Who Owns the Intellectual Work Here? ...

[brownsfan019]

With the recent discussion regarding PivotProfiler and the sudden pulling of charts, I got to thinking - who actually OWNS the intellectual work being put on TL? This may be a better question for a lawyer, but just curious to hear James AND others thoughts on this topic...

2 schools of thought:

1) James runs the site and you post here freely. Once it's here, it's here to stay, regardless if you do.

2) You are providing a service to James and the forum; therefore, if you want YOUR work pulled for ANY reason, it should be pulled.

Two very different arguments there, each with their own merits.

What say you?

Feel free to post below and/or vote in the poll. Mods - let's try to keep this thread opened for awhile. Move to another part of the forum if need be.

[Soultrader]

I would never reproduce anyones work without prior notice, approval, and appropriate credit. However, I am against removing material already posted on the site. Content is king and the life of TL. It doesn't make any sense to post in the first place if the intention was to be removed later on.

[Minetoo]

The thing that separates this site from many others is the free exchange of ideas and the utter helpfulness of same. It is unfortunate that PivotProfiler has pulled his contributions since it defeats the entire purpose of TL.

[brownsfan019]

	Quote:	Minetoo
	The thing that separates this site from many others is the free exchange of ideas and the utter helpfulness of same. It is unfortunate that PivotProfiler has pulled his contributions since it defeats the entire purpose of TL.

I agree Minetoo, but the question is - if the owner of the work wants the work pulled, should it be pulled?

[Soultrader]

	Quote:	brownsfan019
	I agree Minetoo, but the question is - if the owner of the work wants the work pulled, should it be pulled?

If for some legal reason it requires it pullled, I will comply. Otherwise, I prefer to simply remove the user from our system and which will change the username to guest or anonymous but keep the content.

[mister ed]

Dunno about the legals either, but I assume the forum owner owns the work unless some other explicit arrangement has been made. From a practical point of view, once its posted its public. With regard to the events that have just happened my understanding is the technical means of pulling charts after the event no longer exist?

[zdo]

Am having difficulty with answering the poll because of the way options are phrased - ie 'ownership' may not be the pivotal issue. Here's why - the writer of content has the copyright (whether it's registered or not). However, once 'published', content can not 'unpublished' by an author. And, aside from commercial restraints, consumers of published content can use it as they please as long as the original work is credited properly.

Does anyone know why PivotProfiler wants his material pulled from TL? Planning to publish in a different format? Starting an advisory service? Interpersonal conflicts?
I know I would respect most reasons he has for wanting what he has published pulled (including if he's creating 'tests' for demand ) Open honest disclosure would probably bring acceptance from most other members as well. So PivotProfiler - what's really going on?

[HAL9000]

Hi,

I've voted for that the writer owns his ideas.
But it shouldn't be deleted on this site for ANY reasons.

We live in global world, we talk about trading. not ...
You know ...

But in some cases, if Soultrader should be confronted with a lawyer, if a writer should be confronted with a lawyer, the material posted, should be deleted.
Its just a pragmatic view.

Coming from a scientific world, a written idea, has is value. It may make the work of a becoming Ph.D. obsolete. Yada, yada, ...

The contents should stay here, that is only fair, but the idea, and the right to the idea should belong to the writer.
If the writer breaks laws, knowingly, or unknowingly, it has to be deleted.


Thats my honest view,

Hal

[mister ed]

Maybe we should be asking two questions BF.

1. Who owns the work?
2. Who should own the work?

You have asked question 1, but I think your intention (please correct me if I am mistaken) is/was also to touch on question 2. I also think some of us have mixed our answers, letting thoughts about Q2 impinge on answers to Q1. I don't think there is anything wrong with this, the board is for discussion after all.

I think the answer to question 1 is to be found in the Terms of Use link at the bottom of each page, quote:

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3. Proprietary Rights

Unless otherwise indicated, copyright in all pages of this Web Site, including the design, layout, graphics and other design elements, and in the information and material contained in and on this Web Site, is owned by Traders Laboratory LLC.
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[HAL9000]

Whoever is willing to respond:

3. Proprietary Rights

Unless otherwise indicated, copyright in all pages of this Web Site, including the design, layout, graphics and other design elements, and in the information and material contained in and on this Web Site, is owned by Traders Laboratory LLC.


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