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Re: Market Outlook

"Our nice rally was killed by the Ackerman release of a letter showing the bond insurers having more exposure than previously stated."

This is what I heard from another site. No source was given though.

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Re: Market Outlook

We'll see what happens over the next few days. I think long term though these rate cuts are going to help the banks a lot. Short term I'm still undecided.

Whatever happens the Fed can keep cutting rates. Gotta love it when you're long gold and short the USD

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I shorted the market this morning for a swing trade. Bought the DOG at 63.78. Stop at 61.95, which is below the 1/30 low in the case of DOG, which corresponds with the 1/30 high on the DOW.

The factors which made me think the market most likely moving down in the daily time frame:

1. Market closed lower yesterday even though fed cut rates .50%. Tells me there is lack of confidence for the bulls.
2. Majority of recent economic data have been bearish.
3. Markets have been in a down trend.
4. We are close to resistance here, which failed to break yesterday, which in my view was the most likely time for it to break.
5. The majority of analysts that I heard on Bloomberg are bearish.
6. Infalation concerns might weaken the Fed's willingness to cut rates.

The factors, or arguments that I'm considering that are against my position:

1. The fed has alot of power to move the market, and he has shown willingness to help the market.
2. We might still test the 13000 pivot before going down. So my current position would be stopped out in that scenario.
3. Right now I see the market has closed the gap and has moved higher.
3. Can't think of any more arguments, but if you have something to add please feel free.

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Re: Market Outlook

Bears are not convinced by the recent Market action.
I am neither Bull nor Bear @ this point.
Time will tell.

Doug Kass, founder of Seabreeze Partners, suggests buying the weakness that would possibly result from only a 25 basis-point cut and selling the strength that would possibly result from a 50 basis-point cut. "If there were a limited or opposite response to my two scenarios, I would do nothing,” Kass says.

Prudent Bear Fund manager David Tice expects the Dow will fall another 5,000 points and stocks will fall by as much as 60 percent. "Everyone has patted the Federal Reserve on the back for avoiding recession,” Tice told the San Francisco Chronicle. "The problem is, we should have taken mini-recessions along the way.”

Even gloomier, Euro Pacific Capital’s Peter Schiff believes that the new financial capitals will be in Asia, the Middle East, and Europe.

"New York will certainly still have a role to play, but much like Detroit, it will be but a shadow of its former self,” Schiff says.

Resolution to the bottom of the market being reached
appears to be unresolved.
Today may have just been a YAHOO burst.
Next week should give a a clue.

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Re: Market Outlook

So Abe, now that you've been stopped out of this trade what have you learned?

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Nothing new. Just try your best.

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Hello. Today we had the rate cut, which was in line with market expectations. Price spiked up, but came down and closed in the red. Looks to me like a very bearish sign. Many of the guests on CNBC, and Bloomberg (which I've been watching more recently) had predicted in recent days that the market is looking bearish for the long term and it will go lower than the 1/22 lows, rate cut or not. Typically, from what I have seen on rate cut days (though I've only studied the markets for some months only) price goes one way or another. Seeing price action today tells me that the market is not feeling confident.

I would like to know what you all think. What is your outlook? Would you go short here on the longer time frame, or wait for the 1/22 low to break before going short?

In my opinion, after seeing price action today, combined with hearing many analysts predict that market is going lower, I might go short tomorrow on a daily time frame trade.
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Nothing new. Just try your best.
If you traded your plan then who cares of the outcome.
One trade won't define your net profitability over time...though I'm sure you know this already.

Get ready to take some money from Cramer viewers, I guess he said it's time to go "all in" on the market.

The short side has an appeal to me, I don't believe they could have V bottomed that sharp a drop and stopped the fear regardless of how much the big boys threw in to support the market. We need a W bottom at least IMO. 13,000-13,300 range could prove formidable and need some more basing to break that also...assuming somehow we don't break down to test the lows. I'd love to see some divergence down low to back my overall mid term bullish view.

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If you traded your plan then who cares of the outcome.
One trade won't define your net profitability over time...though I'm sure you know this already.

Get ready to take some money from Cramer viewers, I guess he said it's time to go "all in" on the market.

The short side has an appeal to me, I don't believe they could have V bottomed that sharp a drop and stopped the fear regardless of how much the big boys threw in to support the market. We need a W bottom at least IMO. 13,000-13,300 range could prove formidable and need some more basing to break that also...assuming somehow we don't break down to test the lows. I'd love to see some divergence down low to back my overall mid term bullish view.

Good luck fellas
Thanks guys. I also don't see much strength in this market. I don't mean to sound like I know it all. After all, I have only been trading for some months. But for what it's worth, that is still my view. But for now I'm staying away from trading. Or rather, taking a more conservative approach. Need some time to sit on the sidelines and do what a trader from Market Wizards said: just sit around until there is money just sitting there waiting to pick up.

So that is my plan right now. Don't see much strenth in the market, but I'm not confident enough to make any moves right now or short at the next resistence, on a swing trade. I may do some day trades if I see a good opportunity.

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Re: Market Outlook

The only thing I would recommend is wait until you get a better risk/reward setup before going short or long. But if this setup was in your trading plan and you took the trade, then that's what matters. Each individual trade is irrellevent over the course of your career.

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