[ant]

An interesting, and useable, Market Profile statistic is "how often does a market make its high/low of the day in the first 30 mins or 60 mins of trading (i.e., the Initial Balance Period)?" The data below provides these statistics for the YM and ES for the years 2006, 2005, 2004, and for the past 3 years combined. In summary, according to the data, the YM and ES makes the high/low of the day in the first 30 mins approximately 45% of the time and in the first 60 mins approximately 70% of the time. These statistics were collected using a tradestation indicator that I wrote.

So how do I use this information? Well, I tend to be aggressive in the first hour of trading - meaning I try to enter a trade near a key reference area, if the market offers such an opportunity. What is the potential of a trade made in the first 60 mins or so of trading? The potential is roughly the average daily range. I like to use the 10 day Average True Range to estimate this. In Mind over Markets, Dalton mentions how to estimate the potential daily range. TinGull also covers this in another thread. This trade usually offers an opportunity with excellent risk/reward. The primary goal of my trading strategy is to catch as much of the daily range as possible in 1 to 4 trades per day. For me, this is why it is critical to have a trade plan before the market opens, as Soultrader and others often emphasize.

ES (2006):
Highs in first 30 mins: 57 out of 242 days or 23.55%
Lows in first 30 mins: 62 out of 242 days or 25.62%
Highs in first 60 mins: 88 out of 242 days or 36.36%
Lows in first 60 mins: 90 out of 242 days or 37.19%
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High/Low in first 30 mins: 119 out of 242 days or 49.17%
High/Low In first 60 mins: 178 out of 242 days or 73.55%

ES (2005):
Highs in first 30 mins: 59 out of 253 days or 23.32%
Lows in first 30 mins: 48 out of 253 days or 18.97%
Highs in first 60 mins: 84 out of 253 days or 33.20%
Lows in first 60 mins: 79 out of 253 days or 31.23%
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High/Low in first 30 mins: 107 out of 253 days or 42.29%
High/Low In first 60 mins: 163 out of 253 days or 64.43%

ES (2004):
Highs in first 30 mins: 58 out of 253 days or 22.92%
Lows in first 30 mins: 50 out of 253 days or 19.76%
Highs in first 60 mins: 85 out of 253 days or 33.60%
Lows in first 60 mins: 84 out of 253 days or 33.20%
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High/Low in first 30 mins: 108 out of 253 days or 42.69%
High/Low In first 60 mins: 169 out of 253 days or 66.80%

ES (Past 3 Years):
Highs in first 30 mins: 173 out of 747 days or 23.16%
Lows in first 30 mins: 159 out of 747 days or 21.29%
Highs in first 60 mins: 256 out of 747 days or 34.27%
Lows in first 60 mins: 253 out of 747 days or 33.87%
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High/Low in first 30 mins: 332 out of 747 days or 44.44%
High/Low In first 60 mins: 509 out of 747 days or 68.14%

YM (2006):
Highs in first 30 mins: 62 out of 242 days or 25.62%
Lows in first 30 mins: 74 out of 242 days or 30.58%
Highs in first 60 mins: 87 out of 242 days or 35.95%
Lows in first 60 mins: 93 out of 242 days or 38.43%
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High/Low in first 30 mins: 136 out of 242 days or 56.20%
High/Low In first 60 mins: 180 out of 242 days or 74.38%

YM (2005):
Highs in first 30 mins: 50 out of 243 days or 20.58%
Lows in first 30 mins: 48 out of 243 days or 19.75%
Highs in first 60 mins: 76 out of 243 days or 31.28%
Lows in first 60 mins: 75 out of 243 days or 30.86%
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High/Low in first 30 mins: 98 out of 243 days or 40.33%
High/Low In first 60 mins: 151 out of 243 days or 62.14%

YM (2004):
Highs in first 30 mins: 66 out of 253 days or 26.09%
Lows in first 30 mins: 57 out of 253 days or 22.53%
Highs in first 60 mins: 90 out of 253 days or 35.57%
Lows in first 60 mins: 94 out of 253 days or 37.15%
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High/Low in first 30 mins: 123 out of 253 days or 48.62%
High/Low In first 60 mins: 184 out of 253 days or 72.73%

YM (Past 3 Years):
Highs in first 30 mins: 178 out of 737 days or 24.15%
Lows in first 30 mins: 178 out of 737 days or 24.15%
Highs in first 60 mins: 254 out of 737 days or 34.46%
Lows in first 60 mins: 262 out of 737 days or 35.55%
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High/Low in first 30 mins: 356 out of 737 days or 48.30%
High/Low In first 60 mins: 516 out of 737 days or 70.01%

[TinGull]

Very very interesting stuff Ant!! Thanks so much for sharing. So...when you're trying to guage the top using the 10 day ATR, how are you coming to the price where you think the top will be?

Chris

[ant]

Originally Posted by TinGull »

Very very interesting stuff Ant!! Thanks so much for sharing. So...when you're trying to guage the top using the 10 day ATR, how are you coming to the price where you think the top will be?

Chris

Chris, I basically try to enter a trade near a key reference area identified by Market Profile when market internals are weakening - nothing new here. I just try to enter a trade in the first 60 mins any chance I get because of the risk/reward. That's why I think that the first 60 mins of trading is perhaps the most important. I also use the IB range and potential day type for determining whether a high or low is being set in the IB period. For example, the extreme of a wide IB range usually holds, a narrow IB range may turn into a trend day, etc. With respect to day type, a Normal Variation day tends to have range extension that doubles the IB range - stuff like that, but those are really details. The key point is to try to enter a trade, based on your trading strategy, around the first hour or so to catch most of the daily range about 70% of the time. At least, that's the goal... The chart below is my attempt last Thursday, 1/4, but I royally messed up the exit, but I won't get into details here. Did I answer you question?

[Soultrader]

Ant, thank you for the excellent data. Very helpful for MP traders as I also tend to be super aggressive in the first 60 minutes. As a matter of fact, I hardly ever trade past the initial 60 minutes of trading. This is where the most opportunities exist in my opinion.

I have a few questions regarding your exit points and range estimation. You mentioned you look to establish a position in the initial 60 minutes of trading. Do you tend to keep these positions throughout the doldrums and into the afternoon session? I am usually in and out of all my positions by 10:45am eastern. In Mind Over Markets, Dalton describes some techniques to measure the range after a potential high or low is established. I didn't accept this into my trading because it did not make much sense to me. Have often have you found this range estimation to work?

This range estimation technique interests me because I tend to make multiple trades scaling out for 20-30 pts at a time. If I can apply this techinique into my trading, I may be able to hold on to a partial of my position longer. The only problem is... I have learned about various range estimation techniques but none of them seemed to be valid. It just never made any sense to me how one can predict the range for the day.

[TinGull]

Originally Posted by ant »

Chris, I basically try to enter a trade near a key reference area identified by Market Profile when market internals are weakening - nothing new here. I just try to enter a trade in the first 60 mins any chance I get because of the risk/reward. That's why I think that the first 60 mins of trading is perhaps the most important. I also use the IB range and potential day type for determining whether a high or low is being set in the IB period. For example, the extreme of a wide IB range usually holds, a narrow IB range may turn into a trend day, etc. With respect to day type, a Normal Variation day tends to have range extension that doubles the IB range - stuff like that, but those are really details. The key point is to try to enter a trade, based on your trading strategy, around the first hour or so to catch most of the daily range about 70% of the time. At least, that's the goal... The chart below is my attempt last Thursday, 1/4, but I royally messed up the exit, but I won't get into details here. Did I answer you question?

Thanks Ant...yes, you answered it. I was thinking you were doing something else...it all makes sense from MoM.

Thanks again~!

[TinGull]

Also, Ant...do you subscribe to alexandertradings newsletter? Just notice the wicked similarities between this post and the newsletter.... Also...maybe you could tell me what KRA stands for? THANKS!

[ant]

Originally Posted by TinGull »

Also, Ant...do you subscribe to alexandertradings newsletter? Just notice the wicked similarities between this post and the newsletter.... Also...maybe you could tell me what KRA stands for? THANKS!

Yeah, I do. Inspired by this weekend's newsletter, I decided to confirm the tendency of the ES and YM to set a high/low in the first hour of trading. The data confirms the statistics in the newsletter.

[ant]

Chris, KRA stands for "Key Reference Area".