[amswak]

Its seems a little naive to me to think the market isn't manipulated, but equally naive to think it hasn't been manipulated since its inception.

[BlowFish]

Can't remember if I mentioned this before but manipulated is not a useful word to use as it has a few definitions the common two are quite ambiguous.

At one end of the scale you have "to handle with great skill or artifice".
At the other end of the scale you have a similar definition but can add unfairly, falsely, deviously or even out illegally.

So manipulation is likely to mean different things to different people, it is often used because it is emotive whilst remaining ambiguous.

[Eric Johnson]

As studiers of market action, it is very useful to have a well defined terms. The reason for using an ambiguous term for an inquiry is to open the door for a variety of perspectives to be commented upon.

Really what I am surveying is along the lines of, with the vast experience of the traders, what are the evidences that we have for unusual disruptions in market activity. Is there times to expect these disturbances? What are the mechanisms that trigger them? How have things changed? What are people doing to avoid or exploit these occurances? For new traders, what will the old school trades see you are jumping into. So far it has been a decent thread because people are coming up with shared experiences that give perspective on the dynamics and forces that move the market.
There will be opinions of intent and justification for market interventions. People see things differently. That is why I like trading, people disagreeing make every order fill work. The more people disagree, the more liquid the market... The sharing of useful information is the focus.

[felix36]

Yes, especially analysts and the media (CNBC) or Big Money. Now I recalled big downgraeding Yahoo shares, just before the bids for the purchase by MSFT.
It is interesting that some analysts downgreading and demolition Yahoo stock price. At the same time to decrease Yahoo prices, companies that are doing these same analysts have bought Yahoo shares as crazy.

http://translate.google.hr/translate...m%2Fnode%2F102


Of course it was all accompanied by a negative media campaign on CNBC on weaknesses Yahoo shares. For several days after a well earned on long calls on Yahoo and up to 3000 to +4000% pure gain.

http://translate.google.hr/translate...&sl=auto&tl=en

So much for the "analysts", the news and follow-up "market gurus".

Only TECHNICAL ANALYSIS and monitoring the flow of capital. With such an analysis and Big Money misinformation on CNBC can be very useful.