What Psychologists ?

[FXGirl]

Originally Posted by zdo What happens to our forum trading psychologists / psychiatrists ? Seems some stay a little longer than others but none of them stay for very long. Some thoughts / questions on why: They fear being peer… you’re basic’ power in the helping professions’ trips don’t work very well with traders. ??” They are really on forum to recruit clients – and when that doesn’t work they peel off ?? Their general and individual models are inadequate and incomplete for ‘helping’ traders and forum ‘work’ accelerates that realization ?? They are ‘wounded healers’ and once they work through their own issue(s), they just don’t need to help anymore ?? Thoughts ?

Dear Zdo: I'm still here. Did you have something you wanted help with?

It seems like you have a rather negative opinion of psychologists. Let's talk about your questions:

First, "....you're basic power in the helping professions' trips don't work very well with traders.??" Any psychologist worth his/her salt, loves to have involved, motivated clients. Those are the ones who make progress. In general, traders are motivated and have clear measurable goals (equity curve increase). That's refreshing!

Second, "They are really on forum to recruit clients..." I can't speak for other psychologists, but I'm here to be a resource for others, share my opinion, learn from others and have a little fun.

Third, "Their general and individual models are inadequate and incomplete for ‘helping’ traders..." Now this is an interesting contention. I do think that it is more difficult to help traders if you aren't a trader yourself - after all, trading is a unique experience - however, I think that how people learn to manage ambiguity and risk in trading is very similar to how they learn to do it in life.

Fourth, "They are ‘wounded healers’ and once they work through their own issue(s), they just don’t need to help anymore ??" This one made me laugh. Of course there are therapist out there that haven't done their own work (very unfortunate for their clients), but I'm not sure that participating in this forum would make a difference to those therapists.

Fifth, "Thoughts ?" Yes, I do have some thoughts. Most people who post on the psychology of trading threads seem to think that the answer to all psychological issues is to 'get some discipline'. Most can't articulate how to do that, nor are they aware of how they did it. They make no allowance for individual psychological makeup and how that might effect someone's efforts to become a successful trader. The basic advice that traders give each other is some version of "just suck it up and do it". I wish that worked. Trading would be much simpler and we wouldn't need to discuss trading psychology.

Yours,
Dr. FxGirl

[zdo]

Originally Posted by thalestrader I think a little "back story" here would have gone a long way. Seems like it could have been an interesting thread, but I can't even be sure what it's about.

Backstory is pretty simple – they come and they go in the threads. Noticed it and I’m curious what happens. Introduced a few snide possibilities in the o.p., but was seriously asking if any others had insights into what happens to ‘them’ ( ‘them’ being the serial professionals (MD, PHd, licensed etcs. ) that come and go on TL ).
Across the years, I continue to evolve my own (currently somewhat ambivalent but mostly neutral) opinions about trading therapists and coaches – but that is not really germane to this specific topic / question.
If you have insights, please share. If not, no problem. Most of the question threads I start go with some reactivity and few or no answers. nbd…

[FXGirl]

Hi, Zdo: I think that people's interests change and/or their time is needed elsewhere. I know for myself that I can't always keep abreast of what is being posted - I lead a busy life, just like everyone else. If the market is slow, I'm more likely to look at what has been posted.

[johnjohn1hew]

Thanks DugDug, my comment was not directed at any one in particular, i was just expressing my feeling after having read what the original post stated.To me, people should only seek help and not answers from others. Maybe i believe too much in the theory of recollection.

[johnjohn1hew]

Originally Posted by zdo Backstory is pretty simple – they come and they go in the threads. Noticed it and I’m curious what happens. Introduced a few snide possibilities in the o.p., but was seriously asking if any others had insights into what happens to ‘them’ ( ‘them’ being the serial professionals (MD, PHd, licensed etcs. ) that come and go on TL ). Across the years, I continue to evolve my own (currently somewhat ambivalent but mostly neutral) opinions about trading therapists and coaches – but that is not really germane to this specific topic / question. If you have insights, please share. If not, no problem. Most of the question threads I start go with some reactivity and few or no answers. nbd…

Why would anyone put more emphasis on what a scholarly trader has to say than on a trader without any education? This is kind of sad and elitist.

[FXGirl]

Theory of recollection?

[johnjohn1hew]

Originally Posted by FXGirl Theory of recollection?

Read Plato's Dialogue Meno, or do a Google search.

[FXGirl]

Originally Posted by johnjohn1hew Thanks DugDug, my comment was not directed at any one in particular, i was just expressing my feeling after having read what the original post stated.To me, people should only seek help and not answers from others. Maybe i believe too much in the theory of recollection.

Thanks for the reference. Now that I know what you are talking about, I'd like to ask if you think that applies to trading?

[Kiwi]

I suspect they leave because they decide that their continued presence is not attracting much business. And that they can't stay long without giving away a lot free.

They might also get bored with where its going or not going.

They are in business after all.

[johnjohn1hew]

Originally Posted by FXGirl Thanks for the reference. Now that I know what you are talking about, I'd like to ask if you think that applies to trading?

In life, what there is to know is easily learnt if we use reasoning.