[Dogpile]

This thread is to discuss how you are applying Market Profile to actual specific trading. We are competing against advanced algorithmic-based program trading. Let's share some ideas.

[TinGull]

I got short at 644. Rejection of VAL after initiative selling brought it below value and below the 3 day range action.

[walterw]

Tin : your delta bars speak for themself.... still using some of 5pillars method ? nice chart there... cheers Walter.

[Dogpile]

Tin, I did a similar trade but on NQ. Curious what it is specifically that you are referring to when you say "Rejection of VAL"... do you wait for some kind of push away from the VAL? are you looking for just a 5-min reversal candle? or are you shorting on the test of the VAL anticipating the rejection and just covering with a stop at a set point above the VAL if it continues up?

thx in advance for any follow-up...

[TinGull]

Walter, still using some of 5p's methods

dogpile, the rejection I watch for is a peek through the pivot area and then watch price. If price moves quickly back below, thats a rejection to me. At that point I just wait for the 5minute candle to close. If it closes below the pivot area it tried to break through, thats rejection enough for me to take the trade. The stop can be place 3 ticks above the high of the high bar and then ring the cash register....sometimes

[Don4]

This trade just happened, I got in even with spread, with stops of 5 pips below sopport and take profit of 10pips, price went up so fast i auctually made 13 pips.
Thanks Walter!!

[Dogpile]

My key trade today was very similar to Tin's so here is one I did late yesterday.

This one is fun because it combines lots of different buy and sell pressures that I envisioned (and was proven right). Here was my thinking:

1. Fridays gap up push to new highs was a weaker push up than the previous strong move up on Wednesday to Thursday Morning. This is an obvious momentum divergence that can simply be seen by the slope of the lines drawn on the chart. This divergence often implies some sell pressure will enter the market at some point.

2. Fridays high also showed 'single prints' on 30-min chart (excess high could mean participation of 'higher timeframe' sellers.

3. Monday was a very low volume day which formed very fat market profile. Value was established near 1538.25 nearly identical to the previous day. This balancing culminated in a late day 'price spike' up to test the single prints from Friday. This test was on very weak volume. As in Daltons book 'Markets In Profile' -- there is a strong tendency for the market to test up above/below previous key pivots to test if any more business (activity) remains to be done there. Exceeding the previous peak/trough is very common... The fact that this late, low-volume price spike occured on very low volume and fell short of its strong tendency to exceed the previous excess high was a sign of weakness.

I felt that the location for a short taken very late in the day could be held over globex overnight session for a play back down as sell pressures had been building for a flush down and this looked like good 'asymmetrical location' -- it was above well established value point and the lower high was being made on weak volume, which should be faded for a play back down.

Here is the link to the chart:

S&P+Futures+June+4+2007.b mp (image)

[walterw]

Thats great Don ¡¡ I feel very proud to see that... keep that great work ¡¡ cheers Walter.