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Old 09-01-2008, 10:44 AM   #1

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Account Size Importance

I was wondering one thing..

1. Assume I have trading account size $10.000. This is 30% of my savings I have ($30.000). I will risk 2% each trade ($200). My max drawdown is 30%. Once this level is reached I will stop trading. It tells me system or trader need change, right? Once I am confident again I have to re-build my account size (i.e. by saving regular income or adding from savings account). So I lost 30% - $3.000. I am done for some time trading (if ever again)

2. Assume I have $3.000 trading account and $27.000 left on savings account. Same system with $200 risk each trade (this time it would be 6% - very risky). I say my max drawdown this time is 100% (or near)!!! WOW!!!. Assume I lost the account and to trade again I need new $3.000

In both cases I lost the same amount - $3.000. Both cases I lost 10% of my savings.
Now....beside psychological aspect (100% vs 30%) is there a difference?

PS: I intentionally assumed the same amount of savings because otherwise it would matter how much you lost ($3.000 may be all the savings you had)
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Re: Account Size Importance

Difference is #1 could bleed a slow death and #2 could be a swift and quick take down.

It comes down to what your system has shown in backtesting and forward testing. A $200 stop is not huge, but also can be plenty if managed properly.
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You might find this interesting http://www.traderscalm.com/ror0.html
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Yup I think its a hidden gem too!
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Old 09-02-2008, 09:48 AM   #6
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Re: Account Size Importance

Another book to read would be Ryan Jones, the Trading Game.

Says the book blurb:
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The Trading Game shows you how to harness the power of money management for any trading method. "The goal of most futures traders is to make a million dollars as fast and as painlessly as possible....
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Re: Account Size Importance

Bringing the matter I was thinking how do you manage your account in terms of "how much of an account do you keep at brokerage account". What I was thinking of is to keep 5% of account size at broker account and 95% at my bank. These could have 2 advantages:
1. You gain interest rate
2. You are disabled to do stupid things like risking more than 5% (at least to the moment you make a transfer but that might be enough to think things over and cool down)

Now, is it a good idea or not(why)?
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I do that but not b/c of wanting to restrict my losses - I do it b/c I don't want money sitting there earning 0% interest.

Same idea, but different reasons why.
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