communication. This communication must not be reproduced or further distributed without our prior written permission.vvvvvvv
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