What Psychologists ?

[zdo]

What happens to our forum trading psychologists / psychiatrists ?
Seems some stay a little longer than others but none of them stay for very long.
Some thoughts / questions on why:
They fear being peer… you’re basic’ power in the helping professions’ trips don’t work very well with traders. ??”
They are really on forum to recruit clients – and when that doesn’t work they peel off ??
Their general and individual models are inadequate and incomplete for ‘helping’ traders and forum ‘work’ accelerates that realization ??
They are ‘wounded healers’ and once they work through their own issue(s), they just don’t need to help anymore ??
Thoughts ?

[RichardTodd]

If you really want to know, why not ask some of them?

[DugDug]

All of the above plus

they go nuts themselves
they were nuts before hand and any sort of forum feedback further hurts the self esteem.

or possibly an open forum is not the best place for any sort of proper therapy and they come to the realisation that if they really are trying to help then its probably unethical/improper to be posting..... particularly if they are professional and searching for clients or have some valid ideas to pass on. Selling professional services such as these I feel are very different to offering a trading system or whiz bang idea.

[johnjohn1hew]

Why not figure things out on your own and stop blaming others for not giving you what you are too lazy to find?? A question that should be added. I hate to see people lying to themselves.

[DugDug]

A bit harsh JohnJohn1hew????
I thought the point of a forum was to seek out the help of others for those skills you may not have?

you are right about people lying to themselves - Not everyone is able to help themselves - hence the need for psychologists.
Imagine if everybody tried to do home surgery or medical self diagnosis? I guess it would fix the health budgets of governments.

[JBWTrader]

Whats wrong with going nuts anyway ?!!

not directed towards anyone in particular...

all sane people have mad states....some are lucky enough to find them although the (the states) never present themselves with a lot of choice or in the best light and nearly always have poor timing for that matter....

the best Analysts have had their own states Analysed ...how else can you walk in their patients shoes...

Best
John

[zdo]

RE:

Originally Posted by RichardTodd If you really want to know, why not ask some of them?

Well for one - they are gone. Plus - Going on my impressions of the body of work contributed from ‘them’ so far, I'm thinking I would get much more authentic answers from traders (with own life examined,etc) than ‘them’. I should note, these questions are more about the patterns of how 'they' appear on the scene and then disappear, and the dynamics when here - than are they a criticism of the ‘helpers’. As DugDug and JWBTrader are pointing out, they definitely have their own issues - even though most of them cloak those issues to a fault.

Is this accurate ? Trading 'therapists' are NOT regular 'therapists'.

Is this accurate ? Many of the issues faced by traders that are pparently 'psychological' , really have no psychological solutions at all.




re: "Why not figure things out on your own ... " Soultrader, there you go. Shut it down. Site no longer needed…

[DugDug]

Originally Posted by zdo RE: I'm thinking I would get much more authentic answers from traders (with own life examined,etc) than ‘them’.

Ultimately - we are responsible for our own work, however I would say that definitely some people - be they traders or therapists - are better at others in getting to the crux of a problem AND then being able to explain why and how to fix it.
(I myself find that I need to improve my descriptions of things when writing)

So given that a therapist may be good if they are good at solving a problem, whereas a trader may actually be terrible at this element of it even though they have the experience and mean well.
The best experience is your own.....and hard work.

secondly...."Many of the issues faced by traders that are pparently 'psychological' , really have no psychological solutions at all"

I think the original bet for the turtle trading experiment shows this to be false. They were given the same rules, opportunities etc. What caused some to follow the rules and succeed and the others to not follow the rules.
As I could tell it was only down to the psyc reasons?
If so then there are plenty of tricks/tips that are possible to do to improve the mental thoughts and habits to follow the rules. (testing, keeping journals, making plans, research, regular holidays, scaling down trades when on a loosing streak)

Most of the success of people in all walks of life, but also in all forms or trading can be defined by their habits and thought processes.

It always reminds me of a set of questions a few of us used to ask..... does an idiot/fool know they are an idiot?
How do you incentivise someone who is inherently lazy and just will not do the work required - even if they have certain natural talents?

[zdo]

DugDug,
Thanks. With this line of thinking, can you direct and relate it to the why 'they' leave / original topic?

Also -
re: "habits and thought processes."
habits ? - definitely
thought processes ? - not so sure about that paradigm anymore. That's getting to where the 'psychology' may be falling down.
Thought may not be as central as we would like to think

[thalestrader]

Originally Posted by zdo What happens to our forum trading psychologists / psychiatrists ? Seems some stay a little longer than others but none of them stay for very long.

I think a little "back story" here would have gone a long way. Seems like it could have been an interesting thread, but I can't even be sure what it's about.

Best Wishes,

Thales