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Is the Price to Volume Relationship All You Really Need to Trade?

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Hi guys,

 

I'm trying to develop a technical strategy to my trading and seem to be overwhelmed with all the different indicators...

 

Currently I use MACD, Price, and Volume....

 

Am I missing anything or is it naive to make calls on the Price to Volume relationship?

 

Would love some feedback from some of the pros

 

Thanks in advance!

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Hi guys,

 

I'm trying to develop a technical strategy to my trading and seem to be overwhelmed with all the different indicators...

 

Currently I use MACD, Price, and Volume....

 

Am I missing anything or is it naive to make calls on the Price to Volume relationship?

 

Would love some feedback from some of the pros

 

Thanks in advance!

 

The market is generous, it beams tons of signals about its intention to all the traders around the world without discrimination.

 

Some traders can see signals in price,

Some traders can see signals in volume,

Some traders can see signals in volatilities,

Some traders can see signals in spreads,

Some traders can see signals in momentum,

Some traders can see signals in bid and ask,

Some traders can see signals in blocks,

Some traders can see signals in foot prints,

Some traders can see signals in delta,

Some traders can see signals in profile,

Some traders can see signals in time,

Some traders can see signals in ticker,

Some traders can see signals in harmonics,

Some traders can see signals in averages,

Some traders can see signals in stochastics,

Some traders can see signals in relativities,

Some traders can see signals in auctions,

Some traders can see signals in astrology...

 

don't worry about what other people see,

you have to have your own theory of the market:

you have to have your own theory of why the market goes up, and

you have to have your own theory of why the market goes down.

 

Your analysis is based on your theory.

 

So, my question is, what is your theory?

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Yes, the price:volume relationship is all you really need to trade. You don't even need the MACD, much less any of the hundreds of indicators available.

 

Trading in this manner, however, is not for everyone. If you think you're cut out for it, see Trading By Price.

 

Db

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I nominate Tams post for Post of the Month... and it's in the running for Post of the Year!

 

... will quote you when someone asks me what I mean by "Find your own way!"

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Yes, the price:volume relationship is all you really need to trade. You don't even need the MACD, much less any of the hundreds of indicators available.

 

Trading in this manner, however, is not for everyone. If you think you're cut out for it, see Trading By Price.

 

Db

 

Hi DB,

 

I have read your post regarding Trading By Price and in it you even disregard Volume Bars....

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but the strategy you are advocating is more or less to develop Support and Resistance Lines when the price is consolidating and making a decision from there...?

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The market is generous, it beams tons of signals about its intention to all the traders around the world without discrimination.

 

Some traders can see signals in price,

Some traders can see signals in volume,

Some traders can see signals in volatilities,

Some traders can see signals in spreads,

Some traders can see signals in momentum,

Some traders can see signals in bid and ask,

Some traders can see signals in blocks,

Some traders can see signals in foot prints,

Some traders can see signals in delta,

Some traders can see signals in profile,

Some traders can see signals in time,

Some traders can see signals in ticker,

Some traders can see signals in harmonics,

Some traders can see signals in averages,

Some traders can see signals in stochastics,

Some traders can see signals in relativities,

Some traders can see signals in auctions,

Some traders can see signals in astrology...

 

don't worry about what other people see,

you have to have your own theory of the market:

you have to have your own theory of why the market goes up, and

you have to have your own theory of why the market goes down.

 

Your analysis is based on your theory.

 

So, my question is, what is your theory?

 

Thanks for the reply Tams

 

My theory,

 

The trend is your friend

 

Buy high, sell higher,

 

Sell low, buy lower

 

I can read the instruments I choose to follow, my problem is developing my methodology. Every where i read says keep things simple.

 

I have done research on stocastics and they work for some people and don't work for others

 

I am trying to make things as simple as possible hence why i like to assess the price to volume relationship. Are there any tips you can provide me with in regards to developing a methodology...

 

What does your methodology consist of.

 

I understand that ultimately I am in charge of developing my own strategy and making my own decisions and having my own view on the market and the price action of a stock; however, as someone who is more or less a rookie in technical analysis.... it is hard to get to your destination with out a map

 

I am attempting to develop my map, could you help?

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Hi DB,

 

I have read your post regarding Trading By Price and in it you even disregard Volume Bars....

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but the strategy you are advocating is more or less to develop Support and Resistance Lines when the price is consolidating and making a decision from there...?

 

As the years roll by, I try to find ways of making this simpler. Unfortunately, as the years roll by, more and more beginners are -- shall we say -- "muddied" by an ever-increasing number of vendors and their nonsense. Once in a great while, I'll find somebody who's just starting out. In that case, the process seems to take no time at all. But more often the beginner has so much to unlearn that the process seems to take forever.

 

In the case of volume, yes, it is important. But so much bad information is out there regarding volume that trying to correct the errors is a task in itself. And so many beginners think that Forex is the greatest thing since store-bought soap, and Forex doesn't have volume, that leaving volume off entirely is a lot less trouble and just might make things clearer.

 

So, in a word, yes. If price is in a trading range, understand the dynamics of the range. If it isn't, understand the dynamics of trend. Volume can be helpful if you understand it. But if you hold a lot of wrong-headed notions about it, it's best to just set it aside and focus on price. Eventually, you'll be able to include volume again and you'll think "Oh yeah"...

 

And, of course, the less said about indicators and Fib and Pivot Points and so forth, the better.

 

Db

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As the years roll by, I try to find ways of making this simpler. Unfortunately, as the years roll by, more and more beginners are -- shall we say -- "muddied" by an ever-increasing number of vendors and their nonsense. Once in a great while, I'll find somebody who's just starting out. In that case, the process seems to take no time at all. But more often the beginner has so much to unlearn that the process seems to take forever.

 

In the case of volume, yes, it is important. But so much bad information is out there regarding volume that trying to correct the errors is a task in itself. And so many beginners think that Forex is the greatest thing since store-bought soap, and Forex doesn't have volume, that leaving volume off entirely is a lot less trouble and just might make things clearer.

 

So, in a word, yes. If price is in a trading range, understand the dynamics of the range. If it isn't, understand the dynamics of trend. Volume can be helpful if you understand it. But if you hold a lot of wrong-headed notions about it, it's best to just set it aside and focus on price. Eventually, you'll be able to include volume again and you'll think "Oh yeah"...

 

And, of course, the less said about indicators and Fib and Pivot Points and so forth, the better.

 

Db

 

DB what are your thoughts on candle stick patterns.,..?

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Most who are working the simple <-> complex axis are really attempting to move towards more certainty on the certainty <-> uncertainty axis

 

But - any certainty in trading is going to be low–grade (and also short lived) certainty

so … :"Simple" ? Forget about it!

 

…unless you don’t seek ANY adaptivity in your trading

To be adaptive, consider that you may have to turn towards making your trading as complex as it needs to be instead of orienting to and pushing towards more ‘simplicity’

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Most who are working the simple <-> complex axis are really attempting to move towards more certainty on the certainty <-> uncertainty axis

 

But - any certainty in trading is going to be low–grade (and also short lived) certainty

so … :"Simple" ? Forget about it!

 

…unless you don’t seek ANY adaptivity in your trading

To be adaptive, consider that you may have to turn towards making your trading as complex as it needs to be instead of orienting to and pushing towards more ‘simplicity’

 

There is no certainty in the market. But that does not mean that it must be complex by default.

 

Db

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Most who are working the simple <-> complex axis are really attempting to move towards more certainty on the certainty <-> uncertainty axis

 

But - any certainty in trading is going to be low–grade (and also short lived) certainty

so … :"Simple" ? Forget about it!

 

…unless you don’t seek ANY adaptivity in your trading

To be adaptive, consider that you may have to turn towards making your trading as complex as it needs to be instead of orienting to and pushing towards more ‘simplicity’

 

Alright zdo....

 

your advice is sage but you still havn't provided me with any advice....

 

As i said earlier ultimately i make my own choices and decisions but one of the purposes of why i started this thread was to generate some insight of price to volume and what people use.

 

What does your trading methodology consist of?

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Emini Trading – Free Emini Trading Indicators from Emini-Watch.com

 

Try downloading the Better Volume Indicator from MT4 at Emini Watch.

This will give you the Volume Spread Analysis, which is basically relative volume. The regular volume indicators are useless. The better volume indicator gives you the Moving average of the volume for the last 100 days ( I use 22 days) You can see that when the volume is above the MA the market usually makes big moves, below and it chops.

 

Hope this helps.

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Thanks for the reply Tams

 

My theory,

 

The trend is your friend

 

Buy high, sell higher,

 

Sell low, buy lower

 

...

 

I am attempting to develop my map, could you help?

 

 

that's not your theory,

 

that's your strategy.

 

 

You apply your strategy to your theory.

 

before you can be profitable,

you have to know what you are applying your strategy to.

Otherwise you are just trading in random.

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your advice is sage but you still havn't provided me with any advice....

 

 

That is a perfect description of a poster over on TradersLaboratory... I think his user name is zdo :rofl:

 

 

 

What does your trading methodology consist of?

 

My methodology is centered in MarketTyping the auctions first then, off that typing, dynamically applying a weighted array of 12 ( dumb, but not necessarily simple) systems… opposite of developing a system then discovering ‘filters’ to improve its performance … and another single word would require a book …

If we aren't in the same book, there isn't much sense in trying to get on the same page as someone ie I rarely discuss ‘edges’ with other traders – even face to face. If I ask someone a question about a method, most of the time they don’t have an answer that really goes to what I was asking… and typically when I am asked a question, any insights I do have seem to go whizzing off into space… There are many other ways to connect with someone else besides trying to pump them with my system…

I’ll just stick with “ find your own way”

 

Specific to “price to volume and what people use” – I only use volume in certain specific market conditions and it turns out mostly for exits in ‘OB’ or ‘OS’ situations. Except for certain block trade setups (seeUrmaBlume, etc) and also in a couple of isolated parabolic type exceptions , (and ironically, in relation to all the volume content in the trading community) I get more traction out of an ’indicator’ utilizing volume / flow of market orders than I do straight up volume, delta’s, book, or tape.

 

…and fwiw, I find nothing ‘wrong’ with classic volume work or volume oriented methods like VSA or even Hershey… but just am not personally inclined to use them day in and day out…

 

Maybe DBP can provide you some links to his OLDER material about using volume for entry at his S’s and R’s. it’s different from the methods that use Vol. all the time…

( btw, if I remember correctly he seemed to be trying to ‘stay in’ until next signif S or R was reached … if I were using that I would be less ‘ambitious’ with my targets… will leave it to him to add, correct, or transform as needed…)

 

What info do (or did) you derive from MACD?

Context?

Content?

 

All the best,

 

zdo

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TRO, you are a boss!

 

While TRO and I don't exactly see eye to eye on the indicator thing, I find it hard to disagree with anything in the first post to his thread. Practical advice is hard to come by on message boards, while theory abounds.

 

TRO is a nice counterpoint to all the hemming and hawing and waffling, even if you don't buy into the indicators.

 

You might also be interested in the Reading Charts in Real Time thread, another no-bullshit contribution.

 

Db

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Hi guys,

 

I'm trying to develop a technical strategy to my trading and seem to be overwhelmed with all the different indicators...

 

Currently I use MACD, Price, and Volume....

 

Am I missing anything or is it naive to make calls on the Price to Volume relationship?

 

Would love some feedback from some of the pros

 

Thanks in advance!

 

You are missing something that no one has mentioned in the posts so far. Ill get to that in a minute.

 

I don't use MACD or any other lagging math based indicators. Do they work??? Sure . Im not here to argue that. I bet there are tons of people making money with what ever I think is lagging or what not. You mentioned price and volume and this is what keyed me into this post. If you look at on a given day and put the volume into a profile you will get a bell curve. No surprise this method is called "volume profile." What you will notice is that most of the volume will be at a particular price and by volume profile users this is a magnet and usually not seen as an advantageous place to trade. Know as the VPOC. IMO you don't want to trade were every one is trading. You don't want to trade where lots of short term traders are trading either.

 

What you are missing is what you do want is to figure out where the institutions are trading and trade with them. Why? Because they move the market. That is why. Does this mean you should listen to Ben on the Squack and just go short when you hear Goldman getting short? NO But this is what volume is tipping you off to . You want to know what price did at certain prices and look to see if buyers or sellers are stepping in at that price then hit the bid or lift the offer and go. These should be predetermined price levels with obvious areas right behind them for failures.

 

Honestly there really isn't anything else but volume, price, and time. And maybe the FED but thats a different post for a different thread.

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While TRO and I don't exactly see eye to eye on the indicator thing, I find it hard to disagree with anything in the first post to his thread. Practical advice is hard to come by on message boards, while theory abounds.

 

TRO is a nice counterpoint to all the hemming and hawing and waffling, even if you don't buy into the indicators.

 

You might also be interested in the Reading Charts in Real Time thread, another no-bullshit contribution.

 

Db

 

DB,

 

What indicators do you trade with/ what indicators would you recommend?

 

Obviously this is subjective to each individual but I am curious to hear your insight on this.

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You are missing something that no one has mentioned in the posts so far. Ill get to that in a minute.

 

I don't use MACD or any other lagging math based indicators. Do they work??? Sure . Im not here to argue that. I bet there are tons of people making money with what ever I think is lagging or what not. You mentioned price and volume and this is what keyed me into this post. If you look at on a given day and put the volume into a profile you will get a bell curve. No surprise this method is called "volume profile." What you will notice is that most of the volume will be at a particular price and by volume profile users this is a magnet and usually not seen as an advantageous place to trade. Know as the VPOC. IMO you don't want to trade were every one is trading. You don't want to trade where lots of short term traders are trading either.

 

What you are missing is what you do want is to figure out where the institutions are trading and trade with them. Why? Because they move the market. That is why. Does this mean you should listen to Ben on the Squack and just go short when you hear Goldman getting short? NO But this is what volume is tipping you off to . You want to know what price did at certain prices and look to see if buyers or sellers are stepping in at that price then hit the bid or lift the offer and go. These should be predetermined price levels with obvious areas right behind them for failures.

 

Honestly there really isn't anything else but volume, price, and time. And maybe the FED but thats a different post for a different thread.

 

Colonel B,

 

Thank you for your insight!

 

I'm not sure if you use think or swim but do you know if it is equppied with the VPOC? If not what to you recommend for someone to use this tool?

 

 

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What you are missing is what you do want is to figure out where the institutions are trading and trade with them. Why? Because they move the market. That is why"

 

How do you determine/grasp where institutions are trading? Volume spikes?

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That is a perfect description of a poster over on TradersLaboratory... I think his user name is zdo :rofl:

 

 

 

 

 

My methodology is centered in MarketTyping the auctions first then, off that typing, dynamically applying a weighted array of 12 ( dumb, but not necessarily simple) systems… opposite of developing a system then discovering ‘filters’ to improve its performance … and another single word would require a book …

If we aren't in the same book, there isn't much sense in trying to get on the same page as someone ie I rarely discuss ‘edges’ with other traders – even face to face. If I ask someone a question about a method, most of the time they don’t have an answer that really goes to what I was asking… and typically when I am asked a question, any insights I do have seem to go whizzing off into space… There are many other ways to connect with someone else besides trying to pump them with my system…

I’ll just stick with “ find your own way”

 

Specific to “price to volume and what people use” – I only use volume in certain specific market conditions and it turns out mostly for exits in ‘OB’ or ‘OS’ situations. Except for certain block trade setups (seeUrmaBlume, etc) and also in a couple of isolated parabolic type exceptions , (and ironically, in relation to all the volume content in the trading community) I get more traction out of an ’indicator’ utilizing volume / flow of market orders than I do straight up volume, delta’s, book, or tape.

 

…and fwiw, I find nothing ‘wrong’ with classic volume work or volume oriented methods like VSA or even Hershey… but just am not personally inclined to use them day in and day out…

 

Maybe DBP can provide you some links to his OLDER material about using volume for entry at his S’s and R’s. it’s different from the methods that use Vol. all the time…

( btw, if I remember correctly he seemed to be trying to ‘stay in’ until next signif S or R was reached … if I were using that I would be less ‘ambitious’ with my targets… will leave it to him to add, correct, or transform as needed…)

 

What info do (or did) you derive from MACD?

Context?

Content?

 

All the best,

 

zdo

 

ZDO. thank you for your feedback!

 

In regards to MACD, I am still learning however, what I have derived from MACD as a leading indicator is this.

 

When I track a stock or future, I follow it on the 1 minute, 5 minute and 15 minute charts.

 

MACD paints a different picture for all three of these time frames; however, I use it in conjunction with my insight of the stock/future and its behavior.

 

The biggest take away I have derived from it is, Buy when it dips below the 200 MA

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DB,

 

What indicators do you trade with/ what indicators would you recommend?

 

Obviously this is subjective to each individual but I am curious to hear your insight on this.

 

I don't use any. Just support/resistance, price/volume, trend/range. No insight here. I just don't see the point of them since they don't tell me anything I don't already know from following price.

 

This is largely an outgrowth of auction market theory, which predates Market Profile, which is, I believe, what Colonel B is referring to. Click the link if you're interested. You'll also learn how to find the "VPOC" easily, without incurring any expense.

 

Db

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The biggest take away I have derived from it is, Buy when it dips below the 200 MA
200 MA of price or using 200MA as the slow average?

 

...MACD as a leading indicator...

“leading” ??? Is convergence or divergence of two xAverages – relative to most recent extreme (hook) or contacts - really “leading” ?

 

I follow it on the 1 minute, 5 minute and 15 minute charts.

How many different timeframe combinations have you explored?

Tried ~3 min, ~15 min, ~60 min ?

Have you considered that a ~7 minute chart might replace all three? :)

(:haha:polarity– simultaneously joshing you and being serious here :missy:)

 

 

 

Some big picture comments -

Just by following the links and hints others are providing you herein, you are moving away from the 'simple'. In line with some others' recent posts (vpoc, etc), traders must learn to percieve, think, act/react differently at price (and value, etc) extremes than they do when price is 'in the middle'. Each individual will have more strengths in trading one than the other.

I'm bringing this up largely because "when it dips below the 200" is oriented towards the 'middle' type trades and as you naturally explore and experiment it is important to start building awareness of the distinct approaches required and ... awareness of how you personally percieve, think, act/react differently at price (and value, etc) extremes than you do when price is 'in the middle' - so that you can be clearer and more open to what your options and alternatives are.

 

By far the most common coping mech. is to specialize in one of them and 'sit out' the other. .. and I'm sticking with the term "coping mechanism" - as in "settling" - because in my own case and in every case in working with others where we've gotten to sufficient depth with it, it is suboptimal adaptations post - trauma (not nec extreme trauma) ie subsequent 'decisions of defeat', and not frustrations or lack of aptitudes, that ultimately precludes one from developing the right 'mindsets' (for sake of brevity) and 'strategies' for both the extremes and the middles (and other 'types' too)

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    • Date: 17th April 2024. Market News – Appetite for risk-taking remains weak. Economic Indicators & Central Banks:   Stocks, Treasury yields and US Dollar stay firmed. Fed Chair Powell added to the recent sell off. His slightly more hawkish tone further priced out chances for any imminent action and the timing of a cut was pushed out further. He suggested if higher inflation does persist, the Fed will hold rates steady “for as long as needed.” Implied Fed Fund: There remains no real chance for a move on May 1 and at their intraday highs the June implied funds rate future showed only 5 bps, while July reflected only 10 bps. And a full 25 bps was not priced in until November, with 38 bps in cuts seen for 2024. US & EU Economies Diverging: Lagarde says ECB is moving toward rate cuts – if there are no major shocks. UK March CPI inflation falls less than expected. Output price inflation has started to nudge higher, despite another decline in input prices. Together with yesterday’s higher than expected wage numbers, the data will add to the arguments of the hawks at the BoE, which remain very reluctant to contemplate rate cuts. Canada CPI rose 0.6% in March, double the 0.3% February increase BUT core eased. The doors are still open for a possible cut at the next BoC meeting on June 5. IMF revised up its global growth forecast for 2024 with inflation easing, in its new World Economic Outlook. This is consistent with a global soft landing, according to the report. Financial Markets Performance:   USDJPY also inched up to 154.67 on expectations the BoJ will remain accommodative and as the market challenges a perceived 155 red line for MoF intervention. USOIL prices slipped -0.15% to $84.20 per barrel. Gold rose 0.24% to $2389.11 per ounce, a new record closing high as geopolitical risks overshadowed the impacts of rising rates and the stronger dollar. Market Trends:   Wall Street waffled either side of unchanged on the day amid dimming rate cut potential, rising yields, and earnings. The major indexes closed mixed with the Dow up 0.17%, while the S&P500 and NASDAQ lost -0.21% and -0.12%, respectively. Asian stock markets mostly corrected again, with Japanese bourses underperforming and the Nikkei down -1.3%. Mainland China bourses were a notable exception and the CSI 300 rallied 1.4%, but the MSCI Asia Pacific index came close to erasing the gains for this year. Always trade with strict risk management. Your capital is the single most important aspect of your trading business. Please note that times displayed based on local time zone and are from time of writing this report. Click HERE to access the full HFM Economic calendar. Want to learn to trade and analyse the markets? Join our webinars and get analysis and trading ideas combined with better understanding on how markets work. Click HERE to register for FREE! Click HERE to READ more Market news. Andria Pichidi Market Analyst HFMarkets Disclaimer: This material is provided as a general marketing communication for information purposes only and does not constitute an independent investment research. Nothing in this communication contains, or should be considered as containing, an investment advice or an investment recommendation or a solicitation for the purpose of buying or selling of any financial instrument. All information provided is gathered from reputable sources and any information containing an indication of past performance is not a guarantee or reliable indicator of future performance. Users acknowledge that any investment in FX and CFDs products is characterized by a certain degree of uncertainty and that any investment of this nature involves a high level of risk for which the users are solely responsible and liable. We assume no liability for any loss arising from any investment made based on the information provided in this communication. This communication must not be reproduced or further distributed without our prior written permission.vvvvvvv
    • Date: 16th April 2024. Market News – Stocks and currencies sell off; USD up. Economic Indicators & Central Banks:   Stocks and currencies sell off, while the US Dollar picks up haven flows. Treasuries yields spiked again to fresh 2024 peaks before paring losses into the close, post, the stronger than expected retail sales eliciting a broad sell off in the markets. Rates surged as the data pushed rate cut bets further into the future with July now less than a 50-50 chance. Wall Street finished with steep declines led by tech. Stocks opened in the green on a relief trade after Israel repulsed the well advertised attack from Iran on Sunday. But equities turned sharply lower and extended last week’s declines amid the rise in yields. Investor concerns were intensified as Israel threatened retaliation. There’s growing anxiety over earnings even after a big beat from Goldman Sachs. UK labor market data was mixed, as the ILO unemployment rate unexpectedly lifted, while wage growth came in higher than anticipated – The data suggests that the labor market is catching up with the recession. Mixed messages then for the BoE. China grew by 5.3% in Q1 however the numbers are causing a lot of doubts over sustainability of this growth. The bounce came in the first 2 months of the year. In March, growth in retail sales slumped and industrial output decelerated below forecasts, suggesting challenges on the horizon. Today: Germany ZEW, US housing starts & industrial production, Fed Vice Chair Philip Jefferson speech, BOE Bailey speech & IMF outlook. Earnings releases: Morgan Stanley and Bank of America. Financial Markets Performance:   The US Dollar rallied to 106.19 after testing 106.25, gaining against JPY and rising to 154.23, despite intervention risk. Yen traders started to see the 160 mark as the next Resistance level. Gold surged 1.76% to $2386 per ounce amid geopolitical risks and Chinese buying, even as the USD firmed and yields climbed. USOIL is flat at $85 per barrel. Market Trends:   Breaks of key technical levels exacerbated the sell off. Tech was the big loser with the NASDAQ plunging -1.79% to 15,885 while the S&P500 dropped -1.20% to 5061, with the Dow sliding -0.65% to 37,735. The S&P had the biggest 2-day sell off since March 2023. Nikkei and ASX lost -1.9% and -1.8% respectively, and the Hang Seng is down -2.1%. European bourses are down more than -1% and US futures are also in the red. CTA selling tsunami: “Just a few points lower CTAs will for the first time this year start selling in size, to add insult to injury, we are breaking major trend-lines in equities and the gamma stabilizer is totally gone.” Short term CTA threshold levels are kicking in big time according to GS. Medium term is 4873 (most important) while the long term level is at 4605. Always trade with strict risk management. Your capital is the single most important aspect of your trading business. Please note that times displayed based on local time zone and are from time of writing this report. Click HERE to access the full HFM Economic calendar. Want to learn to trade and analyse the markets? Join our webinars and get analysis and trading ideas combined with better understanding on how markets work. Click HERE to register for FREE! Click HERE to READ more Market news. Andria Pichidi Market Analyst HFMarkets Disclaimer: This material is provided as a general marketing communication for information purposes only and does not constitute an independent investment research. Nothing in this communication contains, or should be considered as containing, an investment advice or an investment recommendation or a solicitation for the purpose of buying or selling of any financial instrument. All information provided is gathered from reputable sources and any information containing an indication of past performance is not a guarantee or reliable indicator of future performance. Users acknowledge that any investment in FX and CFDs products is characterized by a certain degree of uncertainty and that any investment of this nature involves a high level of risk for which the users are solely responsible and liable. We assume no liability for any loss arising from any investment made based on the information provided in this communication. This communication must not be reproduced or further distributed without our prior written permission.
    • Date: 15th April 2024. Market News – Negative Reversion; Safe Havens Rally. Trading Leveraged Products is risky Economic Indicators & Central Banks:   Markets weigh risk of retaliation cycle in Middle East. Initially the retaliatory strike from Iran on Israel fostered a haven bid, into bonds, gold and other haven assets, as it threatens a wider regional conflict. However, this morning, Oil and Asian equity markets were muted as traders shrugged off fears of a war escalation in the Middle East. Iran said “the matter can be deemed concluded”, and President Joe Biden has called on Israel to exercise restraint following Iran’s drone and missile strike, as part of Washington’s efforts to ease tensions in the Middle East and minimize the likelihood of a widespread regional conflict. New US and UK sanctions banned deliveries of Russian supplies, i.e. key industrial metals, produced after midnight on Friday. Aluminum jumped 9.4%, nickel rose 8.8%, suggesting brokers are bracing for major supply chain disruption. Financial Markets Performance:   The USDIndex fell back from highs over 106 to currently 105.70. The Yen dip against USD to 153.85. USOIL settled lower at 84.50 per barrel and Gold is trading below session highs at currently $2357.92 per ounce. Copper, more liquid and driven by the global economy over recent weeks, was more subdued this morning. Currently at $4.3180. Market Trends:   Asian stock markets traded mixed, but European and US futures are slightly higher after a tough session on Friday and yields have picked up. Mainland China bourses outperformed overnight, after Beijing offered renewed regulatory support. The PBOC meanwhile left the 1-year MLF rate unchanged, while once again draining funds from the system. Nikkei slipped 1% to 39,114.19. On Friday, NASDAQ slumped -1.62% to 16,175, unwinding most of Thursday’s 1.68% jump to a new all-time high at 16,442. The S&P500 fell -1.46% and the Dow dropped 1.24%. Declines were broadbased with all 11 sectors of the S&P finishing in the red. JPMorgan Chase sank 6.5% despite reporting stronger profit in Q1. The nation’s largest bank gave a forecast for a key source of income this year that fell below Wall Street’s estimate, calling for only modest growth. Apple shipments drop by 10% in Q1. Always trade with strict risk management. Your capital is the single most important aspect of your trading business. Please note that times displayed based on local time zone and are from time of writing this report. Click HERE to access the full HFM Economic calendar. Want to learn to trade and analyse the markets? Join our webinars and get analysis and trading ideas combined with better understanding on how markets work. Click HERE to register for FREE! Click HERE to READ more Market news. Andria Pichidi Market Analyst HFMarkets Disclaimer: This material is provided as a general marketing communication for information purposes only and does not constitute an independent investment research. Nothing in this communication contains, or should be considered as containing, an investment advice or an investment recommendation or a solicitation for the purpose of buying or selling of any financial instrument. All information provided is gathered from reputable sources and any information containing an indication of past performance is not a guarantee or reliable indicator of future performance. Users acknowledge that any investment in FX and CFDs products is characterized by a certain degree of uncertainty and that any investment of this nature involves a high level of risk for which the users are solely responsible and liable. We assume no liability for any loss arising from any investment made based on the information provided in this communication. This communication must not be reproduced or further distributed without our prior written permission.
    • The morning of my last post I happened to glance over to the side and saw “...angst over the FOMC’s rate trajectory triggered a flight to safety, hence boosting the haven demand. “   http://www.traderslaboratory.com/forums/topic/21621-hfmarkets-hfmcom-market-analysis-services/page/17/?tab=comments#comment-228522   I reacted, but didn’t take time to  respond then... will now --- HFBlogNews, I don’t know if you are simply aggregating the chosen narratives for the day or if it’s your own reporting... either way - “flight to safety”????  haven ?????  Re: “safety  - ”Those ‘solid rocks’ are getting so fragile a hit from a dandelion blowball might shatter them... like now nobody wants to buy longer term new issues at these rates...yet the financial media still follows the scripts... The imagery they pound day in and day out makes it look like the Fed knows what they’re doing to help ‘us’... They do know what they’re doing - but it certainly is not to help ‘us’... and it is not to ‘control’ inflation... And at some point in the not too distant future, the interest due will eat a huge portion of the ‘revenue’ Re: “haven” The defaults are coming ...  The US will not be the first to default... but it will certainly not be the very last to default !! ...Enough casual anti-white racism for the day  ... just sayin’
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