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Old 04-14-2012, 06:30 AM   #17

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Re: I Can Help with the E-mini, Spookywill

many dvlpr prefer Truth that Disempowers vs seeding subconscious with Disinformation that Empower.
if invert scientific method then subc provide solution resolve conflict. Subc Provide Truth and neutralize false.
If lucky New Truth Preferrable else repeat invert until New Truth Preferrable.

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Re: I Can Help with the E-mini, Spookywill

[...] Please continue posting whatever you have [....]

Yes, post whatever you like, don't limit yourself by parameters suggested by some forum participants. I like to listen to any ideas on trading, even those that are difficult to justify on terms of holy grails or standard technical analysis. Good intentions to help others score merit in heaven.
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Re: I Can Help with the E-mini, Spookywill

Posting of trades is a great exercise for an individuals ego. Look at the "attention" this little thread is getting - just like them all... This will be a blip on the "screen."

Whatever value there may be in what is posted here is really not that relevant.. There is no secret sauce, no special insight, no magic indicator or combination of tools that can be replicated by the mass.

Haven't you all been here - seen this before? This is not a commentary on the individual or their posts on their trades but more on the behavior and hopes of the readers of these forums...

How can anyone communicate what is behind a trade? Trading is not Black & White..it is always shades of gray. In addition, if an individual puts several tools together and may be able to execute those based on their individual psycology and alignment - what does that have to do with you?

By now we all must accept that all the tools work in trading at different times for specific individuals... Charts, Mkt/Vol Profile, some screen spaghetti. The issue is can they work for you?

Chart Reading - takes time, screen time..same as pattern recognition..
Mkt Profile: Punt - complex and not a stand alone tool
Volume Profile: Deriviative of Mkt Profile
Screen TIme: Limitless
Psycological Alignment: a Lifetime

No matter what the OP can or cannot do is not the point.. the point is what are you doing to improve YOUR trading? Looking over a successful traders shoulder might have some value - assuming they really are successful. Other than knowing it can be done how does that help you? We already know it can be done. If you are not successful do you know why? If not what are you going to do about it?

This Thread has a snappy headline...will get a lot of us to stop by and create a buzz... how much do you think it will help you accomplish your goals? I submit not very much...

I suggest you get back to the business of focusing on your charts, process and psycological alignment and not try to mimic something that cannot be explained on a forum like this let alone successfully in a live seminar... assuming it has any true replicable value at all..

The answer lies within you.. You have to have the tenacity to sort it out and find it. If you are constantly changing what you do, chasing the next "new thing", hot poster, etc. then you are lost and need to rethink what you are doing and find your way. If you've been here - done this and find you are running in a circle chasing the magic combination to unlock the puzzle then stop chasing an illusion.

In the end, this thread will be among the other "methods" buried here... on this forum.. a flash.. YOU hold your own answer..nobody can find it for you. Wouldn't it be nice if someone else really could could do all the work and just throw it on a thread and then you could "take that one tidbit" away and convert it to value ? Success in trading will not be found here. It is sitting right there within you - your job - unlock it.. Get on with it.. Lay out an educational plan.. Do the work.. Just don't kid yourself that any forum is going to change what you do or lead you to the promised land..life and trading is not that simple, IMHO.

Best of luck..I hope there is something you can take away from here that can help you along the path... but I doubt it...

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Re: I Can Help with the E-mini, Spookywill

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I don't see how anyone can casually say that the info is useless, unless what they are really saying is "please spoon feed me because I'm much too lazy to investigate this stuff on my own..."
I think what I am trying to say is "if you want to help me to develop as a trader then please give me a fuller incentive because I'm much too busy to investigate pieces when I don't know if the whole has value". I'm not lazy, I hope, but as I said before, there is a hell of a lot of information on this site. Traders need some sort of screening process to decide what they can investigate further. This screening process does not have to be backtest results - if William Eckhart started posting here he'd have my attention without any backtest results.

As for your thread, Phantom, I am currently about half way through reading it, thanks. Once I get to the end I will have to make a judgement as to whether I begin trying to piece together all the pieces into the profitable whole that has enabled you to be successful. Given the general high level of opinion about you throughout the forum and the quality of your posts, I will most likely decide this is worthwhile. However, without that incentive (which is the same incentive that I feel this thread is currently lacking), I probably wouldn't attempt to do so.

All I was trying to do was help the thread starter to cut through the noise and provide the kind of incentive that would cause countless others like myself to sit up and pay attention, and eagerly await every subsequent post he makes. Without this, I suspect he will quickly lose the attention of most - there's just too much other stuff going on around the forum.

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Re: I Can Help with the E-mini, Spookywill

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Posting of trades is a great exercise for an individuals ego. Look at the "attention" this little thread is getting - just like them all... This will be a blip on the "screen."

Whatever value there may be in what is posted here is really not that relevant.. There is no secret sauce, no special insight, no magic indicator or combination of tools that can be replicated by the mass.

Haven't you all been here - seen this before? This is not a commentary on the individual or their posts on their trades but more on the behavior and hopes of the readers of these forums...

How can anyone communicate what is behind a trade? Trading is not Black & White..it is always shades of gray. In addition, if an individual puts several tools together and may be able to execute those based on their individual psycology and alignment - what does that have to do with you?

By now we all must accept that all the tools work in trading at different times for specific individuals... Charts, Mkt/Vol Profile, some screen spaghetti. The issue is can they work for you?

Chart Reading - takes time, screen time..same as pattern recognition..
Mkt Profile: Punt - complex and not a stand alone tool
Volume Profile: Deriviative of Mkt Profile
Screen TIme: Limitless
Psycological Alignment: a Lifetime

No matter what the OP can or cannot do is not the point.. the point is what are you doing to improve YOUR trading? Looking over a successful traders shoulder might have some value - assuming they really are successful. Other than knowing it can be done how does that help you? We already know it can be done. If you are not successful do you know why? If not what are you going to do about it?

This Thread has a snappy headline...will get a lot of us to stop by and create a buzz... how much do you think it will help you accomplish your goals? I submit not very much...

I suggest you get back to the business of focusing on your charts, process and psycological alignment and not try to mimic something that cannot be explained on a forum like this let alone successfully in a live seminar... assuming it has any true replicable value at all..

The answer lies within you.. You have to have the tenacity to sort it out and find it. If you are constantly changing what you do, chasing the next "new thing", hot poster, etc. then you are lost and need to rethink what you are doing and find your way. If you've been here - done this and find you are running in a circle chasing the magic combination to unlock the puzzle then stop chasing an illusion.

In the end, this thread will be among the other "methods" buried here... on this forum.. a flash.. YOU hold your own answer..nobody can find it for you. Wouldn't it be nice if someone else really could could do all the work and just throw it on a thread and then you could "take that one tidbit" away and convert it to value ? Success in trading will not be found here. It is sitting right there within you - your job - unlock it.. Get on with it.. Lay out an educational plan.. Do the work.. Just don't kid yourself that any forum is going to change what you do or lead you to the promised land..life and trading is not that simple, IMHO.

Best of luck..I hope there is something you can take away from here that can help you along the path... but I doubt it...

Tom,

There is a lot to be learned from this thread if the OP is honest about his trades even though it may not benefit a veteran trader.

If he is honest about his trades, then viewers will see the true nature of what trading is. It will be a record of both good and bad calls, lucky breaks and bad luck, winning months and losing months, etc. A viewer will see that there is no secret sauce to the method since the method will work and not work over time. In short, it will be a mirror of the life of a trader with a trading caliber of the OP and that can be very valuable for some to view.

I do agree that the wrong message for traders would be to try to duplicate the OP's method. As in, If I can do what he does, then I can make money too. His trades will be a result of his risk tolerance, his interpretation of events, the size of his account, if he fought with his wife this morning, and etc. Most of which will not be the same for each trader, leading to very different results no matter how hard one tries.

If he is dishonest about his trades and shows entries that occur when the market is 5 pts away from his entry which was a tick of so from the turn, or he posts after-the-fact-exits that were within a tick of the high or low, depending on if he was long or short, then we will all know that he is just another charlatan with ulterior motives like so many that came before him. Many observers of the thread, will call him on it and spend an inordinate amount of time exposing him for what he is.

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The answer lies within you.. You have to have the tenacity to sort it out and find it. If you are constantly changing what you do, chasing the next "new thing", hot poster, etc. then you are lost and need to rethink what you are doing and find your way. If you've been here - done this and find you are running in a circle chasing the magic combination to unlock the puzzle then stop chasing an illusion.
What you say is generally true, Tom, but its also true that certain techniques CAN be replicated, with good results. And what's the point of having a trading forum if not to discuss ways to improve results...should we talk about the weather?

Sometimes (not all the time, of course), the difference between a winning trader and a losing trader is merely a small insight that unlocks the door to the aha moment and changes the entire perception of the markets...

So we keep trudging on and passing ideas onto others in hopes that someone, somewhere will get that tidbit of information that pushes them over the line, and then our conversation has not been completely in vain.

At least that's why I participate.


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...should we talk about the weather?
Only if trading the grains . . .
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You use volatility breakouts in your trading, I believe? So did Larry Williams. If I go and look at pretty much any Larry Williams book he will give backtest results spanning decades for each strategy he describes.
You probably paid for those books. If you want to test someone's strategy, get them to give you their rules and test it yourself. As long as there's no money going from you to him, you don't have grounds to ask for back-testing results.
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