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Old 06-03-2009, 11:31 AM   #33

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Re: Clayburg And Universal Clone

I haven't contributed much to TL, but I thought I'd throw in my 2 cents on Universal since I have also followed TTM and attended seminars where Doc was promoting universal.

I coded up Universal myself since I thought the pricing was ridiculous and I don't agree with having a system I can't tweak (black box as in Universal). BTW, I'm no EL expert but it was relatively easy to code this thing up in a couple hours.

Slippage / Commissions: You can get some great optimization results, like any other system, but it breaks down quickly if you start adding commission / slippage. Doc argues that he doesn't add these since everyone's commission is different, and he uses limit orders, but limit orders are really typically set to go to market if not filled within a certain time limit (in TS system settings). Thus, you're always going to have some slippage, even if it is not a whole tick per execution. I find that if you don't add these to your system results you are doing yourself a huge disservice. A lesson I have learned is to also look closely at the profit per trade, and if it is too low your system will never work out.

Forward testing results: So far, nothing I have tested has worked out with forward testing. The additional parameters besides the B1, B2, S1, S2 like targets / day loss, etc are all on their own additional optimizations that further deteriorate the forward system performance.

Intrabar Order Generation: I have found this does not work with limit order systems that buy on for instance Lowest(L, 3). It will always fill you on the low / high tick of the bar in back testing. You will be doing yourself a huge disservice using this in backtesting.

That being said, I have learned a lot from Doc in his videos / webinars and he does know a lot about the intricacies of TS and execution. I can thank him for that, but I would never put any real money leasing, buying, or trading the universal.
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Re: Clayburg And Universal Clone

It is true that you can set TS to go to the Market after XX seconds if the limit is not filled. But my experience with this has been to have a very high slippage becuase you cannot tell the TS engine to go to market only if the price is At Your Limit Price. If you specify say, 10 seconds... the market can be quite a distance away from your desired entry. So this is not an option for me. Using limit orders, I find that the best trades (furthest in distance and profit) are the ones that tend not to be filled without price penetrating the limit price.

Consequently, in backtesting any system you must use market orders at your price to get accurate results and put in one tick of slippage on the RT.
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Re: Clayburg And Universal Clone

Hi Rob,

Just a matter of style. Using something like 3 seconds on a limit order works well for me. Sure I get those cases of slippage that you mention, but on average I get much less than a tick of slippage / RT.

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Re: Clayburg And Universal Clone

Someone is trying to work with a Self-Adapting Indicator? What you think about it?

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how do you get clone for 8.6 tradestation?

i was watch and had to upgrade and cannot run
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Re: Clayburg And Universal Clone

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how do you get clone for 8.6 tradestation?

i was watch and had to upgrade and cannot run
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I noticed you can download a free trial copy that's good for the month of December. All you have to do is signup for a email newsletter and you can get a copy to try.
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