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Ingot54

To Arm or to Disarm.

By Ingot54, in General Discussion

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SunTrader    10

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the gun grabbers will understandably question the source …

 

Fire on U.S. citizens - they have been doing it for a while now. With Drones.

 

So whackjob Jonesy is insinuating soon to be at a U S city near you and me?

 

And the gun manufacturers and dealers are lovin' every bit of propaganda that will push merchandise out the door.

 

Got one gun, ya need two. Got one thousand rounds of ammo, ya need two thousand etc etc

 

They ran out of Y2K calamity, Maya or biblical end of time scenarios. Well for the moment anyway.

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zdo    20

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Blindness to sociopaths is the blindness of the (‘extremist’ and ‘measured’) gun grabbers in our midst.

…it is doubtful that their conditioned minds are capable of grasping the meaning of "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive... [T]hose who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." C.S. Lewis

 

Comedian Bill Burr On Obama, Guns And The NDAA - Home - The Daily Bail

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sdoma    10

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I was unaware that constitutional rights were God given. What troubles me is that we had more than one forefather who wrote the constitution which means that we do not believe in only one God making us in fact, if not in effect, polytheistic and, therefore, subject to eternal damnation. Could it be that the constitution will lead us to hell? Is this some sort of left wing, commie, socialist, facist, jewish plot? Don't take away my medicare!

 

You're kind of misunderstanding the point the founders were making. Remember, many of the founders were agnostic or deists, so it wasn't religious fervor driving the statement. They were careful to point out that all people have certain rights which are given to them by a higher power, and are not bestowed by government. Thus, the government cannot revoke those rights as it pleases. The Constitution recognizes and protects those rights.

 

If they had just said, "hey, the govt is giving you these rights," that means that govt could take them away when it became expedient.

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sdoma    10

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Guns in a household with children is not a good idea in my book. They are prone to making mistakes. I don't want the mistakes to be fatal. Mock me if you like for caring for my children. If you decide to allow your children to be around deadly weapons that is your risk and your choice. My children are not at risk. Yours are.

 

You can keep your gun in a biometric gun safe in your room. They cost a couple hundred bucks and there's no key to find or combination to guess. Works off your finger print (and your spouse, the safe holds multiple profiles). Plus, in a high stress situation you don't have to work a little key into it or key in a combo. Problem solved, unless one of your kids bashes the other one's head against the safe.

 

I love how binary you are. It's either don't keep guns, or kids get shot. You're a smart guy, but you are reasoning emotionally. You might feel differently about the war on drugs if you had addiction problems in your family, especially meth or heroin. But you don't, so you can be logical about it.

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You can keep your gun in a biometric gun safe in your room. They cost a couple hundred bucks and there's no key to find or combination to guess. Works off your finger print (and your spouse, the safe holds multiple profiles). Plus, in a high stress situation you don't have to work a little key into it or key in a combo. Problem solved, unless one of your kids bashes the other one's head against the safe.

 

I love how binary you are. It's either don't keep guns, or kids get shot. You're a smart guy, but you are reasoning emotionally. You might feel differently about the war on drugs if you had addiction problems in your family, especially meth or heroin. But you don't, so you can be logical about it.

 

Biometric cabinets didn't exist when I decided to remove my guns from my home. The options at the time were options that I know I could have foiled as a kid. You are assuming your kids are going to act, perhaps, rationally, as you did as in ' the guns are locked and that means dad doesn't want me to get them so I it is better that I do not try or I can get into trouble." Problem solved.

 

My mind set as a kid was that I would view the safe as a challenge. As in" I know I can get into that and be able to shoot the guns without dad knowing." One way to do it without messing with the safe would be to beg mom to open it so that I can see the guns. I had keys to both my parents cars at 13. I would take cars when they weren't looking. I am fortunate to not have gotten into accidents. But, damn, was it exciting.

 

My kids were more like the latter and unlike me. I probably could have left the guns out in the open and they would never have touched them. I bought my son a wrist rocket (slingshot) about 5 years ago and it came with a dozen ball bearings. There are still about 6 bearings in the package. It isn't interesting to him. I had my slingshot with me at all times until it was broken. I broke thousands of bottles, windows, shot animals, cars, etc. With all things dangerous, I expected and planned for what I thought would be the worst and hoped for the best. It is rational to plan to protect your loved ones, right? In my mind, the exposure to the boogie man was far less of a risk than the exposure of an accident occurring in my home. The data matches what I intuitively understood. If I lived in Honduras, I would probably think differently.

 

There is a very real possibility that I face every day of my kids becoming addicted to drugs. But, if my kids were to become addicts, I would prefer that they be able to buy them safely and and at a reasonable price and produced with quality controls than to buy them in a back alley, at black market prices, and produced in a makeshift basement lab by strung out freaks.

 

I do not need the government to help me to protect my kids or help me teach my kids right from wrong. My wife and I will handle that as best we can. In our home there is no association between having fun and entering an altered state of consciousness. My children were subliminally taught that you can have fun without getting smashed. It is normal for them not to drink. Yes, their peers have learned differently from their parents and that is an obstacle for me. But, to my children, getting drunk at a party is not normal because they have never seen us do it. In my life I take every obstacle as a challenge rather than turn them into a stone wall that I can't surpass.

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SunTrader    10

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Parents, all generations, have problems .... setting the time back in the day with old vcrs, setting up new flat screen tv's/dvr's/surrondsound systems, sending photos on the smartphones and so many other modern day techie things.

 

Kids - no problem.

 

So good luck with biometrics keeping deadly weapons safe. :doh:

 

Again though it comes down to how responsible the parents are. Was Adam Lanza's mother a responsible parent?

 

Also what about times when actually a child (mature enough to use gun properly) is at home, working parent is not there or maybe an irresponsible parent is not there when they should be - in late hours, and the child cannot get access to the weapon when it actually might help them defend themselves from a home invasion.

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MightyMouse    12

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You're kind of misunderstanding the point the founders were making. Remember, many of the founders were agnostic or deists, so it wasn't religious fervor driving the statement. They were careful to point out that all people have certain rights which are given to them by a higher power, and are not bestowed by government. Thus, the government cannot revoke those rights as it pleases. The Constitution recognizes and protects those rights.

 

If they had just said, "hey, the govt is giving you these rights," that means that govt could take them away when it became expedient.

 

Thank you for your interpretation of what the founders were thinking. The interpretation that I was commenting on was the interpretation or misinterpretation of right wing conservative legislators who said it recently and not 200+ years ago. They too believe that our nation is a Cristian nation and should be operated like a Cristian nation.

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Biometric cabinets didn't exist when I decided to remove my guns from my home. The options at the time were options that I know I could have foiled as a kid. You are assuming your kids are going to act, perhaps, rationally, as you did as in ' the guns are locked and that means dad doesn't want me to get them so I it is better that I do not try or I can get into trouble." Problem solved.

 

You could foil a trigger lock, or crack a conventional safe? That would involve stealing the key, and if your parents kept theirs on them, it would have been pretty difficult.

 

One way to do it without messing with the safe would be to beg mom to open it so that I can see the guns.

 

But at that point, you didn't beat the safe, and you are looking at the gun in a controlled environment (Mom is there). That's what should happen, because it would have sated your curiosity. At 13, your parents should have taken you shooting and taught you proper gun safety, and even then, they should still be locked up. Believe it or not, gun safety becomes very real after you've actually fired one and felt its power, and at any gun range, safety is PARAMOUNT. They don't mess around at all, and they aren't nicey nice about it either. That attitude sinks into a kid.

 

In my mind, the exposure to the boogie man was far less of a risk than the exposure of an accident occurring in my home. The data matches what I intuitively understood. If I lived in Honduras, I would probably think differently.

 

I'm not sure what stats you're relying on to make this judgment. The chances of both are very, very low.

 

There is a very real possibility that I face every day of my kids becoming addicted to drugs. But, if my kids were to become addicts, I would prefer that they be able to buy them safely and and at a reasonable price and produced with quality controls than to buy them in a back alley, at black market prices, and produced in a makeshift basement lab by strung out freaks.

 

Ever had much experience with meth addicts? How would you like to watch that happen to your kid, and be helpless to stop it? Don't you think if you lost a kid like that you'd be rabidly anti-drug? Don't give me your "they won't" excuses, it's a cop out so you don't have to contemplate the scenario.

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MightyMouse    12

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You could foil a trigger lock, or crack a conventional safe? That would involve stealing the key, and if your parents kept theirs on them, it would have been pretty difficult.

People make mistakes. I had keys to my parents cars, Both cars. It is all a matter of time before they make a mistake. In the case of a gun case, if it is keys,, then copies can be made. If it is biometrics, then it is a matter of time before it is accidentally left open. You are assuming that your kids are going to be perfectly behaved. I was assuming that mine were not going to be. Better to be safe than sorry. If you have a curious child, then you are going to have to be perfect throughout your life if you are going to have guns in your home. I had guns as an adult, but they were not in my home when I was a kid. My father did not have guns.

I'm not sure what stats you're relying on to make this judgment. The chances of both are very, very low.

MMS: Error

For what it is worth, the study finds a link between gun ownership in the home and homicide in the home. It does follow intuitively that the more guns the more death by guns. A hard case to argue against unless you force the argument or are trying to push an agenda. I might argue that a gun attracts the boogie man to the home.

 

 

Ever had much experience with meth addicts? How would you like to watch that happen to your kid, and be helpless to stop it? Don't you think if you lost a kid like that you'd be rabidly anti-drug? Don't give me your "they won't" excuses, it's a cop out so you don't have to contemplate the scenario.

 

There was no such thing as meth, as far as I knew, growing up, but I have lost lots of friends to drugs and drug related death and recently several cases of liver sclerosis. I can tell you, confidently, that each case wasn't a result of drugs for drugs sake. It was drugs being taken to mask other problems.

 

I stated that I face a very real possibility that my children can become drug addicts. A statement like that is far from a cop out. If they had to be 21 to buy them at a store, then it would likely be harder to buy than it is to buy them from a guy in an alley like they can now if they wanted them.

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see

 

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding.

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