Playing with the VMAR`s open research

[PYenner]

Change gears again.

Currently the black line on a 1 min chart gives an entry signal when it starts to curve into a new trend.

It is possible to add in a slightly faster line and use that as an early warning of an emerging trend.

Again it is a recycled pix, not the best for the job but maybe enough to see the direction....

[PYenner]

Change gears again

If you can put the 5min base line onto a 1 min chart.
Maybe you no longer need the 5min chart.
You can do it all off a 1min chart or perhaps have two 1min charts, one zoomed on for entry/exit and the other zoomed out for the longer perspective.

I suppose that will need another pix, but it is kinda all there in the pictures above, if you delve into it?

[walterw]

	Quote:	PYenner
	Ok you got it right but you are also a step ahead. Will do the first step here then come back to the second step. They do overlap yes... The first question is only about how close you want the black line on your VMA indicator to be to a trending price. I tried to show you how it can be so close it gets really mixed in with the price and so far away that it is real smooth. The close one shows detail, but is that what you want to see? Or is it better to have a smoother line that shows trend, but ignores the detail? I don't know which is best yet. I am saying you can chose to have your black base line following either a detailed path like yellow, or a smoother "trendy" path like either blue or magenta. It is something that can be chosen, so think about which ONE of the THREE lines would be best as your black line when there is a trend. It wasn't the best picture. I have seen sometimes when comparing VT to Igorad that sometimes one had a smoother line up between ladder steps, while the other had more wiggles in it, like mini steps on the way up. So do you want mini steps or smooth? I don't have an opinion yet.... would like to hear others. --------------------------- OK, now the second part IS about having multiple VMA lines on a 1 min chart. But that needs to be discussed on its own and it has more to do with the flat bit and the shoulders going into or out of the flat bit. I did post a picture on the other thread that introduced that line of thinking. I want to take it a lot further because it has possibilities. One possiblity is that, in addition to your black line which is flat, you can also have a few more lines, maybe one that works a bit faster so it doesn't stay so flat but it may give you an early warning before your black base line turns up or down into a new trend. That may not be keeping it simple, but it might still be handy. --------------- A third possibilty is replacing the fantail we have now with a fantail of VMA lines. Now there is one scenario where this might give you an exit price guide when trading a recovery. Its too many things to think about, they need to be split up and developed. I suspect a VMA fantail may be more useful than the fantail we have now. Scalping the swings either side of the flat line may also come into it. Dude, it gets all mixed up, overload, meltdown, kablooowweee One at a time, keep it simple, argh, I should be so lucky Pass me a banana someone please...

jejejejej SUPERB POST Pyenner... you are a man after my heart... I also do have this type of brainstorms myself ¡¡¡ awesome ¡¡

I think we have several paralel topics to aboard as you described above...

let me see if I am in sync here...

FIRST TOPIC :

the black line directional movement (could we call it "laddering" ? ) with also the aid of a smaller "turbo vma" telling us some hints of what the blackline will do in front... this could be used for "timing" purposes and the edge relies on the horizontal effect plus the incredible responsivnes on the Cycle/trending stage shift from the vma... so that duo (black line and its turbo) are a complete subject to research on..

SECOND TOPIC :

A Rainbow of base lines ¡¡¡ that is a Terrific topic... I cant say it will outperform our rainbow... but base lines as you mentioned before are doing a "drummond effect" on taking multiple time frames into one chart... what cautivates me on this idea is that the horizontal effect from higher time frames could be plotted on just one time frame and if we take the "turbo" reading from smaller to bigger lines we could have "anticipations" of laddering readings in that particular new rainbow...

so this could be a complete different topic that gradually could merge with the first one.. I like the color of this research... it truly aims to put VMA on steroids...

about simplicity, when original ideas come in there is not a simple plot.... ellaboration at the end of the process takes care of simplifying the last product.. so dont feel intimidated by apparent non simplicity...

keep the ideas flowing ¡¡ I like this one cheers Walter.

[walterw]

	Quote:	islandhome
	I use vma this morning to detect bounceof resistance namely the channel (ala SRDC 2 method) Flattening out of vma on 15 min chart was my trigger to initiate possible entry.http://www.megaupload.com/?d=7AYF9QGS. Dropped down to 5 min to observe price action. Waited for 21 sma our trendsetter ( white ma) to cross vma and then enter on the close of penetrating candle. Exited trade when 21 sma crossed over vma horizontal. .http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KTMMNK92. Thx again walter and pyenner.

Island... I am not able to download your charts... you can upload them here at TL this thread tells you how to do so http://www.traderslaboratory.com/for...perly-805.html If you can re-post this ones, I will apreciate... cheers Walter.

[walterw]

I am playing, just playing... we are authorized to do so here.... look at this chart... aud/usd 1 min with fantailvma1 inputs 1-128-64-0-1 and applied to it a bollinger band 20-3 of previos indicators data.... hmmm

[PYenner]

Gee Walter

I'm glad you can see the same stuff I can see in that indicator.
While my understanding is vague, it is difficult to explain what I only partly see.

Yes the turbo bit would be an aid to experienced traders but an unreliable confusing thing for beginners. There is no substitute for market experience.

About a week back I had some "inspiration" about scalping but it seems to have got lost on me again. Maybe it will come back, maybe I have gone past it. It is good that we can speak the same language and see what the other sees.

I am seeing a lot of icons these days too.
Communication is a powerful tool.

[walterw]

	Quote:	PYenner
	Gee Walter I'm glad you can see the same stuff I can see in that indicator. While my understanding is vague, it is difficult to explain what I only partly see. Yes the turbo bit would be an aid to experienced traders but an unreliable confusing thing for beginners. There is no substitute for market experience. About a week back I had some "inspiration" about scalping but it seems to have got lost on me again. Maybe it will come back, maybe I have gone past it. It is good that we can speak the same language and see what the other sees. I am seeing a lot of icons these days too. Communication is a powerful tool.

Certainly Pyenner the EDGE on this indicator is the "horizontal efect" come and go... when it starts as when it finishes... it tells us a shift of cycle to trending condition...


I spend years trying to find an indicator that could tell me without lagging that information and you know what vualÃÂ* ¡¡¡ ... 12 years later we got it ¡¡ and Bemac, Igorad and yourself Pyenner got a great credit on it ¡¡... cheers Walter.

[PYenner]

Yes
Bollinger band is a bit like the way a "turbo vma" line would converge and diverge from the main base line. It would mostly run between the price line and the smoother base line curve.
And yes again, if you have a turbo line for the purpose of warning you which way the trend will emerge from a flat line, then it will also be there up the trend, showing more mini steps and ladders while the main line follows a smoother path and only bends into the bigger flats, ignores the mini flats.

One idea sort of leads you into more ideas, unexpected ones.

I'm sorry I didn't answer your earlier question about what times I was using in that chart with 3 lines close to an up trend. I dont remember. The fastest line was probably a bit faster than a normal 1 min base line and the other two a little slower.
Sorry to be vague, too soon to get getting exact.

[walterw]

For example... one simple "Trend definition" could be using a larger base vma line with inputs 1-256-128-0-1 (cyan line) and saying :

red > cyan = up trend

red < cyan = down trend

so that could give trend definition...

then timing could be managed with ladderings of the red with the spreading of its bollinger... I am thinking in loud voice... totally just ideas... cheers Walter.

[PYenner]

Yes

You have got the picture about lines that are near to a normal 1 min base line. Say like close in 3/4 min turbo, 1min normal and 3 min line further out still.

On top of that, change into 5th gear, overdrive.
Zoom out your 1 min chart for the long range view.

Because a 16 min base line is way outside the spread of your current 1 min fantail. Repost this pix.

On this, the orange line runs about where the outside magenta edge of your 1 min fantail might be.
But the orange line would also be about where your 5 min base line would be if you could see it on the same chart.

Now say the red line is about where the outside magenta line of the 5 min fantail would be.

OK now look at where that Magenta line is, way outside, its a base line from a 16 minute chart, long range trading stuff. Way past 5 min stuff.

Look at the way the faster lines weave about the slowest magenta line.

Sometimes the price breaks out, and then there is no way of predicting how far it will go. When that happens, its magenta that has to catch up to all the faster lines. But on the occasions when the price turns back inwards towards the slowest magenta line, then magenta gives you a target price for the eventual meeting of all those lines.

You will see in there also an icon trade which breaks my "rule" about trading the outswing back towards the magenta "centre" line.

There is a trading path there that I can see but can't really explain.

I can't promise to deliver on this stuff, it is just stuff that might go somewhere, might go nowhere. Vague ideas.