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Re: Just One of Those Days
zdo:
Straight up takes any mis-interpretation outta the way. If it's too, uh, fresh for a public forum, you can PM. Might just remind me of my days in the service---> Stand at ease, and bend forward with your head between your legs. Count backwards from 10 to 0. When you hit 0, snap to attention and say, "Pop, Sir." There, you've pulled your head out. The thread was started in all seriousness. If I can't get consistent, I'm going to ground my accounts into dog food. Thank you zdo, Bam-Bam |
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The only recommendation is the work it into a routine one day at a time, like the dunkin' donuts guy "time to make the donuts" without thought, without emotion (remember him just getting out of bed without a moan or smile or nothing, just those 5 words all the way to work. If you don't know it, youtube it). Routine is the key to make it mechanical. Write down the plan, 10-, 20- or 30-min to memorize it and internalize it. Then meditate or go over charts, whatever, make sure it becomes a routine for days, then weeks, then months, time precision routine before the market rolls in. Once you have that down, it's like... well, making donuts, no thoughts into it. That's how my mentor taught me and it's how i started out. This is the reason why money and winning should not be a part of the scenery, just carrying out the strategy perfectly. Once the routine is in and the strategy perfected, then sizing up position is just a matter of adding another number in.
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Bam-Bam,
"The thread was started in all seriousness." ...And this is a sincere but not serious reply re: “If I can't get consistent, I'm going to ground my accounts into dog food.” Wanting to change, needing to change, trying to change is one of the greatest impediments to change… re “how do you keep a positive, resourceful attitude from one day to the next?” You don’t. Don’t even try. Instead practice mindfulness real time. If you haven’t ever, ‘learn’ and practice Vipassana style meditation and get over trying to be ‘your’ ‘self’ again the next day… (google it or PM me with an off site email and I will send you a plain English doc). And if you have ever, start afresh. … and question everything – especially that “goals”, “commitments”, and “expectation of success” crap. Lose the battle and discipline metaphors. In fact, as you become aware of them, befricknhead all of your trading metaphors and any new ones you encounter! Then explore - are your methods based on fantasies and potentials or are they based on your true nature? ie zdo say if you have to apply ‘discipline’ more than once a month, your whole trading endeavor is at risk (dam but wwhat about Mark Douglas ??! and what happened to Dr Adorn? and Brett says train hard now cause the war hasn't even started yet )And this “You miss by a tick, you miss by the world” business – get to know that even more precisely even though you ‘know’ how many years you’ve ‘known’ that and suffered with it. Many can relate! I know I can - especially with them dagblame indexes! Then explore the polarity of that – entering some more cars 93 ticks from where you started entering the position. And quite hootlessly thinking good lord maybe gonna get filled overnight at 112 worlds from where I started this freakin position. And will be prepared to pile on some more tomorrow on a limit or a stop – somehow not experiencing having missed by a world at all no matter if the overall position is in red or in green… hth and All the best |
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Re: Just One of Those Days
Yeah! nicely put. For me I have to quantify as much as possible to see things objectively. If you can test your ideas and quantify them, then in the back of your head you know that there is an advantage to following your rules.
Then it's simple. Take small loses when you're wrong. Know where you will exit profits. Personally I don't believe there are too many out there that can just "trust intuition" and make money consistently. Why? Because your intuition/gut feeling is not consistent! As humans our moods are affected by such a variety of factors, how can you trust that? I have to quantify and then follow the rules. Then just make tons of donuts. |
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Re: Just One of Those Days
Torero:
Yeah, that Dunkin Donuts commercial is a family favorite. When I think of the market that way, it puts a whole different spin on it. You can read, "trading should be boring," many times over and not truly get the message. But if you think of the donut guy, that image really has a lasting effect. I've finally devised some strategies that I feel quite good about and have a nice win percentage, so it's a matter of following them routinely. Thanks for the input, ![]() Bam-Bam |
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Re: Just One of Those Days
zdo,
Thanks for kickin' it up a notch. It's good to get the BS out of the way and start moving forward. For the record, I don't think I used any battle analogies, beyond maybe word choice. From my perspective, anyone who compares trading or business to war hasn't been to war. Very true that one should question all assumptions. I've done that in my life outside trading and discovered how many limitations we put on ourselves without even realizing it. Working within the limits of other people's metaphors in the markets will certainly limit potential. I appreciate the recommendation for Vipassana meditation. It seems like all roads point to meditation. I am currently reading about another branch of Bhuddism based meditation. Vipassana may provide a more direct approach that is less esoteric. Great input! Thanks, Bam-Bam |
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