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Is Discipline Enough to Succeed?

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Hi all,

 

This is my first post here although I've read through many threads over the

last few months.

 

It appears to me that trading problems are being catagorized as either a

Discipline problem or a Psycholgy issue.As an example I am sure everyone

is familiar with is not placing a protective stop.

 

Now, Is this a Discipline problem or is it a mental issue or both ???

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Hi all,

 

This is my first post here although I've read through many threads over the

last few months.

 

It appears to me that trading problems are being catagorized as either a

Discipline problem or a Psycholgy issue.As an example I am sure everyone

is familiar with is not placing a protective stop.

 

Now, Is this a Discipline problem or is it a mental issue or both ???

 

It seems that often the psychology / mental issues lead to a breakdown of discipline.

 

It all starts with the mental games...!

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Its neither. Most pro traders don't use stops like the retail market does. The retail market needs to use stops because they either lack the resources of pro traders or lack the understanding of basic principles of markets. Now I am sure many of the folks here would disagree. That is fine because most of the traders here are of that retail market I mentioned earlier. I guess a really simple question is when traders trade on the floor how did they place stops?

 

Its also true that the its broken down into 2 categories. Unfortunate really. The fact is that no matter how much discipline you have or how much mental will power you have will in no way make up for a lack of knowledge and understanding. Granted they might be the tools to get you that understanding. But again its all art and no system is wrong and everyone is making money and there are an infinite amount of edges one can have and an infinite ways to trade. Its almost not worth the time to even challenge the lies that are pushed in the retail community about knowledge on how to trade. Oh well :2c:

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Its neither. Most pro traders don't use stops like the retail market does. The retail market needs to use stops because they either lack the resources of pro traders or lack the understanding of basic principles of markets. Now I am sure many of the folks here would disagree.

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The fact is that no matter how much discipline you have or how much mental will power you have will in no way make up for a lack of knowledge and understanding. ... Its almost not worth the time to even challenge the lies that are pushed in the retail community about knowledge on how to trade. Oh well :2c:

 

 

The recent posts in this thread have been about “not placing a protective stop” – which is (retail) ‘codespeak’ for not taking your losses.

So, ColB It’s not really “neither”. ie It’s not about knowledge or understanding – because a huge % of the retail traders who don’t place “a protective stop” (which is (retail) ‘code’ for not taking your losses) in each situation fully cognitively know and understand they should and could but literally CAN”T… with them, no amount of ‘discipline’ will consistently overcome the pattern. =~ 'mental' issues with natural biases... not just discipline issues...

 

The only way your post is on topic is something you didn’t quite say – ‘professionals’ don’t statistically have the same issues with taking their losses as do ‘retail’ traders.

Instead of most folks "disagreeing", hopefully they would just see you missed the point and veered off topic.

Hope this raises your knowledge and understanding even more. ;) :razz:

 

zdo ... pushing lies :rofl:

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This is probably a question which is more broadly applicable than to just trading and it would probably be helpful to hear from those well versed in current (not always necessarily correct though) views in the field of psychology. Is it enough to be just very disciplined at something in order to become successful at it whilst not having bucket loads of natural ability and possibly more importantly, the passion for it? I would note that by success I mean replicable positive results, not necessarily be at the very top of the tree so to speak.

 

My feeling is it depends. Probably a great deal on the type of guidance the individual receives. I think that natural ability is only fulfilled with discipline. Clearly therefore, there will be some individuals with very little need for external influence to experience some degree of success. Yet there will be some who are extremely disciplined who lack the flair and intuition (or whatever you want to call it but please, that's a different thread!) to know what they should be doing and there are those who have the flair and so on but not the discipline. How important do you consider each factor?

 

This is an exceptionally good question and there will be a lot of differing opinions on it, I'm sure. But I'd like to share my experience in working with over 5,000 different individuals over the past 16 years.

 

Basically, when someone decides they want to become a trader, they fall into two catagories. The first group, and the largest by far, want the money and the freedom, they want the lifestyle that trading can provide that few other career choices can match. They want long term success and they want it NOW! But, if it involves any real effort, study, practice, time commitment or monetary investment, then interest falls off in direct proportion to their equity curve. These are the 70 to 80% of the failures that you keep hearing about. They might have some level of desire or want, but it's nothing close to the level of passion that they'd need to make it through the pitfalls and potholes on the road to success.

 

The second group are the passionate ones, yet only half of this group will ever succeed. They thurst for knowledge and devour it like a duck on a junebug. If they ever fell and knocked their head open, indicators and chart bars would come falling out. Does their passion, drive and vast knowledge insure their success? Unfortunately, no. Inherent talent? Nope again.

 

You can have all the trading knowledge in the world, super intelligence and a real talent for learning but, if you don't have both the passion and the discipline for trading, you will find success forever elusive. I have the interest and the desire to be a good golfer but I don't have the passion to be a great one. I would like to have the physical conditioning of an Olympic Athlete but I lack the discipline to stick with the diet and exercise regimen necessary. To have extreme discipline you must have intense passion and few things require more discipline and passion than trading.

 

Many traders think that the discipline part means just following your rules. It's much more than that. It means having the passionate determination to do whatever is necessary to get to the professional level. To be willing to work through the anger, frustration, despair, mistakes and setbacks and failure after failure and hold steadfast to the commitment to never, never give up. Unfortunately, passion doesn't guarantee discipline (or vice versa). They are two separate human qualities and both must be present in every successful trader.

 

Does having a mentor help? To the vast majority, it's vital. But the best teacher and mentor on the planet is wasting their time if they are trying to work with a passionless, undisciplined trader. You can't teach passion and you can't sell discipline.

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The recent posts in this thread have been about “not placing a protective stop” – which is (retail) ‘codespeak’ for not taking your losses.

So, ColB It’s not really “neither”. ie It’s not about knowledge or understanding – because a huge % of the retail traders who don’t place “a protective stop” (which is (retail) ‘code’ for not taking your losses) in each situation fully cognitively know and understand they should and could but literally CAN”T… with them, no amount of ‘discipline’ will consistently overcome the pattern. =~ 'mental' issues with natural biases... not just discipline issues...

 

The only way your post is on topic is something you didn’t quite say – ‘professionals’ don’t statistically have the same issues with taking their losses as do ‘retail’ traders.

Instead of most folks "disagreeing", hopefully they would just see you missed the point and veered off topic.

Hope this raises your knowledge and understanding even more. ;) :razz:

 

zdo ... pushing lies :rofl:

 

BTW. I work with plenty of successful professional traders that use stops as part of their risk management. It may depend more on whose money they are risking. The guys I work with are risking others money and also their own.

 

Rande Howell

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"Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence .Talent will not ;nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent.Genius will not;unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education alone will not;the world is full of educated derelicts.

Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent."

Calvin Coolidge

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Why are we now seeing not one but 2 ads covering 2 posts on each thread so we cant read them?

 

Hi,

 

That is strange. Can you take a screenshot and share it with us? Definitely don't want ads getting in your way.

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Hi,

 

That is strange. Can you take a screenshot and share it with us? Definitely don't want ads getting in your way.

 

Thanks, I will try but I dont have snagit on my computer anymore which was the only way I leaned how to do a screenshot unless it was from my charts. What is the easiest way for me to take a screenshot in your opinion. And yes as I was reading your reply there was an ad for Vanguard IRA's stuck on my page with no x to click it off as all of them seem to have.

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I took a free trial of snag it just to try to get a sample/example page to you. I tried" save as" straight from the page but it wouldnt let me save it to pictures or documents.maybe its a "chrome" thing. Anyway I hope I sent the right attacment. There should be 3 ads on this page.

 

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

 

PS- Uh oh, I went to preview this before sending and after going from "manage attachments" and then attaching it, I dont see it attached to my post in the preview. I dont have this problem on other forums. I must be doing something wrong. Sorry I will keep trying if I have to.

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I took a free trial of snag it just to try to get a sample/example page to you. I tried" save as" straight from the page but it wouldnt let me save it to pictures or documents.maybe its a "chrome" thing. Anyway I hope I sent the right attacment. There should be 3 ads on this page.

 

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

 

PS- Uh oh, I went to preview this before sending and after going from "manage attachments" and then attaching it, I dont see it attached to my post in the preview. I dont have this problem on other forums. I must be doing something wrong. Sorry I will keep trying if I have to.

 

Hey

 

You can just click print screen, and paste it into paint, save the JPG / PNG / GIF and share :) or you can get a free version of jing [Jing, screenshot and screencast software from TechSmith

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Sadly. Very,Very sadly. Boxing and Trading have almost exactly similar mind sets.......and horribly, results.

 

#1-Discipline is very important but paradoxically in the end it means nothing. Boxing just like trading is a zero sum game. Unlike normal professions that add to the world, for every dollar we win, someone has to lose a dollar. For every boxer that goes home to celebrate and has a bevvy of women waiting to please his every disire, the other man who lost is going home to put his face into a sink full of ice and maybe a stop by the liquor store for some anesthesia on the way home. The trader: Both traders stayed up all night analyzing charts, one lost his weeks pay, one made his weeks pay. Both boxers did every single thing their trainer told them to do,yet one is the winner the other no matter how much discipline, is not.

 

In the end: This is very surreal, ephemeral and hard to decipher. But in the end, dont 95% of the great boxers(let alone the bad ones or the has beens!) wind up with brain damage, impairments of some kind, and a feeling of having no use after their career is done. Dont most winning traders live in isolation in one way or another, lose many happy times with their friends and maybe family, and when thier career is over, maybe they are not brain damaged, but what is left when you look back on your life and ask yourself, "What did I do in this world that made any difference? The answer is nothing. If you dont care,(and some traders dont) its easier to feel empty when you cant or wont trade anymore.At least the boxer can say he entertained people and brought smiles to peoples faces. But in the end..........money aside, dont they both die and are forgotten? So why do I want to trade you may ask?

 

I have personal reasons. I want to use trading to give back. Very few people know how to do that. Warren Buffet waited till he was over 80 before he left his money to charity. Im still waiting to hear what good things occured or how the world is better for it.

 

OUR FOREFATHERS OF TRADING!

 

IS IT AN ACCIDENT THAT LIVERMORE, ELLIOT,GANN AND DOW NEVER LIVED TO AN OLD AGE? AND THAT ONE COMMITTED SUICIDE, ONE DIED OF ALCOHOLISM AND THE OTHER 2 DIED DEAD BROKE AND ALONE. ALL 4 WERE SICK MOST OF THEIR LIVES!

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Well....that brightened everybody's day,yes? :haha: Im trading 15 years and I have given everything I ever loved to participate in this "sport." Let me call it a sport for today. It sounds more invigorating. And no I dont drink.:bang head:

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Sadly. Very,Very sadly. Boxing and Trading have almost exactly similar mind sets.......and horribly, results.

 

#1-Discipline is very important but paradoxically in the end it means nothing. Boxing just like trading is a zero sum game. Unlike normal professions that add to the world, for every dollar we win, someone has to lose a dollar. For every boxer that goes home to celebrate and has a bevvy of women waiting to please his every disire, the other man who lost is going home to put his face into a sink full of ice and maybe a stop by the liquor store for some anesthesia on the way home. The trader: Both traders stayed up all night analyzing charts, one lost his weeks pay, one made his weeks pay. Both boxers did every single thing their trainer told them to do,yet one is the winner the other no matter how much discipline, is not.

 

In the end: This is very surreal, ephemeral and hard to decipher. But in the end, dont 95% of the great boxers(let alone the bad ones or the has beens!) wind up with brain damage, impairments of some kind, and a feeling of having no use after their career is done. Dont most winning traders live in isolation in one way or another, lose many happy times with their friends and maybe family, and when thier career is over, maybe they are not brain damaged, but what is left when you look back on your life and ask yourself, "What did I do in this world that made any difference? The answer is nothing. If you dont care,(and some traders dont) its easier to feel empty when you cant or wont trade anymore.At least the boxer can say he entertained people and brought smiles to peoples faces. But in the end..........money aside, dont they both die and are forgotten? So why do I want to trade you may ask?

 

I have personal reasons. I want to use trading to give back. Very few people know how to do that. Warren Buffet waited till he was over 80 before he left his money to charity. Im still waiting to hear what good things occured or how the world is better for it.

 

OUR FOREFATHERS OF TRADING!

 

IS IT AN ACCIDENT THAT LIVERMORE, ELLIOT,GANN AND DOW NEVER LIVED TO AN OLD AGE? AND THAT ONE COMMITTED SUICIDE, ONE DIED OF ALCOHOLISM AND THE OTHER 2 DIED DEAD BROKE AND ALONE. ALL 4 WERE SICK MOST OF THEIR LIVES!

 

Probably as bazaar and cynical a post as I've ever read. So, when I have a good day in the market, I took all of my profit from one single guy?...instead of a small amount from the multitude of other traders? And, because I'm successful, no matter how much I help my family, friends and fellow man, I am doomed to die alone, broke and forgotten...but giving it away is still somehow more righteous even if my family starves.

 

As a trader, I get to spend more quality time with my family than any non-trader I know of and still have time to teach many others how to do the same. Time and financial freedom are two of the reasons I chose to be a trader.

 

People in all legal professions should be rewarded for their hard work, dedication, knowledge, skill, training and discipline. They shouldn't have to apologize to anyone because providing for their families and getting their kids through college and helping those less fortunate along the way doesn't meet someone else's definition of "making a difference in the world".

 

I will forever be amazed at how one person can marvel at a diamond while another sees it as carbon that got screwed up by too much pressure.

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Probably as bazaar and cynical a post as I've ever read. So, when I have a good day in the market, I took all of my profit from one single guy?...instead of a small amount from the multitude of other traders? And, because I'm successful, no matter how much I help my family, friends and fellow man, I am doomed to die alone, broke and forgotten...but giving it away is still somehow more righteous even if my family starves.

 

As a trader, I get to spend more quality time with my family than any non-trader I know of and still have time to teach many others how to do the same. Time and financial freedom are two of the reasons I chose to be a trader.

 

People in all legal professions should be rewarded for their hard work, dedication, knowledge, skill, training and discipline. They shouldn't have to apologize to anyone because providing for their families and getting their kids through college and helping those less fortunate along the way doesn't meet someone else's definition of "making a difference in the world".

 

I will forever be amazed at how one person can marvel at a diamond while another sees it as carbon that got screwed up by too much pressure.

 

I only wrote this to be similar to pop or impressionist type art. The best art, my friend is born of despair. Trading like war...................and yes the average trader who goes up against guys like you with your robots, and professionally made software and coding is in a war against a very deadly adversary. Nothing personal Roger, but maybe that is why you feel the need to teach and sell besides trading. Trading cannot make a person feel complete. Not many,anyway. So Im just mixing in a bit of art and reality so few of us ever get to hear. We hear war stories, the trade that was missed, the great day or week someone had when they were running good that week. But you rarely find men who dip into their souls in trading threads. And maybe they arent meant for that. But then where does one go to find a deeper level of conversation about trading? It is almost impossible. Which brings us right back full circle, like a fractal, like some magical fibonacci number that sends our runaway stock crashing right back into our face and rruins the day, yes we come back to where I was originally saying.....Trading can be a lonely,empty profession. It can be wonderful too. But this is directed at either the 95% who are destined by statistics to lose.....and also the winners who find at the end of the day after squeezing out so many pips or points from the same setup over and over and over...it just is what it is.

 

I will end with sharing with you what one very successful trader said to a group of us as a guest ion a chat room. He said...."Once you get it, once you find that set up or formula that works for you and your personality, trading is just a job. I'm not really excited by it anymore. To me, trading done right ,done profitably is like working in McDonalds, robotically flipping burger after burger all day long. Or frying eggs and flipping them...all day long. There is no more guess work, no more intrigue, its just a business,because you KNOW what the end result to a very good degree is going to be,every single month..You see the setup, you click the mouse, you take it. You dont see it, you stare at a screen, you wait. Thats all trading in the end comes down to."

 

So lets throw his opinion in too. Personally I think this is a man that got burned out on trading which maybe is the bottom line here. Trading is not a magic profession that once you can make a living at it all your wants and desires are taken care of and boredom goes away. We still have many restless,boring days in life...just like everyone else. Look at the creative,wonderful people who made Traders laboratory. If trading was enough they wouldnt have spent years of their life building a trading community. I rest my case. And my art.:)

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I only wrote this to be similar to pop or impressionist type art. The best art, my friend is born of despair. Trading like war...................and yes the average trader who goes up against guys like you with your robots, and professionally made software and coding is in a war against a very deadly adversary. Nothing personal Roger, but maybe that is why you feel the need to teach and sell besides trading. Trading cannot make a person feel complete. Not many,anyway. So Im just mixing in a bit of art and reality so few of us ever get to hear. We hear war stories, the trade that was missed, the great day or week someone had when they were running good that week. But you rarely find men who dip into their souls in trading threads. And maybe they arent meant for that. But then where does one go to find a deeper level of conversation about trading? It is almost impossible. Which brings us right back full circle, like a fractal, like some magical fibonacci number that sends our runaway stock crashing right back into our face and rruins the day, yes we come back to where I was originally saying.....Trading can be a lonely,empty profession. It can be wonderful too. But this is directed at either the 95% who are destined by statistics to lose.....and also the winners who find at the end of the day after squeezing out so many pips or points from the same setup over and over and over...it just is what it is.

 

I will end with sharing with you what one very successful trader said to a group of us as a guest ion a chat room. He said...."Once you get it, once you find that set up or formula that works for you and your personality, trading is just a job. I'm not really excited by it anymore. To me, trading done right ,done profitably is like working in McDonalds, robotically flipping burger after burger all day long. Or frying eggs and flipping them...all day long. There is no more guess work, no more intrigue, its just a business,because you KNOW what the end result to a very good degree is going to be,every single month..You see the setup, you click the mouse, you take it. You dont see it, you stare at a screen, you wait. Thats all trading in the end comes down to."

 

So lets throw his opinion in too. Personally I think this is a man that got burned out on trading which maybe is the bottom line here. Trading is not a magic profession that once you can make a living at it all your wants and desires are taken care of and boredom goes away. We still have many restless,boring days in life...just like everyone else. Look at the creative,wonderful people who made Traders laboratory. If trading was enough they wouldnt have spent years of their life building a trading community. I rest my case. And my art.:)

 

No need to explain, Vince50, I know exactly where you're coming from. I think if Van Gogh had also been a trader he'd have cut off both ears. Well, one things for sure, trading does offer plenty of despair to go around. But it covers it up well with heaping doses of confusion, frustration, anger, panic and desperation just to keep us on our toes and keep us from getting too cocky. Seems that way, doesn't it? But the truth is, whatever experience we get from trading, physical or emotional, we bring on ourselves. It's like someone getting in a car, breaking all the rules of the road, panicking and crashing into a tree...then blaming the car for the pain and suffering!

 

Markets and cars are both inanimate vehicles. One to move about physically and the other to advance financially. Neither is capable of thought or deed. Neither can plot against you. Neither are to blame for any suffering that you bring upon yourself due to your lack of any or all of the three essential elements that all successful traders must possess.

 

The first thing traders must do is recognize markets for what they are...just inanimate vehicles that simply provide a means of making a living. Rarely are they a means for getting filthy rich. Yet traders continue to want to make millions by learning from a trader who already made millions. That's like expecting Tiger Woods to teach you how to be a billionaire trying to mimic what he does.

 

As traders, we learn to identify conditional "setups" that have a historical high probability of producing profitable moves...but we never know how far. We employ sound Trade Management techniques and take what we can get. We have little control of how much the market gives us, but we can sure control how much it takes away. That's the DISCIPLINE that this thread is about. If we can control that, then we can control the fear, anxiety, depression, frustration, anger, and all those other nasty negative emotions that sabotage our confidence and cloud our thinking...and always end badly for the trader.

 

Good stuff, Vince50, for a lively discussion. Thanks for the thought-starters and response!

 

BTW...I never use "robots" and the software I use is simply designed to take over the tedious "dog work" that I dislike doing myself...the constant measuring, figuring, data crunching, back-testing and multi-chart filtering. That stuff wears me out mentally and is ideal for computers. Give me the answers I need and let me manage the trade. It's a system that works for me and I have a standing offer to any TL member to let me know if they would like to learn, friend to friend, what I do and why it works so well.

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The first thing traders must do is recognize markets for what they are...just inanimate vehicles that simply provide a means of making a living. Rarely are they a means for getting filthy rich. Yet traders continue to want to make millions by learning from a trader who already made millions. That's like expecting Tiger Woods to teach you how to be a billionaire trying to mimic what he does.

Roger,you wrote the above. And I must confess you are spot on. And I would like to make a wager that if every person on this board was told that if they learn to succeed in trading they will never be rich, just make double what they make now....90% (including me!) would be gone from trading forever. The truth is,and I hope you agree, there are many multi-millionaires who dont put in the effort some of the men and women on this board do to become successful!!! Trading often is not fair. 95%(I say its much higher for day traders) of traders lose, and the few percent that win, dont get a yacht and 2 beach houses and a sprawling ranch in Inibeza,Spain. You definitely get back pain and a need for reading glasses and ....well, lets leave it at that. lol

 

But I hope you agree,Roger, That trading is very much like a relationship with a woman, you can get those time periods where all you can think about is that woman, the sex is great, and every cloud in the sky is beautiful and every raindrop,pristine! But time goes by, and like a trading cycle where there is nothing but sidewatys movement for a long long time, most relationships get stale,and if they cant be fixed....we move on. But what do we move ON TO.....if trading loses its luster? Or as that song went in that Top Gun-Tom Cruise movie....what happens to your career in trading when......."Youve lost that loving feeling, And its gone, gone ,gone....." ???????????????????? I dont think Gann,Elliot,Dow,Livermore and all the old time traders loved trading when they were near death,anywhere as much as when they "thought" they conquered it! JMHO. Good post Roger!:applaud:

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I don't know much to trading. I only know what I know from hard direct experience and repeated daily practice, note taking, reading, and chart time.

 

But I come to conclusion its all discipline..............................

 

The success that a trader achieves in the markets is directly correlated to one’s trading discipline or lack thereof. Trading discipline is 90 percent of the game. The formula is very simple: Trade with discipline and you will succeed; trade without discipline and you will fail.

 

I have also come to conclusion that I don't feel bad about my previous losses in the beginning. Lets face it, I didn't know what the hell I was doing. And guess what.......I still don't know what the hell I am doing. But what I am doing makes sense to me and seems to working thus far. So all that technical and discipline stuff don't mean nothing unless the trader know what the hell they are doing.

 

Just my two cents.:2c:

 

Goodoboy, there is a movie you can watch on netflix streaming called Occupation:Fighter.[/b[ It is about a talented artist who gives up his career to follow his passion.....MMA fighting. Its a documentary. Tell me if you dont take back the words you just said after you watch it. The ending makes it all worth while. Anyone who liked Rocky will see the real life version and I mean REAL! Traders will really dig into theior soul after this touching and realistic documentary.

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Hi again, I posted the snapshot and I am still barraged with 3 ads on every page I go to. Guess what the marketers are now doing!!!! When I am online with your site open as well as 2 or 3 other sites,I start getting audio commercials and I cant trace where they come from! Dont even know if your site is giving them to me first or also or not at all!!!! Is this the new wave, the new age of spam. AUDIO????

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    • Date: 18th April 2024. Market News – Stock markets benefit from Dollar correction. Economic Indicators & Central Banks:   Technical buying, bargain hunting, and risk aversion helped Treasuries rally and unwind recent losses. Yields dropped from the recent 2024 highs. Asian stock markets strengthened, as the US Dollar corrected in the wake of comments from Japan’s currency chief Masato Kanda, who said G7 countries continue to stress that excessive swings and disorderly moves in the foreign exchange market were harmful for economies. US Stockpiles expanded to 10-month high. The data overshadowed the impact of geopolitical tensions in the Middle East as traders await Israel’s response to Iran’s unprecedented recent attack. President Joe Biden called for higher tariffs on imports of Chinese steel and aluminum.   Financial Markets Performance:   The USDIndex stumbled, falling to 105.66 at the end of the day from the intraday high of 106.48. It lost ground against most of its G10 peers. There wasn’t much on the calendar to provide new direction. USDJPY lows retesting the 154 bottom! NOT an intervention yet. BoJ/MoF USDJPY intervention happens when there is more than 100+ pip move in seconds, not 50 pips. USOIL slumped by 3% near $82, as US crude inventories rose by 2.7 million barrels last week, hitting the highest level since last June, while gauges of fuel demand declined. Gold strengthened as the dollar weakened and bullion is trading at $2378.44 per ounce. Market Trends:   Wall Street closed in the red after opening with small corrective gains. The NASDAQ underperformed, slumping -1.15%, with the S&P500 -0.58% lower, while the Dow lost -0.12. The Nikkei closed 0.2% higher, the Hang Seng gained more than 1. European and US futures are finding buyers. A gauge of global chip stocks and AI bellwether Nvidia Corp. have both fallen into a technical correction. The TMSC reported its first profit rise in a year, after strong AI demand revived growth at the world’s biggest contract chipmaker. The main chipmaker to Apple Inc. and Nvidia Corp. recorded a 9% rise in net income, beating estimates. Always trade with strict risk management. Your capital is the single most important aspect of your trading business. Please note that times displayed based on local time zone and are from time of writing this report. Click HERE to access the full HFM Economic calendar. Want to learn to trade and analyse the markets? Join our webinars and get analysis and trading ideas combined with better understanding on how markets work. Click HERE to register for FREE! Click HERE to READ more Market news. Andria Pichidi Market Analyst HFMarkets Disclaimer: This material is provided as a general marketing communication for information purposes only and does not constitute an independent investment research. Nothing in this communication contains, or should be considered as containing, an investment advice or an investment recommendation or a solicitation for the purpose of buying or selling of any financial instrument. All information provided is gathered from reputable sources and any information containing an indication of past performance is not a guarantee or reliable indicator of future performance. Users acknowledge that any investment in FX and CFDs products is characterized by a certain degree of uncertainty and that any investment of this nature involves a high level of risk for which the users are solely responsible and liable. We assume no liability for any loss arising from any investment made based on the information provided in this communication. This communication must not be reproduced or further distributed without our prior written permission.
    • Date: 17th April 2024. Market News – Appetite for risk-taking remains weak. Economic Indicators & Central Banks:   Stocks, Treasury yields and US Dollar stay firmed. Fed Chair Powell added to the recent sell off. His slightly more hawkish tone further priced out chances for any imminent action and the timing of a cut was pushed out further. He suggested if higher inflation does persist, the Fed will hold rates steady “for as long as needed.” Implied Fed Fund: There remains no real chance for a move on May 1 and at their intraday highs the June implied funds rate future showed only 5 bps, while July reflected only 10 bps. And a full 25 bps was not priced in until November, with 38 bps in cuts seen for 2024. US & EU Economies Diverging: Lagarde says ECB is moving toward rate cuts – if there are no major shocks. UK March CPI inflation falls less than expected. Output price inflation has started to nudge higher, despite another decline in input prices. Together with yesterday’s higher than expected wage numbers, the data will add to the arguments of the hawks at the BoE, which remain very reluctant to contemplate rate cuts. Canada CPI rose 0.6% in March, double the 0.3% February increase BUT core eased. The doors are still open for a possible cut at the next BoC meeting on June 5. IMF revised up its global growth forecast for 2024 with inflation easing, in its new World Economic Outlook. This is consistent with a global soft landing, according to the report. Financial Markets Performance:   USDJPY also inched up to 154.67 on expectations the BoJ will remain accommodative and as the market challenges a perceived 155 red line for MoF intervention. USOIL prices slipped -0.15% to $84.20 per barrel. Gold rose 0.24% to $2389.11 per ounce, a new record closing high as geopolitical risks overshadowed the impacts of rising rates and the stronger dollar. Market Trends:   Wall Street waffled either side of unchanged on the day amid dimming rate cut potential, rising yields, and earnings. The major indexes closed mixed with the Dow up 0.17%, while the S&P500 and NASDAQ lost -0.21% and -0.12%, respectively. Asian stock markets mostly corrected again, with Japanese bourses underperforming and the Nikkei down -1.3%. Mainland China bourses were a notable exception and the CSI 300 rallied 1.4%, but the MSCI Asia Pacific index came close to erasing the gains for this year. Always trade with strict risk management. Your capital is the single most important aspect of your trading business. Please note that times displayed based on local time zone and are from time of writing this report. Click HERE to access the full HFM Economic calendar. Want to learn to trade and analyse the markets? Join our webinars and get analysis and trading ideas combined with better understanding on how markets work. Click HERE to register for FREE! Click HERE to READ more Market news. Andria Pichidi Market Analyst HFMarkets Disclaimer: This material is provided as a general marketing communication for information purposes only and does not constitute an independent investment research. Nothing in this communication contains, or should be considered as containing, an investment advice or an investment recommendation or a solicitation for the purpose of buying or selling of any financial instrument. All information provided is gathered from reputable sources and any information containing an indication of past performance is not a guarantee or reliable indicator of future performance. Users acknowledge that any investment in FX and CFDs products is characterized by a certain degree of uncertainty and that any investment of this nature involves a high level of risk for which the users are solely responsible and liable. We assume no liability for any loss arising from any investment made based on the information provided in this communication. This communication must not be reproduced or further distributed without our prior written permission.vvvvvvv
    • Date: 16th April 2024. Market News – Stocks and currencies sell off; USD up. Economic Indicators & Central Banks:   Stocks and currencies sell off, while the US Dollar picks up haven flows. Treasuries yields spiked again to fresh 2024 peaks before paring losses into the close, post, the stronger than expected retail sales eliciting a broad sell off in the markets. Rates surged as the data pushed rate cut bets further into the future with July now less than a 50-50 chance. Wall Street finished with steep declines led by tech. Stocks opened in the green on a relief trade after Israel repulsed the well advertised attack from Iran on Sunday. But equities turned sharply lower and extended last week’s declines amid the rise in yields. Investor concerns were intensified as Israel threatened retaliation. There’s growing anxiety over earnings even after a big beat from Goldman Sachs. UK labor market data was mixed, as the ILO unemployment rate unexpectedly lifted, while wage growth came in higher than anticipated – The data suggests that the labor market is catching up with the recession. Mixed messages then for the BoE. China grew by 5.3% in Q1 however the numbers are causing a lot of doubts over sustainability of this growth. The bounce came in the first 2 months of the year. In March, growth in retail sales slumped and industrial output decelerated below forecasts, suggesting challenges on the horizon. Today: Germany ZEW, US housing starts & industrial production, Fed Vice Chair Philip Jefferson speech, BOE Bailey speech & IMF outlook. Earnings releases: Morgan Stanley and Bank of America. Financial Markets Performance:   The US Dollar rallied to 106.19 after testing 106.25, gaining against JPY and rising to 154.23, despite intervention risk. Yen traders started to see the 160 mark as the next Resistance level. Gold surged 1.76% to $2386 per ounce amid geopolitical risks and Chinese buying, even as the USD firmed and yields climbed. USOIL is flat at $85 per barrel. Market Trends:   Breaks of key technical levels exacerbated the sell off. Tech was the big loser with the NASDAQ plunging -1.79% to 15,885 while the S&P500 dropped -1.20% to 5061, with the Dow sliding -0.65% to 37,735. The S&P had the biggest 2-day sell off since March 2023. Nikkei and ASX lost -1.9% and -1.8% respectively, and the Hang Seng is down -2.1%. European bourses are down more than -1% and US futures are also in the red. CTA selling tsunami: “Just a few points lower CTAs will for the first time this year start selling in size, to add insult to injury, we are breaking major trend-lines in equities and the gamma stabilizer is totally gone.” Short term CTA threshold levels are kicking in big time according to GS. Medium term is 4873 (most important) while the long term level is at 4605. Always trade with strict risk management. Your capital is the single most important aspect of your trading business. Please note that times displayed based on local time zone and are from time of writing this report. Click HERE to access the full HFM Economic calendar. Want to learn to trade and analyse the markets? Join our webinars and get analysis and trading ideas combined with better understanding on how markets work. Click HERE to register for FREE! Click HERE to READ more Market news. Andria Pichidi Market Analyst HFMarkets Disclaimer: This material is provided as a general marketing communication for information purposes only and does not constitute an independent investment research. Nothing in this communication contains, or should be considered as containing, an investment advice or an investment recommendation or a solicitation for the purpose of buying or selling of any financial instrument. All information provided is gathered from reputable sources and any information containing an indication of past performance is not a guarantee or reliable indicator of future performance. Users acknowledge that any investment in FX and CFDs products is characterized by a certain degree of uncertainty and that any investment of this nature involves a high level of risk for which the users are solely responsible and liable. We assume no liability for any loss arising from any investment made based on the information provided in this communication. This communication must not be reproduced or further distributed without our prior written permission.
    • Date: 15th April 2024. Market News – Negative Reversion; Safe Havens Rally. Trading Leveraged Products is risky Economic Indicators & Central Banks:   Markets weigh risk of retaliation cycle in Middle East. Initially the retaliatory strike from Iran on Israel fostered a haven bid, into bonds, gold and other haven assets, as it threatens a wider regional conflict. However, this morning, Oil and Asian equity markets were muted as traders shrugged off fears of a war escalation in the Middle East. Iran said “the matter can be deemed concluded”, and President Joe Biden has called on Israel to exercise restraint following Iran’s drone and missile strike, as part of Washington’s efforts to ease tensions in the Middle East and minimize the likelihood of a widespread regional conflict. New US and UK sanctions banned deliveries of Russian supplies, i.e. key industrial metals, produced after midnight on Friday. Aluminum jumped 9.4%, nickel rose 8.8%, suggesting brokers are bracing for major supply chain disruption. Financial Markets Performance:   The USDIndex fell back from highs over 106 to currently 105.70. The Yen dip against USD to 153.85. USOIL settled lower at 84.50 per barrel and Gold is trading below session highs at currently $2357.92 per ounce. Copper, more liquid and driven by the global economy over recent weeks, was more subdued this morning. Currently at $4.3180. Market Trends:   Asian stock markets traded mixed, but European and US futures are slightly higher after a tough session on Friday and yields have picked up. Mainland China bourses outperformed overnight, after Beijing offered renewed regulatory support. The PBOC meanwhile left the 1-year MLF rate unchanged, while once again draining funds from the system. Nikkei slipped 1% to 39,114.19. On Friday, NASDAQ slumped -1.62% to 16,175, unwinding most of Thursday’s 1.68% jump to a new all-time high at 16,442. The S&P500 fell -1.46% and the Dow dropped 1.24%. Declines were broadbased with all 11 sectors of the S&P finishing in the red. JPMorgan Chase sank 6.5% despite reporting stronger profit in Q1. The nation’s largest bank gave a forecast for a key source of income this year that fell below Wall Street’s estimate, calling for only modest growth. Apple shipments drop by 10% in Q1. Always trade with strict risk management. Your capital is the single most important aspect of your trading business. Please note that times displayed based on local time zone and are from time of writing this report. Click HERE to access the full HFM Economic calendar. Want to learn to trade and analyse the markets? Join our webinars and get analysis and trading ideas combined with better understanding on how markets work. Click HERE to register for FREE! Click HERE to READ more Market news. Andria Pichidi Market Analyst HFMarkets Disclaimer: This material is provided as a general marketing communication for information purposes only and does not constitute an independent investment research. Nothing in this communication contains, or should be considered as containing, an investment advice or an investment recommendation or a solicitation for the purpose of buying or selling of any financial instrument. All information provided is gathered from reputable sources and any information containing an indication of past performance is not a guarantee or reliable indicator of future performance. Users acknowledge that any investment in FX and CFDs products is characterized by a certain degree of uncertainty and that any investment of this nature involves a high level of risk for which the users are solely responsible and liable. We assume no liability for any loss arising from any investment made based on the information provided in this communication. This communication must not be reproduced or further distributed without our prior written permission.
    • The morning of my last post I happened to glance over to the side and saw “...angst over the FOMC’s rate trajectory triggered a flight to safety, hence boosting the haven demand. “   http://www.traderslaboratory.com/forums/topic/21621-hfmarkets-hfmcom-market-analysis-services/page/17/?tab=comments#comment-228522   I reacted, but didn’t take time to  respond then... will now --- HFBlogNews, I don’t know if you are simply aggregating the chosen narratives for the day or if it’s your own reporting... either way - “flight to safety”????  haven ?????  Re: “safety  - ”Those ‘solid rocks’ are getting so fragile a hit from a dandelion blowball might shatter them... like now nobody wants to buy longer term new issues at these rates...yet the financial media still follows the scripts... The imagery they pound day in and day out makes it look like the Fed knows what they’re doing to help ‘us’... They do know what they’re doing - but it certainly is not to help ‘us’... and it is not to ‘control’ inflation... And at some point in the not too distant future, the interest due will eat a huge portion of the ‘revenue’ Re: “haven” The defaults are coming ...  The US will not be the first to default... but it will certainly not be the very last to default !! ...Enough casual anti-white racism for the day  ... just sayin’
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