[Ingot54]

The rise of fascism ... is it at the bottom of the problems we are seeing world-wide at the moment?

http://www.dylanratigan.com/2011/08/...racy-for-sale/

That little link was a spin-off from ZDO's great little thread here:

http://www.traderslaboratory.com/for...tml#post125947

Pay particular attention to the COMMENTS at the bottom of the Dylan Ratigan video.

Then we can talk.

[Ingot54]

Originally Posted by Ingot54 »

The rise of fascism ... is it at the bottom of the problems we are seeing world-wide at the moment?

Pay particular attention to the COMMENTS at the bottom of the Dylan Ratigan video.

Then we can talk.

So already you may ask "what has that to do with fascism?"

To begin with, ensure you understand what fascism really is.

In a nutshell, it is the involvement of corporations in government to the extent that political parties no longer matter - the state is owed by, and serves, the interests of the corporation. In other words, the money in business has BOUGHT the politicians, and government no longer serve the electorate, but the lobby, and the corporation.

You can find more, and even variations and examples throughout history of fascism, here:

Fascism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That was easy.

Up next - a bit more reading ...

[Ingot54]

Originally Posted by Ingot54 »

... the involvement of corporations in government to the extent that political parties no longer matter - the state is owed by, and serves, the interests of the corporation.

This brings me to the reasons I included the Dylan Ratigan /Ed Rendell "Democracy for Sale" video in the first post.

If you listened carefully, you would have heard Ed Rendell say: "38% OF CORPORATIONS IN THE USA PAY NO TAXES."

I don't know about you, but I am wondering how that came about.

Here in Australia, foreign corporations that invest in this country (Australia), can escape taxation here, under dubious "Double Taxation" rules

Australian corporate taxation for multinationals

It is easy to see how a bit of creative accounting, coupled with the "38% pay no taxes" situation, could make Australia a very exciting investment situation indeed, unless I am just being paranoid, and everyone really IS honest after all.

But we are digressing. What has this to do with the rise of Fascism and the West?

We shall see in due course. I would like you to try to understand something first.

Watch the Dylan Ratigan video in the first post, and here in ZDO's great thread at Post #12

THE EMPEROR WEARS NO CLOTHES! Ratigan Spells-It-Out! PAY ATTENTION OBAMA!!! - YouTube

Now pay attention to the first 20 seconds of that video. Tatigan mentions a term I have never heard before, but I believe it is 100% synonymous with and congruent with, FASCISM. Only the word he uses - "EXTRACTIONIST" - is a euphemism for "Fascist."

Had Ratigan, and others used the term "Fascist" or "Fascism" I believe they would have been dismissed immediately and never gained any traction.

But we live in an information age, and wherever a new term or idea comes up, people will sniff around until they get to the bottom of it.

Ratigan says in his opening 20 seconds statement: " ... our government can't acknowledge the root cause which is the fact that there is an extraction in trade practice in banking in this country that has been going on for a long time and covering it up by printing money is only a recipe to make it worse ..."

Focus on that word "EXTRACTION" and I'll see you in a little while ...

[Ingot54]

Originally Posted by Ingot54 »

Focus on that word "EXTRACTION" and I'll see you in a little while.

In 2007, references to Carbon Credits being bought by corporations - particularly Goldman Sachs, and it may come as a surprise to some ... Al Gore and his family ... began to appear in the mainstream news.

Fast-track carbon trading, says Goldman | The Australian

Al Gore, Carbon Credits, the "Green" Scam and... Goldman Sachs? | Jr Deputy Accountant


What???!!!

Al Gore, the "Inconvenient Truth" man???

Yes folks, you have been had ... but the thread is NOT about Al Gore and his cruel hoax.
It is about the results and purpose of that hoax, in small part only.

The Global Warming / Carbon Credits hoax is being used here only as an EXAMPLE.

If you want to talk about the right / wrong / science is in / out on AGW ... then please start a new thread for that.

What has happened is that the Carbon Credits trading scheme is going to be the vehicle to usher in a global power structure, where Centralist Government, controlled by corporate interests, will be able to manipulate the price of Carbon in YOUR country, similarly to how they manipulate the price of Stocks, Metals and Commodities already today.

The CBOT and CFTC do this already by manipulating the level of margin required to trade these instruments. By increasing/decreasing the margin requirement, and by short-selling huge numbers of derivative contracts, markets are steered any which way.

So for a bit more reading ... and to pave the way for further discussion, here is an interesting article from Tuesday's "Rolling Stone":

Is the SEC Covering Up Wall Street Crimes? | Rolling Stone Politics

Perhaps you will understand a little more about globalism, fascism, extractionism, and the simple over-involvement of lobbyists and corporations, in the process of government all over the world.

We will then be able to talk more about "Extractionism" ... or ... its real name ... fascism.

[Ingot54]

Originally Posted by Ingot54 »

In 2007, references to Carbon Credits being bought by corporations - particularly Goldman Sachs, and it may come as a surprise to some ... Al Gore and his family ... began to appear in the mainstream news.

We will then be able to talk more about "Extractionism" ... or ... its real name ... fascism.

Before proceeding, take a look at this - for some of you this will already be old stuff.

But this stuff is NOT surreal ... it is happening.

Carbon Tax

[Tradewinds]

The solution is for enough people to come to the knowledge of what is good and figure out a way to keep the good times rolling. But when it comes to determining what is good, and how to keep it going, I don't know if we could ever get two or more people to agree to what that really means.

Unfortunately most people's definition of good is:

• If I hurt you, exploit you, control, manipulate and deceive you for my own gain, well being and pleasure, then it's good.

[Tradewinds]

Originally Posted by Ingot54 »

Pay particular attention to the COMMENTS at the bottom of the Dylan Ratigan video.

Then we can talk.

• Buying Access and Influence through campaign contributions
• Money perverts entire process
• Democracy For Sale!

Interesting phrase was used:

Something about the difference between a capitalist and an "Extractionist". You either want to build something good together, or pick people off.

[zdo]

Some post - darkness... some post 'ism' optimism… (if you don't want your stability threatened - click out)

Life without appreciation for irony in global financial, economic and political affairs would be challenging. God undoubtedly enjoys the irony at work in human action. Politicians promising government sponsored heaven on earth for decades have delivered the world into a global financial meltdown nightmare, and the cusp of another depression. All around the world, the politicians are scrambling for their political lives, and many their political souls, as the global system enters a long wave extinction event.
The final plunge of this long wave winter season is now underway. The international political economy, which has lost its moorings in individual accountability, responsibility and purpose, is breaking up. Socialism in all its forms, including the global banking system that is dependent on the government dole, is collapsing from the weight of its internal contradictions. Socialism is going through an extinction event in the final years of this long wave, receiving its just reward from the crushing long wave forces that it has magnified around the globe.

It occurred to me that many readers may not appreciate the irony in the title of the latest version of my book on global long wave cycles of prosperity and depression; Jubilee on Wall Street; An Optimistic Look at the Global Financial Crash. Clarification is required. The optimism is based on the forecast that the final crisis years in the latest global long wave depression will usher in radical global change, for the better. What the world is now entering is an event several times larger in scale than the 2008-2009 global financial disaster that was maybe an 8.0 on the cycle scale. The financial quake of 2012-2013 will be closer to a 13.0 event in comparison.

The good news is that the long wave extinction event now unfolding around the globe, which will clean the slate of failed socialist ideas, is setting the stage for a new global economy. The days of socialism are numbered. In Jubilee on Wall Street, the name given to this new system that will emerge from the chaos created by the politicians and their crony capitalist conspirators is The Great Republic. A brave new world is coming. It will be a new form of international free market capitalism. It will produce the greatest global boom in human history. Adam Smith coined the term of the Great Mercantile Republic in his still relevant 1789 book, The Wealth of Nations. He used the term to explain the international gold based monetary system. Gold was the accepted international currency of Smith's Great Republic, and it is making a stunning comeback as the global economy, which compromised with socialism, descends into chaos.

In the event you have not noticed, digital gold currency (DGC) is rising fast as the solution to the tomfoolery of politicians that cannot manage a simple budget, and didn't think the world would notice. Bad politics has forced central banks to attempt to cover the political folly by liquefying the doomed system built on political bribery and favors.
Sovereign and private DGC is now on the fast track. The Gold Swiss Franc (GSF) legislation recently introduced in Switzerland is the first proposed sovereign dual monetary system. This is the monetary system of the coming Great Republic. The Swiss are following in the footsteps of James Turk's GoldMoney.com, a private DGC bank where Lloyd's of London insures your DGC on deposit in London, Zurich or Hong Kong. Others will follow the Swiss lead, first in a trickle, and then in a global DGC driven monetary revolution.

Don't get me wrong. The fiat currencies of governments are here to stay, but DGC will keep the politicians and therefore the fiat money in check after this long wave extinction event that will serve to terminate failed ideas and remove their funding by taxpayers. DGC will force politicians to do their job and manage limited government efficiently. DGC will provide investors and businesses a way of escape from the politicians that seek to destroy the money world with their thirst for collective power over individual productive purpose. The relentless demand from the politicians for more sacrifice and more revenues through taxes, fees, bribery and grand theft will be exchanged for a new global economy of empowered human purpose in action. In the words of Ayn Rand, "It only stands to reason that where there's sacrifice, there's someone collecting the sacrificial offerings. Where there's service, there is someone being served. The man who speaks to you of sacrifice is speaking of slaves and masters, and intends to be the master."

Regarding gold, Rand said, "Gold requires no government sanction." Out of this long wave extinction event, DGC will be fundamental to the recreation of international free market capitalism. Politicians that can balance a checkbook and provide limited government that allows the unleashing of the potential of their citizen's individual purpose will find their fiat currencies rewarded with inflows from DGC. When government fails to empower individual purpose and manage its budget, their fiat currency will be punished, with outflows into DGC. Politicians that do not get out of the way and let the private sector solve the world's problems will be shown the door. The politicians and their crony capitalist comrades that do not understand limited government and productive human purpose are fast approaching the long wave extinction event …

David Knox Barker
LongWave Dynamics

All the ‘ism’s are frauds of epic proportions. All of them are created, controlled, played off each other, and then destroyed by the same tiny group of people who manipulate slightly larger groups of people… who, in turn, manipulate and play larger and larger groups of people off each other...

One of the first and simplest realizations needed, and one that is hopefully coming, is that the "throng is not morally obligated to obey the dot"

TinyDotExplained.mp4 - YouTube

TinyDotExplained.mp4 - YouTube