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Walter`s Forex "Trend Trades"

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So how are we going so far today with the "VMAR Icon" trades... lets see 3 trades did follow real time 2nd and 3rd...

 

first the setupings on 5 min :

 

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then the entries (classic definition) :

 

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and the exiting... trade 2 was a stop as it crossed back darkgreen line on 1 min... now the third... its still running ¡¡ thanks to 5 min trail...

 

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once again using 5 min for exits gives us a much better RRR... cheers Walter.

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Here's a chart of this technique applied to today's GBP/USD action. If you wait for the candle to close after the crossover, you would have got into these trades very late and probably would have taken a loss or breakeven at best on all of them. I used arrows for the "best case scenario" trades. These are 3 trades that I would actually have taken because the signals occurred at a time of day when forex is tradeable. I might even have been chopped out a couple of times in between trades 2 and 3. Have I misinterpreted this technique or does it not work very well on GBP/USD or was it just because today's action was very choppy?

 

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Here's a chart of this technique applied to today's GBP/USD action. If you wait for the candle to close after the crossover, you would have got into these trades very late and probably would have taken a loss or breakeven at best on all of them. I used arrows for the "best case scenario" trades. These are 3 trades that I would actually have taken because the signals occurred at a time of day when forex is tradeable. I might even have been chopped out a couple of times in between trades 2 and 3. Have I misinterpreted this technique or does it not work very well on GBP/USD or was it just because today's action was very choppy?

 

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the crossover of the black line to the darkgreen line is used on the 1 minute chart... on this 5 min chart we would be looking for the icons... in that pattern context there is good chance that the crossings on the 1 min will do work...

 

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Hope that brings some light... cheers Walter.

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Thanks for that walter. It's starting to make sense now. It's a great thread but your explanations are a little long-winded if you don't mind me saying so it's taking me a while to work out what this method is all about. Here I'll try to explain it as succinctly as possible:

 

1) Identify the trend using a 5 minute chart. If the black line is above the magenta line = up trend. If the black line is below the magenta line = down trend. Black line should be sloping, not horizontal.

2) Expanding rainbow = strengthening trend. Contracting rainbow = weakening trend.

3) Black line pauses after it crosses magenta line. If there is subsequent continuation = good trade may follow.

4) Complete rainbow above magenta line = very strong up trend. Complete rainbow below magenta line = very strong down trend.

5) If all the above are met and it looks perfect = possible trend exhaustion.

 

6) Time entry using a 1 minute chart. Wait for pullback ("icon") then when black line crosses green line = enter trade. (Not sure what the relevance of the rainbow is here).

 

7) Scalper exit when bar gets inside the rainbow crossing the black line or trader exit when black line crosses green line.

 

Is that a fair summary?

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Thanks for that walter. It's starting to make sense now. It's a great thread but your explanations are a little long-winded if you don't mind me saying so it's taking me a while to work out what this method is all about. Here I'll try to explain it as succinctly as possible:

 

1) Identify the trend using a 5 minute chart. If the black line is above the magenta line = up trend. If the black line is below the magenta line = down trend. Black line should be sloping, not horizontal.

2) Expanding rainbow = strengthening trend. Contracting rainbow = weakening trend.

3) Black line pauses after it crosses magenta line. If there is subsequent continuation = good trade may follow.

4) Complete rainbow above magenta line = very strong up trend. Complete rainbow below magenta line = very strong down trend.

5) If all the above are met and it looks perfect = possible trend exhaustion.

 

6) Time entry using a 1 minute chart. Wait for pullback ("icon") then when black line crosses green line = enter trade. (Not sure what the relevance of the rainbow is here).

 

7) Scalper exit when bar gets inside the rainbow crossing the black line or trader exit when black line crosses green line.

 

Is that a fair summary?

 

it would be... but there are some things that we must add here and is the fact that not all this readings are neccesary focused into the setuping process... thats why the point 6 is more related to the management of an open trade and not the opening

 

Normally in the case of the icon you will anticipate all the momentum conditions to unfold somehow after you are in the trade, if they do, they will give you confidence to stay in the trade...

 

point 7 has also a new alternative on the 5 minute chart( bars crossing lime thick line) wich I believe is giving the RRR we needed...

 

also the laddering concept is laid out here but its not much used in relation to the icon trade... on the new paralel thread this concept may become more used... thanks notouch, I like to get really inside the intrinsic concepts... what I would like to know is if you grasped all the power behind the "horizontal effect" wich actually is the backbone of this method...

I would like to know your reading about that as I believe thats the real core edge on this thread... cheers Walter.

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You mean the horizontal black line? This is definitely one of the strengths of the method because it should keep you out of choppy markets. The only problem is that you will often miss the start of a new trend. Also sometimes choppy markets give great trading opportunities (like today's GBP/USD). But as an indicator to distinguish between choppy and trending markets it's one of the best I've seen.

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You mean the horizontal black line? This is definitely one of the strengths of the method because it should keep you out of choppy markets. The only problem is that you will often miss the start of a new trend. Also sometimes choppy markets give great trading opportunities (like today's GBP/USD). But as an indicator to distinguish between choppy and trending markets it's one of the best I've seen.

 

yea... absolutely...

 

notouch : on the paralel research you will see how we are trying to get that start of trend (laddering) as soon as posible... it is a challenge that could end up on some interesting timing method... cheers Walter.

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Have you considered ditching the 1 minute chart and using 5 minute candles instead? You have me hooked now so I was looking at the price action on AUD/USD during the Sydney session. I noticed the black line crossed the green line, then there was an "icon" pullback which culminated in a shooting star candle. That would have been my entry for a short scalp. The shooting star I'm referring to has a down arrow above it.

 

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Ok Notouch... glad to interact ¡¡ thats the countertrend alternative and I call that an inverted Icon...( really did not posted here as I dont want new people confused) now you know I am a countertrader on futures and that could be a lazy trade where it does the refresh process back to the magenta line...

 

Now about time frames... my time frame IS the 5 min chart... all setups are formed there.. then the 1 min I use it for "very specific timing"... so I am actually not trading from the 1 min but from the 5 min and use the 1 min for more quirurgical entries... wich in this case vmar on 1 min does a very nice job...

 

For example that trade you are showing could be timed this way on 1 min as the black line crosse th darkgreen line :

 

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now the nice thing is that 1 min at this point of my evolution only is used for this quirurgical entries... then for exits I go back to the 5 min and have a more large perspective of the trade... having a much better RRR... cheers Walter.

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Would you call that countertrend? I thought that because the black line was below the green line, it was an example of one of your "Trend Trades" or is it only a "Trend Trade" when the black line is below the magenta line? Do you consider it significant when the black line crosses the green line on the 5 minute chart or is that for exit only?

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Would you call that countertrend? I thought that because the black line was below the green line, it was an example of one of your "Trend Trades" or is it only a "Trend Trade" when the black line is below the magenta line? Do you consider it significant when the black line crosses the green line on the 5 minute chart or is that for exit only?

 

if you go slowly thru the thread you will notice that the "basic trend definition" is given between the black line and magenta line on the 5 min...

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I have attached my attempt to duplicate the rainbow in MS excel in hopes that someone who has a complete understanding or the formulas may be able to see where I off and help me get it working correctly. I would like to get a full understanding of the calculations.

 

I worked from Walters post here

 

I labeled each column using the same name Walter posted for each variable so hopefully it will be easy to follow.

 

Thanks for any help.

 

Clym

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Hello dear fellow traders... here I come to recap on some "VMAR Icon" Trades we had... very very clear setups ¡¡ still timing had some issues that will be gladly solved as the paralel research will give us some alternatives to time our entries even better with the vma...

 

on the 5 minutes our setuppings of 3 perfect icons :

 

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if you start to train your eye on this icons setups... you will see how easy it is to spot them... they happen all the time ¡¡

 

NOW... in terms of timing I can still say we need more optimization... and I believe our paralel research on this thread will help us a lot http://www.traderslaboratory.com/forums/f24/playing-with-the-vmar-s-open-2440.html as probably we will take the most from the "Horizontal Effect" thru "laddering"...

 

now let me share what happened today on our timing entry of this three trades:

 

Trade 1 did lag quite in the crossing of black line to darkgreen line...

 

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I expect to optimize this entries thru our paralel methods wich will lead much more into the entry...

 

Trade 2 is a funny case of no pullback from blackline below darkgreen... a pure horizontal effect.. once again this tells us that the paralel research on "laddering" will outperform our basic entry definition..

 

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Trade 3 similar situation to trade 1...

 

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SO... all trades had been winners, easy to trade all.... timing is the issue on the lab... we want to optimize... it can be done.... just take a look what we are doing on the paralel thread on "laddering" and you will se how we will be able to take the most power edge from vma... cheers Walter.

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Walter - just lurking here...

 

So, at this point, how would you say this new setup is working? Initially you were very excited and I'm curious if that same fervor is continuing.

 

Are you trading this live with real money and seeing success or is this still in the trial and error stage?

 

Good trading!

 

PS

If you haven't stopped by the candlestick corner, I suggest you take a look when time permits. Awhile back I got a little irritated with you asking repeatedly about how I trade and there's quite a bit over in my little corner for anyone interested. It's amazing how complicated we can try to make things sometimes. The candlestick corner has enabled me to get back to the basics and I'm amazing myself. ;)

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Hi Walter, Pyenner and all.

 

Just wanted to say that the intitial ikon trade first described in this thread by Walteris a solid method.... But the introduction of the timing optimisation turns a solid method into a piptastic method. Kudos to you walter and pyenner. Simple, effective, and powerful. Today I traded ikon basic for pips on the pound yen (easy peasy) as we say here in Blightly. I dare to say it but... Walter theory is over for you .... now put it into practice because you have a killer system here. Times a wasting.

 

P.S

 

Does that now mean we can do away with green ma and black baseline vma. Walter. thx

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Walter - just lurking here...

 

So, at this point, how would you say this new setup is working? Initially you were very excited and I'm curious if that same fervor is continuing.

 

Are you trading this live with real money and seeing success or is this still in the trial and error stage?

 

Good trading!

 

PS

If you haven't stopped by the candlestick corner, I suggest you take a look when time permits. Awhile back I got a little irritated with you asking repeatedly about how I trade and there's quite a bit over in my little corner for anyone interested. It's amazing how complicated we can try to make things sometimes. The candlestick corner has enabled me to get back to the basics and I'm amazing myself. ;)

 

Hi Brown... the fervor maybe is growing ¡¡ as thru more extensive research I had found more optimized timing methods... those explanations are on the other thread here http://www.traderslaboratory.com/forums/24/playing-with-the-vmar-s-open-2440-5.html#post19142 if the VMAR Icon is working ? I would say its rocking... he was suffering of some lag before on his timing, now he will be more competitive with the new timing method...

 

I am still not trading forex live... originally my idea was to go live on forex on january next year, but as things are evolving so well I probably will go live sometime end of september or begining october... I like to have a good stable miriad of paper trades before going live, other wise its just wasting money...

 

so yes trial and error its still under way... thats how we got this beautifull optimizations ¡¡

 

Brown I do visit your corner once in a while and I am so glad to see your great inputs ¡¡ I have a great respect for you as a trader and analist... certainly the sharing process is a constructive one for the the one who shares ¡¡ cheers Walter.

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Hi Walter, Pyenner and all.

 

Just wanted to say that the intitial ikon trade first described in this thread by Walteris a solid method.... But the introduction of the timing optimisation turns a solid method into a piptastic method. Kudos to you walter and pyenner. Simple, effective, and powerful. Today I traded ikon basic for pips on the pound yen (easy peasy) as we say here in Blightly. I dare to say it but... Walter theory is over for you .... now put it into practice because you have a killer system here. Times a wasting.

 

P.S

 

Does that now mean we can do away with green ma and black baseline vma. Walter. thx

 

 

Hey Island ... I see you grasped the edge here on the new timing ¡¡

 

about the lines plotted on 1 min chart, I still like to see all of them in my chart because I can still compare old vs new performances... also this black line still could be used for the exit optimization... (thought exits could be optimized on 5 min ) but on this stage of research I still look at all the lines... later we will see what we leave on the chart...

 

Glad you like this method Island... feel free to post charts ¡¡ cheers Walter.

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I have attached my attempt to duplicate the rainbow in MS excel in hopes that someone who has a complete understanding or the formulas may be able to see where I off and help me get it working correctly. I would like to get a full understanding of the calculations.

 

I worked from Walters post here

 

I labeled each column using the same name Walter posted for each variable so hopefully it will be easy to follow.

 

Thanks for any help.

 

Clym

 

Hi Clym and welcome aboard ¡¡ I dont know what exactly happened with your post but now it did appear... interesting, I never knew excel could be used for charting... just curious, how do you feed data into excel ?

 

very interesting programing there, for what I see you got some nice chart there... feel free to interact.. cheers Walter.

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Hi Walter

 

A picture of a first attempt at a turbo version.

Not sure if it will be too extreme.

 

Black is Fantail1

Yellow is turbo

Ignore Red, its just the switching signal to the VMA so I can see whats happening.

 

Try not to keep you waiting much longer but need some sleep.

Cheers

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Hi Walter

 

A picture of a first attempt at a turbo version.

Not sure if it will be too extreme.

 

Black is Fantail1

Yellow is turbo

Ignore Red, its just the switching signal to the VMA so I can see whats happening.

 

Try not to keep you waiting much longer but need some sleep.

Cheers

 

Pyenner, you rock man ¡¡ that relationship looks very clean and leading at the same time... I believe we will get to the point of getting to an "almost" perfect timing... great stuff ¡¡ cheers Walter.

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Pyenner, you rock man ¡¡ that relationship looks very clean and leading at the same time... I believe we will get to the point of getting to an "almost" perfect timing... great stuff ¡¡ cheers Walter.

Yes sharper but also the HE's tend to be shorter, it may need different lines in the fantail for timing. May be confusing at first. But 1-4 bars faster so worth a try...

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Yes sharper but also the HE's tend to be shorter, it may need different lines in the fantail for timing. May be confusing at first. But 1-4 bars faster so worth a try...

 

well about HE`s ... if this particular version would be used for timing only we should be ok... the idea actually on this optimization is to get clean and leading entries... so let the HE from the previous version keep working for us in terms of settuping... I believe we will get to the point of using diferent versions for diferent definitions... cheers Walter.

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    • Date: 18th April 2024. Market News – Stock markets benefit from Dollar correction. Economic Indicators & Central Banks:   Technical buying, bargain hunting, and risk aversion helped Treasuries rally and unwind recent losses. Yields dropped from the recent 2024 highs. Asian stock markets strengthened, as the US Dollar corrected in the wake of comments from Japan’s currency chief Masato Kanda, who said G7 countries continue to stress that excessive swings and disorderly moves in the foreign exchange market were harmful for economies. US Stockpiles expanded to 10-month high. The data overshadowed the impact of geopolitical tensions in the Middle East as traders await Israel’s response to Iran’s unprecedented recent attack. President Joe Biden called for higher tariffs on imports of Chinese steel and aluminum.   Financial Markets Performance:   The USDIndex stumbled, falling to 105.66 at the end of the day from the intraday high of 106.48. It lost ground against most of its G10 peers. There wasn’t much on the calendar to provide new direction. USDJPY lows retesting the 154 bottom! NOT an intervention yet. BoJ/MoF USDJPY intervention happens when there is more than 100+ pip move in seconds, not 50 pips. USOIL slumped by 3% near $82, as US crude inventories rose by 2.7 million barrels last week, hitting the highest level since last June, while gauges of fuel demand declined. Gold strengthened as the dollar weakened and bullion is trading at $2378.44 per ounce. Market Trends:   Wall Street closed in the red after opening with small corrective gains. The NASDAQ underperformed, slumping -1.15%, with the S&P500 -0.58% lower, while the Dow lost -0.12. The Nikkei closed 0.2% higher, the Hang Seng gained more than 1. European and US futures are finding buyers. A gauge of global chip stocks and AI bellwether Nvidia Corp. have both fallen into a technical correction. The TMSC reported its first profit rise in a year, after strong AI demand revived growth at the world’s biggest contract chipmaker. The main chipmaker to Apple Inc. and Nvidia Corp. recorded a 9% rise in net income, beating estimates. Always trade with strict risk management. Your capital is the single most important aspect of your trading business. Please note that times displayed based on local time zone and are from time of writing this report. Click HERE to access the full HFM Economic calendar. Want to learn to trade and analyse the markets? Join our webinars and get analysis and trading ideas combined with better understanding on how markets work. Click HERE to register for FREE! Click HERE to READ more Market news. Andria Pichidi Market Analyst HFMarkets Disclaimer: This material is provided as a general marketing communication for information purposes only and does not constitute an independent investment research. Nothing in this communication contains, or should be considered as containing, an investment advice or an investment recommendation or a solicitation for the purpose of buying or selling of any financial instrument. All information provided is gathered from reputable sources and any information containing an indication of past performance is not a guarantee or reliable indicator of future performance. Users acknowledge that any investment in FX and CFDs products is characterized by a certain degree of uncertainty and that any investment of this nature involves a high level of risk for which the users are solely responsible and liable. We assume no liability for any loss arising from any investment made based on the information provided in this communication. This communication must not be reproduced or further distributed without our prior written permission.
    • Date: 17th April 2024. Market News – Appetite for risk-taking remains weak. Economic Indicators & Central Banks:   Stocks, Treasury yields and US Dollar stay firmed. Fed Chair Powell added to the recent sell off. His slightly more hawkish tone further priced out chances for any imminent action and the timing of a cut was pushed out further. He suggested if higher inflation does persist, the Fed will hold rates steady “for as long as needed.” Implied Fed Fund: There remains no real chance for a move on May 1 and at their intraday highs the June implied funds rate future showed only 5 bps, while July reflected only 10 bps. And a full 25 bps was not priced in until November, with 38 bps in cuts seen for 2024. US & EU Economies Diverging: Lagarde says ECB is moving toward rate cuts – if there are no major shocks. UK March CPI inflation falls less than expected. Output price inflation has started to nudge higher, despite another decline in input prices. Together with yesterday’s higher than expected wage numbers, the data will add to the arguments of the hawks at the BoE, which remain very reluctant to contemplate rate cuts. Canada CPI rose 0.6% in March, double the 0.3% February increase BUT core eased. The doors are still open for a possible cut at the next BoC meeting on June 5. IMF revised up its global growth forecast for 2024 with inflation easing, in its new World Economic Outlook. This is consistent with a global soft landing, according to the report. Financial Markets Performance:   USDJPY also inched up to 154.67 on expectations the BoJ will remain accommodative and as the market challenges a perceived 155 red line for MoF intervention. USOIL prices slipped -0.15% to $84.20 per barrel. Gold rose 0.24% to $2389.11 per ounce, a new record closing high as geopolitical risks overshadowed the impacts of rising rates and the stronger dollar. Market Trends:   Wall Street waffled either side of unchanged on the day amid dimming rate cut potential, rising yields, and earnings. The major indexes closed mixed with the Dow up 0.17%, while the S&P500 and NASDAQ lost -0.21% and -0.12%, respectively. Asian stock markets mostly corrected again, with Japanese bourses underperforming and the Nikkei down -1.3%. Mainland China bourses were a notable exception and the CSI 300 rallied 1.4%, but the MSCI Asia Pacific index came close to erasing the gains for this year. Always trade with strict risk management. Your capital is the single most important aspect of your trading business. Please note that times displayed based on local time zone and are from time of writing this report. Click HERE to access the full HFM Economic calendar. Want to learn to trade and analyse the markets? Join our webinars and get analysis and trading ideas combined with better understanding on how markets work. Click HERE to register for FREE! Click HERE to READ more Market news. Andria Pichidi Market Analyst HFMarkets Disclaimer: This material is provided as a general marketing communication for information purposes only and does not constitute an independent investment research. Nothing in this communication contains, or should be considered as containing, an investment advice or an investment recommendation or a solicitation for the purpose of buying or selling of any financial instrument. All information provided is gathered from reputable sources and any information containing an indication of past performance is not a guarantee or reliable indicator of future performance. Users acknowledge that any investment in FX and CFDs products is characterized by a certain degree of uncertainty and that any investment of this nature involves a high level of risk for which the users are solely responsible and liable. We assume no liability for any loss arising from any investment made based on the information provided in this communication. This communication must not be reproduced or further distributed without our prior written permission.vvvvvvv
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