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Market Manipulation

By wanr, in General Trading

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Jleon    10

Jleon
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I keep hearing about alledged market manipulations.

 

How do they exactly do that? It is because of the size of the orders that can drive the market up or down? Is this with HFT? Who manipulates the market? Big banks and hedge funds or does it require some kind of cooperation between big players?

 

Where can I know more about that?

 

If you want to learn more about market manipulation you should open a TT Xtrader DOM and stare at it for 5-6 months 6.5 hours a day. At the end of 6 months you should know exactly what MM is. If your not willing to put in that kind of time you will most likely never understand it. Have a good one...

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Jleon    10

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people who talks market manipulation and UFO kinda things never have money for 6 months of TT subscription in first place...

 

Most do but they end up blowing it out there account in the first 6months and give up.... Better to start strong and right from the get go.

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izzahmu    10

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maxima wants evidence. I provided you maxima with a link to a USA congress document. This document shows that the FED paid out $16 trillion to banks. Do you get that $16 trillion (trillion has 12 0's like this 16,000,000,000,000) to banks and no one in the government talked about it. They talked about tarp which was 700 billion to no end.

 

So do you consider $16 trillion manipulative to markets. If so what's the limit why would they stop at anything?

And please answer that or stop talking, because what you are pushing around not even a child trader would believe. And by the way how is your HFT doing?? do the aliens operate it? I heard UFOs have nice flat screens.

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xkr1962    10

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maxima wants evidence. I provided you maxima with a link to a USA congress document. This document shows that the FED paid out $16 trillion to banks. Do you get that $16 trillion (trillion has 12 0's like this 16,000,000,000,000) to banks and no one in the government talked about it. They talked about tarp which was 700 billion to no end.

 

So do you consider $16 trillion manipulative to markets. If so what's the limit why would they stop at anything?

And please answer that or stop talking, because what you are pushing around not even a child trader would believe. And by the way how is your HFT doing?? do the aliens operate it? I heard UFOs have nice flat screens.

 

Haha, TL is kindergarten for traders.

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Ingot54    13

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The HFT's are getting information before everyone else can get it. The exchanges are knowingly giving the information to HFT earlier than everyone else is getting it.The exchanges understand how important early information is because they make certain that the hft's get the data at the same time as each other. They do thinks like make sure that the data cable that reaches you is the same length as the cable that reaches me if we are both HFTs who pay for the advantage to make sure that neither you nor I have an advantage over the other.

 

The trading style they use is front running and front running is illegal.

normally, front running is done inside a brokerage firm. This time it is happening to the brokerage fim before it enters the brokerage firm.

 

Looks like you are vindicated in your position on front-running and HFT MM.

 

While the SEC is only picking the low-hanging fruit on this occasion, they truly

lack the balls to go after the big guys at the top of the tree.

 

"A New York-based brokerage allowed overseas clients

to run a scheme aimed at distorting stock prices by rapidly

cancelling orders, according to the US Securities and Exchange

Commission." ... read more ...

 

SEC Says New York Firm Allowed High-Speed Stock Manipulation - Bloomberg

 

Clearly those of us on this thread who believe in market manipulation are not alone ...

 

Matt Taibbi, Eliot Spitzer Discuss Eric Holder's Failure | Matt Taibbi | Rolling Stone

 

I don't agree that Eric Holder has no balls ... he clearly is getting a small

amount of testerone from somewhere, but it may be from one ball, and

that one may be very small. As the top prosecutor in the USA, he has failed

to act on many issues of corruption, according to these articles.

 

No satisfactory explanation has been forthcoming to this moment, and I

am not going to hang by a rope until we get one.

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MightyMouse    12

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Looks like you are vindicated in your position on front-running and HFT MM.

 

While the SEC is only picking the low-hanging fruit on this occasion, they truly

lack the balls to go after the big guys at the top of the tree.

 

"A New York-based brokerage allowed overseas clients

to run a scheme aimed at distorting stock prices by rapidly

cancelling orders, according to the US Securities and Exchange

Commission." ... read more ...

 

SEC Says New York Firm Allowed High-Speed Stock Manipulation - Bloomberg

 

Clearly those of us on this thread who believe in market manipulation are not alone ...

 

Matt Taibbi, Eliot Spitzer Discuss Eric Holder's Failure | Matt Taibbi | Rolling Stone

 

I don't agree that Eric Holder has no balls ... he clearly is getting a small

amount of testerone from somewhere, but it may be from one ball, and

that one may be very small. As the top prosecutor in the USA, he has failed

to act on many issues of corruption, according to these articles.

 

No satisfactory explanation has been forthcoming to this moment, and I

am not going to hang by a rope until we get one.

 

Cheating has an appeal until you get caught.

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