[walterw]

Hi Bruce, I dont want to be annoying... wondered if we will have any chance of making a tighter vma (just baseline/ no rainbow) than the vma3 baseline.. is this mathematically posible ?

My idea is to have a turbo ( 1 line) tighter than the yellow baseline added in the chart so we can see this "micropullbacks" while the vma3 yellow line keeps laddering on...

So my idea is this: have plotted all the fantailvma3 template + this more tight line showing this price action...

I emulate my idea on this graph :



so this tighter line could tell us a little more information... just an idea, if its actually posibble, other wise I will re-create an entry definition for this cases where the yellow line keeps going on without any pullback... cheers Walter.

[walterw]

I dont know if this is the right place to talk about this new setup, but as it comes from the optimization process we are dealing here I will do it here...(on its first presentation) once this takes more form I will open a new thread on this new setup, so we can be more specific on this trades... and keep threads clean...

I am talking about the prospect "5 min Laddering" trade...

On previous post I already presented some basic concepts of this trade with charts and videos... I would say this are the smaller universe "vmar icons" because the icon concept still is in there and here we start to integrate one great concept vma has wich is laddering...

Now positive laddering from a small time frame doesnt have so much significance as positive laddering on a higher time frame, for example the positive laddering of a 5 min chart is much more significant than 1 min...

and as I like to find my trade arguments on a more robust timeframe like 5 min... then positive laddering on 5 min really is our shot here...

How does possitive laddering on a 5 min chart look like ?



simple, you have an HE going on and we he ends, and the black lines starts to continue on the same original direction, thats a "positive laddering"...

notice I am using fantailvma1 on 5 min.... gotta take coffe... continue on next post... cheers Walter.

[walterw]

Ok I decided to start a new thread on this "5 min Laddering" trade...

it is here http://www.traderslaboratory.com/for...rade-2494.html first post will reproduce this previous post, but it will be more organized... cheers Walter.

[PYenner]

My idea is to have a turbo ( 1 line) tighter than the yellow baseline added in the chart so we can see this "micropullbacks" while the vma3 yellow line keeps laddering on...

So my idea is this: have plotted all the fantailvma3 template + this more tight line showing this price action...
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It had been my intention to do something like that.
I see the use for it.
I think something might be done.

The idea had been to have both Fantail1 and 3 on together.
But what we seem to need is 3 and something faster still.
It will mean having 1min chart zoomed right in, it is easy to lose sight of the trend and end up trying to trade a flat market that way.
OK good idea.

[walterw]

Originally Posted by PYenner »

My idea is to have a turbo ( 1 line) tighter than the yellow baseline added in the chart so we can see this "micropullbacks" while the vma3 yellow line keeps laddering on...

So my idea is this: have plotted all the fantailvma3 template + this more tight line showing this price action...
#---------
It had been my intention to do something like that.
I see the use for it.
I think something might be done.

The idea had been to have both Fantail1 and 3 on together.
But what we seem to need is 3 and something faster still.
It will mean having 1min chart zoomed right in, it is easy to lose sight of the trend and end up trying to trade a flat market that way.
OK good idea.

I will aprecciate that Bruce, It will probably give us the final picture we need from all the speed universes... cheers Walter.

[PYenner]

This is annoying me at the moment.
The way 80% of the fantail is showing an uptrend for 80mins while the price actually goes nowhere. Its like it is telling a lie.

You have to trade with these things before you find what works for you or against you.

[walterw]

Originally Posted by PYenner »

This is annoying me at the moment.
The way 80% of the fantail is showing an uptrend for 80mins while the price actually goes nowhere. Its like it is telling a lie.

You have to trade with these things before you find what works for you or against you.

We could call that an annoying pause ¡¡

[PYenner]

Walter

More than a month ago I did an improvement on my own indicator system.
By coincidence, about a month ago the market suddenly got a whole lot more devious and my stress level went nuts.
Well last night thanks to VMA I finally woke up.
Yep left a line of old code in the "improvement" that should have been deleted.
So maybe that nightmare is finally over and I can start being more help with interpreting VMA performance.

Right now I saw the market going into what I call "mischief mode", it alternates fake moves with real moves and keep you totally uncertain about which trend will emerge.

Now when I see mischief mode, the rule is don't enter, don't trust anything until there is more obvious trend and if you are in this market wishing you were out then you have to follow your rules for drawdown and stoploss because you are going to get no signals you can rely on until things start moving properly.

You may know the right word for what I call mischief, here is what it looks like. The good news is that 5min VMA3 was HE at the time, if that usually happens then it will be a good guide for "wait for action".